Looks like ELC is gone

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Anonymous wrote:PTA meeting tonight and I plan to ask when/how they will get family feedback about the 2 ELA modeled for next year’s 5th grade (because my kid is in 4th). I expect a vague non-answer, but at least it will put a bug in other parent’s ears a out what is coming

How did it go at the PTA meeting? Did you Delegate share information about this from the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted Ed committee?

What is the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted committee doing on this? Sounds like you are looped in, can you share?

They are the ones that fought to get ELC in all schools, and usually are on in the loop on where things like this stand. Ask you PTA Delegate or President.

I know they used to be active on this in the past but I have heard zero from them on it this year, no one's even brought it up in the gifted committee Facebook group I don't think. Doesn't sound like anyone there cares anymore...

I specifically remember them putting out a call for elementary school parents last year on this issue, and as far as I could tell from the post, no one volunteered.

Like everything else, the gifted Ed committee is made up of volunteers. If this issue is important to you personally, you can be one of those volunteers. In fact, I would strongly recommend that early elementary parents in particular get up to speed and active in the hopes of changing the situation in time for their kids.

Where was this call? I can’t go to our school’s PTA meetings because they are always on the same night of the week that I have a conflict. I am exactly the type of parent who would be all over this and I do not remember seeing this at all. I would be happy to devote time and energy if it actually makes a difference. We have people who are on the like SN committee for example but they just seem to listen and report back.

Have you reached out to volunteer? If not, you should.

To my local PTA, yes, but they don’t do anything meaningful related to actual school activities, just fun community things. I am very interested in what “call” was put out to parents since I clearly missed it.

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Anonymous wrote:PTA meeting tonight and I plan to ask when/how they will get family feedback about the 2 ELA modeled for next year’s 5th grade (because my kid is in 4th). I expect a vague non-answer, but at least it will put a bug in other parent’s ears a out what is coming

How did it go at the PTA meeting? Did you Delegate share information about this from the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted Ed committee?

What is the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted committee doing on this? Sounds like you are looped in, can you share?

They are the ones that fought to get ELC in all schools, and usually are on in the loop on where things like this stand. Ask you PTA Delegate or President.

I know they used to be active on this in the past but I have heard zero from them on it this year, no one's even brought it up in the gifted committee Facebook group I don't think. Doesn't sound like anyone there cares anymore...

I specifically remember them putting out a call for elementary school parents last year on this issue, and as far as I could tell from the post, no one volunteered.

Like everything else, the gifted Ed committee is made up of volunteers. If this issue is important to you personally, you can be one of those volunteers. In fact, I would strongly recommend that early elementary parents in particular get up to speed and active in the hopes of changing the situation in time for their kids.

Where was this call? I can’t go to our school’s PTA meetings because they are always on the same night of the week that I have a conflict. I am exactly the type of parent who would be all over this and I do not remember seeing this at all. I would be happy to devote time and energy if it actually makes a difference. We have people who are on the like SN committee for example but they just seem to listen and report back.

Have you reached out to your PTA and let them know they should send out info to the entire school community as everyone might not make the meeting? Have you considered running for your PTA’s be or to be the Delegate? Have you reached out to your schools Gifted Liaison (every ES and MS) is supposed to have one?

The BOE was pretty upset about the amount of n parents and diversity of those who were included in the eval for Secondary ELA curriculum. Maybe reach out to you district representatives and let them know what ways Central and PTAs can use to reach more people

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Anonymous wrote:PTA meeting tonight and I plan to ask when/how they will get family feedback about the 2 ELA modeled for next year’s 5th grade (because my kid is in 4th). I expect a vague non-answer, but at least it will put a bug in other parent’s ears a out what is coming

How did it go at the PTA meeting? Did you Delegate share information about this from the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted Ed committee?

What is the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted committee doing on this? Sounds like you are looped in, can you share?

They are the ones that fought to get ELC in all schools, and usually are on in the loop on where things like this stand. Ask you PTA Delegate or President.

