UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded

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That "still taking applications" list from May had some Virginia colleges on it. If you want to stay in state, you can. Everyone can't and shouldn't go to three colleges. Get over the name and look at the realistic options in your backyard.

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Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.

So then guaranteed admission for 4.0 and above with a 1250 and above. To the top 3.

This was obviously posted by the same mom who thinks her kid deserves to transfer to UVA because he has a 4.2 and a 1280 (or something like that). In my kids high School alone, there were probably 100 kids who fell into the 4.0 and 1250. You are ABSOLUTELY crazy OP if you think that deserves Automatic admission to the states best schools. Those stats are AVERAGE at best.

Right, there would not be enough space for everyone at the "top schools" if these were the requirements. Why is OP insisting that her kid get into these specific schools when there are other schools for which these stats would be a great match? Why does you kid need to be at a "top school"?

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Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.

Michigan does a much better job educating the top students in its state. Too bad the flagship of a state the size of VA can’t.

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Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.

Michigan does a much better job educating the top students in its state. Too bad the flagship of a state the size of VA can’t.

A 1280 SAT is not a top student. Good grief.

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Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.

Michigan does a much better job educating the top students in its state. Too bad the flagship of a state the size of VA can’t.

A 1280 SAT is not a top student. Good grief.

+1
It’s an average level SAT not a “top” one.

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Anonymous wrote:Go to Christopher Newport, VCU. Go to cc & transfer. Entitlement to get into a “good” school.

There will be a reckoning and a ground swell in support of free transferring between any and all VA colleges. Anyone to any campus anytime. No essays, no subjective factors. Anyone will be able to transfer into UVa, WM, from Cnu, Gmu, Odu, etc. No more exclusion by these schools.

ROFLMAO

Dumb people wanting things meant for smart people.

I want to be a MLB shortstop. There will be a reckoning. No more exclusions from these teams.

I don't know if you're cut out for college never mind the flagship college in the state.

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Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.

So then guaranteed admission for 4.0 and above with a 1250 and above. To the top 3.

ROFLMAO. Let me guess your kids got a 4.1 and a 1260 on their SAT.

The top 3 are not interchangeable. The fact that you think they are even remotely interchangeable tells e you really only want prestige that you didn't earn.

They also have very different standards.
A kid with a 1450 SAT and 4.3 GPA from TJ will get rejected from UVA; they will get accepted to WM; they will get rejected from VT (yield protection)

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Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.

So then guaranteed admission for 4.0 and above with a 1250 and above. To the top 3.

So, to paraphrase, you think that an average student (1250 -1400 are average SAT scores in this area and I'd say 4.0 -4.2 is an average GPA) should be guaranteed admission into top state schools? Or that these schools should be closed or expanded (you are all over the place and I can see why your kid is so average since you can't seem to articulate clearly)? With a little bit of intelligence you would be able to research the amount of state funding these schools receive as well as the impact of your supposed plan instead of just repeating your "demands". Give me a freaking break. I don't think your kid can even get into JMU or GMU, so you'd better set your sights lower, but there are plenty of state schools from which to choose.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps raise tuition for the three flagship to double for in state students vs. the lessor schools.

Really? You want to reduce demand by pricing students out of the market? For a state school?

A few states price their flagship higher than the second tier schools and community colleges. For folks on financial aid it is meaningless. But keeps sharp elbowed rich folks looking at OOS options or paying fair share.

Why is University of Virginia and UNC at Chapel Hill so heavily subsidized for instate millionaires?

You really should educate yourself before posting. 30 seconds on wiki would have told you that UVA negotiated with the Commonwealth to start self-funding itself about 10-12 years ago in exchange for autonomy. It was so successful at self-management that the endowment ballooned and the legislature tried to regain control but failed. Today, UVA receives less than 6% of its entire budget from the Commonwealth. There is no "heavy subsidization".

As for providing education for "instate millionaires" I guess you don't understand how FAFSA (a federal financial aid program works); how UVA is one of the few publics that participates with Questbridge; that UVA actively seeks out potential Pell Grant recipients; that UVA runs UVA-Wise, which focuses on rural low-income students; that the current President, James Ryan, started a new program about three years ago called Blue Ridge Scholars which seeks out low-income students in the rural parts of Virginia which normally don't send many students to UVA, etc. The Board is always looking for ways to further reach out to low-income families. I believe it started a guarantee program similar to Harvard's where anyone with a HHI of less than say $120 (I woukd have to look it up
for the precise figure) attends free.

What more do you want out of a public? It's self-funding. The cost is almost negligible to the taxpayer. UVA funds the best hospital in the state and actively seeks out both URM and low-income students, all while self-financing. If you thinking legacy preference, that was made illegal last summer

The "millionaires" I know send their kids to Ivies or $93k a year SLACs because they can, not to UVA

Geez. UVA is not self-funding. If you took away the state dunding in state tuition would go to private school levels. There would be a huge impact to capital projects. UVA gets much more from the state on a per in state stdent basis than schools like GMU and JMU. Are you going to claim they are autonomous and self-funding as well?

If UVA was a private school, they would not have to take 66% of their students from in state.

I support keeping UVA a state university but UVA, Michigan, Berkeley, UCLA, UNC, Austin and a few other public would all be financially better off if they were private.

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Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.

So then guaranteed admission for 4.0 and above with a 1250 and above. To the top 3.

This was obviously posted by the same mom who thinks her kid deserves to transfer to UVA because he has a 4.2 and a 1280 (or something like that). In my kids high School alone, there were probably 100 kids who fell into the 4.0 and 1250. You are ABSOLUTELY crazy OP if you think that deserves Automatic admission to the states best schools. Those stats are AVERAGE at best.

Right, there would not be enough space for everyone at the "top schools" if these were the requirements. Why is OP insisting that her kid get into these specific schools when there are other schools for which these stats would be a great match? Why does you kid need to be at a "top school"?

You know why.
I'm sure you know people like this.
It's a lifetime of privilege and getting stuff just by wanting it.

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Anonymous wrote:Do that to the state’s best schools, and they won’t be the best for long. OP, you want the school’s reputation without the school’s admission and course rigor. Those things are incompatible. If your kid can’t get into these schools, they belong at a lower-ranked VA school. As others have said, there is a VA state school for everyone. You just need to accept that the schools you covet are not an academic match for your kid.

+ 1.

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Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.

Michigan does a much better job educating the top students in its state. Too bad the flagship of a state the size of VA can’t.

Have you been to UVA? Have a kid there? Michigan has just under 34K undergraduates to UVA's 17K. UVA is bursting at the gills and the city can't handle it either. Where would they build? They would have to displace city blocks (a large minority population by the way) east of Main between 14th to 10th. People that say it should grow to the size of schools like Michigan, UCLA, and Tech are delusional.

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

OP doesn’t think they are good enough for her precious.

She can’t come to terms with the reality her precious wasn’t good enough for the schools.

Yet somehow this is the schools’ fault.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia has a very good tier of schools like GMU, JMU, VCU under those three schools. They’re all very good.

You don’t seem to understand OP. They seem to think they are entitled to a certain level of prestige.

I think it’s more the case that since her child doesn’t have the prestige she doesn’t think anyone else should have it either

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

There is too much hierarchy. Alternatively, they could combine all of the universities (UVa, VTech, William and Mary, Gmu, Jmu, Cnu, Longwood) into one university and have a lottery for all who are accepted to decide who goes to which campus.

OMG, no. Not every kid is up for the rigor of the most selective of these schools.