I know they used to be active on this in the past but I have heard zero from them on it this year, no one's even brought it up in the gifted committee Facebook group I don't think. Doesn't sound like anyone there cares anymore...

I specifically remember them putting out a call for elementary school parents last year on this issue, and as far as I could tell from the post, no one volunteered.

Like everything else, the gifted Ed committee is made up of volunteers. If this issue is important to you personally, you can be one of those volunteers. In fact, I would strongly recommend that early elementary parents in particular get up to speed and active in the hopes of changing the situation in time for their kids.

Where was this call? I can’t go to our school’s PTA meetings because they are always on the same night of the week that I have a conflict. I am exactly the type of parent who would be all over this and I do not remember seeing this at all. I would be happy to devote time and energy if it actually makes a difference. We have people who are on the like SN committee for example but they just seem to listen and report back.

Have you reached out to volunteer? If not, you should.

To my local PTA, yes, but they don’t do anything meaningful related to actual school activities, just fun community things. I am very interested in what “call” was put out to parents since I clearly missed it.

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Anonymous wrote:PTA meeting tonight and I plan to ask when/how they will get family feedback about the 2 ELA modeled for next year’s 5th grade (because my kid is in 4th). I expect a vague non-answer, but at least it will put a bug in other parent’s ears a out what is coming

How did it go at the PTA meeting? Did you Delegate share information about this from the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted Ed committee?

What is the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted committee doing on this? Sounds like you are looped in, can you share?

They are the ones that fought to get ELC in all schools, and usually are on in the loop on where things like this stand. Ask you PTA Delegate or President.

I know they used to be active on this in the past but I have heard zero from them on it this year, no one's even brought it up in the gifted committee Facebook group I don't think. Doesn't sound like anyone there cares anymore...

I specifically remember them putting out a call for elementary school parents last year on this issue, and as far as I could tell from the post, no one volunteered.

Like everything else, the gifted Ed committee is made up of volunteers. If this issue is important to you personally, you can be one of those volunteers. In fact, I would strongly recommend that early elementary parents in particular get up to speed and active in the hopes of changing the situation in time for their kids.

Where was this call? I can’t go to our school’s PTA meetings because they are always on the same night of the week that I have a conflict. I am exactly the type of parent who would be all over this and I do not remember seeing this at all. I would be happy to devote time and energy if it actually makes a difference. We have people who are on the like SN committee for example but they just seem to listen and report back.

Have you reached out to your PTA and let them know they should send out info to the entire school community as everyone might not make the meeting? Have you considered running for your PTA’s be or to be the Delegate? Have you reached out to your schools Gifted Liaison (every ES and MS) is supposed to have one?

The BOE was pretty upset about the amount of n parents and diversity of those who were included in the eval for Secondary ELA curriculum. Maybe reach out to you district representatives and let them know what ways Central and PTAs can use to reach more people

Thank you I signed up for the gifted listserve, so maybe that will be helpful. Our PTA meetings have very detailed minutes but they usually just recap the events that happened and are upcoming and go through the budget.

What is a gifted liaison? Is that a PTA position or through the school?

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Anonymous wrote:PTA meeting tonight and I plan to ask when/how they will get family feedback about the 2 ELA modeled for next year’s 5th grade (because my kid is in 4th). I expect a vague non-answer, but at least it will put a bug in other parent’s ears a out what is coming

How did it go at the PTA meeting? Did you Delegate share information about this from the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted Ed committee?

What is the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted committee doing on this? Sounds like you are looped in, can you share?

They are the ones that fought to get ELC in all schools, and usually are on in the loop on where things like this stand. Ask you PTA Delegate or President.

I know they used to be active on this in the past but I have heard zero from them on it this year, no one's even brought it up in the gifted committee Facebook group I don't think. Doesn't sound like anyone there cares anymore...

I specifically remember them putting out a call for elementary school parents last year on this issue, and as far as I could tell from the post, no one volunteered.

Like everything else, the gifted Ed committee is made up of volunteers. If this issue is important to you personally, you can be one of those volunteers. In fact, I would strongly recommend that early elementary parents in particular get up to speed and active in the hopes of changing the situation in time for their kids.

I just checked the MCCPTA gifted Facebook group and there is nothing like this. No real discussion of ELC at all since 2023.

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Anonymous wrote:PTA meeting tonight and I plan to ask when/how they will get family feedback about the 2 ELA modeled for next year’s 5th grade (because my kid is in 4th). I expect a vague non-answer, but at least it will put a bug in other parent’s ears a out what is coming

How did it go at the PTA meeting? Did you Delegate share information about this from the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted Ed committee?

What is the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted committee doing on this? Sounds like you are looped in, can you share?

They are the ones that fought to get ELC in all schools, and usually are on in the loop on where things like this stand. Ask you PTA Delegate or President.

I know they used to be active on this in the past but I have heard zero from them on it this year, no one's even brought it up in the gifted committee Facebook group I don't think. Doesn't sound like anyone there cares anymore...

I specifically remember them putting out a call for elementary school parents last year on this issue, and as far as I could tell from the post, no one volunteered.

Like everything else, the gifted Ed committee is made up of volunteers. If this issue is important to you personally, you can be one of those volunteers. In fact, I would strongly recommend that early elementary parents in particular get up to speed and active in the hopes of changing the situation in time for their kids.

I just checked the MCCPTA gifted Facebook group and there is nothing like this. No real discussion of ELC at all since 2023.

Then it sounds like a fantastic way for you to volunteer and get involved!

I will guarantee you this — complaining here will get you nowhere.

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Anonymous wrote:PTA meeting tonight and I plan to ask when/how they will get family feedback about the 2 ELA modeled for next year’s 5th grade (because my kid is in 4th). I expect a vague non-answer, but at least it will put a bug in other parent’s ears a out what is coming

How did it go at the PTA meeting? Did you Delegate share information about this from the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted Ed committee?

What is the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted committee doing on this? Sounds like you are looped in, can you share?

They are the ones that fought to get ELC in all schools, and usually are on in the loop on where things like this stand. Ask you PTA Delegate or President.

I know they used to be active on this in the past but I have heard zero from them on it this year, no one's even brought it up in the gifted committee Facebook group I don't think. Doesn't sound like anyone there cares anymore...

I specifically remember them putting out a call for elementary school parents last year on this issue, and as far as I could tell from the post, no one volunteered.

Like everything else, the gifted Ed committee is made up of volunteers. If this issue is important to you personally, you can be one of those volunteers. In fact, I would strongly recommend that early elementary parents in particular get up to speed and active in the hopes of changing the situation in time for their kids.

Where was this call? I can’t go to our school’s PTA meetings because they are always on the same night of the week that I have a conflict. I am exactly the type of parent who would be all over this and I do not remember seeing this at all. I would be happy to devote time and energy if it actually makes a difference. We have people who are on the like SN committee for example but they just seem to listen and report back.

Have you reached out to your PTA and let them know they should send out info to the entire school community as everyone might not make the meeting? Have you considered running for your PTA’s be or to be the Delegate? Have you reached out to your schools Gifted Liaison (every ES and MS) is supposed to have one?

The BOE was pretty upset about the amount of n parents and diversity of those who were included in the eval for Secondary ELA curriculum. Maybe reach out to you district representatives and let them know what ways Central and PTAs can use to reach more people

Thank you I signed up for the gifted listserve, so maybe that will be helpful. Our PTA meetings have very detailed minutes but they usually just recap the events that happened and are upcoming and go through the budget.

What is a gifted liaison? Is that a PTA position or through the school?

Each PTA is supposed to have a gifted liaison (or two) to serve as a resource for the school community.

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This is the link to the gifted group: https://mccpta.groups.io/g/gifted-education

I think the gifted child group someone linked to above is an old one. That’s not the name of the committee anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:PTA meeting tonight and I plan to ask when/how they will get family feedback about the 2 ELA modeled for next year’s 5th grade (because my kid is in 4th). I expect a vague non-answer, but at least it will put a bug in other parent’s ears a out what is coming

How did it go at the PTA meeting? Did you Delegate share information about this from the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted Ed committee?

What is the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted committee doing on this? Sounds like you are looped in, can you share?

They are the ones that fought to get ELC in all schools, and usually are on in the loop on where things like this stand. Ask you PTA Delegate or President.

I know they used to be active on this in the past but I have heard zero from them on it this year, no one's even brought it up in the gifted committee Facebook group I don't think. Doesn't sound like anyone there cares anymore...

I specifically remember them putting out a call for elementary school parents last year on this issue, and as far as I could tell from the post, no one volunteered.

Like everything else, the gifted Ed committee is made up of volunteers. If this issue is important to you personally, you can be one of those volunteers. In fact, I would strongly recommend that early elementary parents in particular get up to speed and active in the hopes of changing the situation in time for their kids.

Where was this call? I can’t go to our school’s PTA meetings because they are always on the same night of the week that I have a conflict. I am exactly the type of parent who would be all over this and I do not remember seeing this at all. I would be happy to devote time and energy if it actually makes a difference. We have people who are on the like SN committee for example but they just seem to listen and report back.

Have you reached out to your PTA and let them know they should send out info to the entire school community as everyone might not make the meeting? Have you considered running for your PTA’s be or to be the Delegate? Have you reached out to your schools Gifted Liaison (every ES and MS) is supposed to have one?

The BOE was pretty upset about the amount of n parents and diversity of those who were included in the eval for Secondary ELA curriculum. Maybe reach out to you district representatives and let them know what ways Central and PTAs can use to reach more people

Thank you I signed up for the gifted listserve, so maybe that will be helpful. Our PTA meetings have very detailed minutes but they usually just recap the events that happened and are upcoming and go through the budget.

What is a gifted liaison? Is that a PTA position or through the school?

Each PTA is supposed to have a gifted liaison (or two) to serve as a resource for the school community.

Yes but that is going to be PTA dependent. There is ( or should be) a school designated Gifted Specialist.

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Anonymous wrote:Look for yourself. You’ll see grades 3-5 have student readers which look like excerpts from various science and social studies textbooks. We never see actual books come home or any information about what chapter books they are actually reading for the curriculum ( Eva use they aren’t).

https://www.coreknowledge.org/free-resource/ckla-ancillary-materials-fourth-grade/

Your link is to the wrong curriculum, MCPS is using Amplify CKLA which is here: https://amplify.com/programs/amplify-core-knowledge-language-arts/whats-included-3-5/

4th grade does House on Mango Street and 5th grade does Don Quixote. Not enough fiction, I agree, but there is some there.

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Anonymous wrote:PTA meeting tonight and I plan to ask when/how they will get family feedback about the 2 ELA modeled for next year’s 5th grade (because my kid is in 4th). I expect a vague non-answer, but at least it will put a bug in other parent’s ears a out what is coming

How did it go at the PTA meeting? Did you Delegate share information about this from the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted Ed committee?

What is the MCCPTA curriculum committee and gifted committee doing on this? Sounds like you are looped in, can you share?

They are the ones that fought to get ELC in all schools, and usually are on in the loop on where things like this stand. Ask you PTA Delegate or President.

I know they used to be active on this in the past but I have heard zero from them on it this year, no one's even brought it up in the gifted committee Facebook group I don't think. Doesn't sound like anyone there cares anymore...

I specifically remember them putting out a call for elementary school parents last year on this issue, and as far as I could tell from the post, no one volunteered.

Like everything else, the gifted Ed committee is made up of volunteers. If this issue is important to you personally, you can be one of those volunteers. In fact, I would strongly recommend that early elementary parents in particular get up to speed and active in the hopes of changing the situation in time for their kids.

Where was this call? I can’t go to our school’s PTA meetings because they are always on the same night of the week that I have a conflict. I am exactly the type of parent who would be all over this and I do not remember seeing this at all. I would be happy to devote time and energy if it actually makes a difference. We have people who are on the like SN committee for example but they just seem to listen and report back.

Have you reached out to your PTA and let them know they should send out info to the entire school community as everyone might not make the meeting? Have you considered running for your PTA’s be or to be the Delegate? Have you reached out to your schools Gifted Liaison (every ES and MS) is supposed to have one?

The BOE was pretty upset about the amount of n parents and diversity of those who were included in the eval for Secondary ELA curriculum. Maybe reach out to you district representatives and let them know what ways Central and PTAs can use to reach more people

Thank you I signed up for the gifted listserve, so maybe that will be helpful. Our PTA meetings have very detailed minutes but they usually just recap the events that happened and are upcoming and go through the budget.

What is a gifted liaison? Is that a PTA position or through the school?

Each PTA is supposed to have a gifted liaison (or two) to serve as a resource for the school community.

Yes but that is going to be PTA dependent. There is ( or should be) a school designated Gifted Specialist.

The liaison is usually the AP, but for ELA I would turn to the reading specialist first.

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I think the elimination of ELC came as a surprise to everyone, including the MCCPTA gifted committee, who had pushed very hard to get ELC rolled out in every single ES in the county.

I do think a new group of parents need to step up and start advocating on this issue. It wouldn't even be that hard because offering ELC should be cost neutral - you have the same number of teachers and students, you just cohort the highly able learners for reading in 4th and 5th grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look for yourself. You’ll see grades 3-5 have student readers which look like excerpts from various science and social studies textbooks. We never see actual books come home or any information about what chapter books they are actually reading for the curriculum ( Eva use they aren’t).

https://www.coreknowledge.org/free-resource/ckla-ancillary-materials-fourth-grade/

I doubt you have kids in MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the elimination of ELC came as a surprise to everyone, including the MCCPTA gifted committee, who had pushed very hard to get ELC rolled out in every single ES in the county.

I do think a new group of parents need to step up and start advocating on this issue. It wouldn't even be that hard because offering ELC should be cost neutral - you have the same number of teachers and students, you just cohort the highly able learners for reading in 4th and 5th grades.

I was one of the people who previously sent an email to our principal urging to roll out of ELC at our elementary school. I would like to ask the parents whose children have attended ELC for the past years: Has ELC truly been beneficial for gifted children who were not placed CES? While I'm uncertain about other aspects, the MAP-R test, which is a measurable data point, my child's score decreased after the 3rd grade spring test and did not improve throughout 4th and 5th grades. It only went back up in the final 5th grade spring test. So I wouldn't feel any regret even if my other younger child does not take ELC classes in the future. Furthermore, I have been satisfied with the CKLA curriculum I've seen so far, and the material for 4th and 5th grades appears sufficiently challenging. As long as they offer separate advanced level classes using CKLA, I'm fine with it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the elimination of ELC came as a surprise to everyone, including the MCCPTA gifted committee, who had pushed very hard to get ELC rolled out in every single ES in the county.

I do think a new group of parents need to step up and start advocating on this issue. It wouldn't even be that hard because offering ELC should be cost neutral - you have the same number of teachers and students, you just cohort the highly able learners for reading in 4th and 5th grades.

I was one of the people who previously sent an email to our principal urging to roll out of ELC at our elementary school. I would like to ask the parents whose children have attended ELC for the past years: Has ELC truly been beneficial for gifted children who were not placed CES? While I'm uncertain about other aspects, the MAP-R test, which is a measurable data point, my child's score decreased after the 3rd grade spring test and did not improve throughout 4th and 5th grades. It only went back up in the final 5th grade spring test. So I wouldn't feel any regret even if my other younger child does not take ELC classes in the future. Furthermore, I have been satisfied with the CKLA curriculum I've seen so far, and the material for 4th and 5th grades appears sufficiently challenging. As long as they offer separate advanced level classes using CKLA, I'm fine with it.

Agre with this. It is the cohorting that matters. I actually don't think ELC material was great. MCPS came up with it on its own--we know they are not good curriculum writers. Using CKLA and moving at a faster pace to cover more content in a cohorted class sounds better to me.