UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

There is too much hierarchy. Alternatively, they could combine all of the universities (UVa, VTech, William and Mary, Gmu, Jmu, Cnu, Longwood) into one university and have a lottery for all who are accepted to decide who goes to which campus.

This wouldn’t make sense because location does matter when it comes to universities. If someone want to stay local or work closely to certain industries it wouldn’t work.

Free transferring between all campuses. CNU students can transfer to UVA & W&M and so can Longwood students. Free transferring between campuses once you're admitted to the system.

That just waters down the quality of the top schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.

+1. As a Maryland resident, I’m envious of Virginia’s state colleges.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.

Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.

Taxes barely contribute to W&M and UVA's budgets. At that point they would be better off going private, out of state students help maintain their budgets.

+1
UVA: 12%
W&M: 11%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

There is too much hierarchy. Alternatively, they could combine all of the universities (UVa, VTech, William and Mary, Gmu, Jmu, Cnu, Longwood) into one university and have a lottery for all who are accepted to decide who goes to which campus.

Maybe make it more like NC. UVA separate but then Virginia U - GMU campus, VAU - Longwood campus etc.

Just because NC operates like that doesn’t mean there isn’t a hierarchy. UNC and NC State are held in a higher regard than all of the regional schools, and the regional schools are perfectly fine just like ODU and Longwood are perfectly fine universities. VCU isn’t suddenly going to have some upgraded status if you call it UVA-Richmond

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

There is too much hierarchy. Alternatively, they could combine all of the universities (UVa, VTech, William and Mary, Gmu, Jmu, Cnu, Longwood) into one university and have a lottery for all who are accepted to decide who goes to which campus.

Maybe make it more like NC. UVA separate but then Virginia U - GMU campus, VAU - Longwood campus etc.

Just because NC operates like that doesn’t mean there isn’t a hierarchy. UNC and NC State are held in a higher regard than all of the regional schools, and the regional schools are perfectly fine just like ODU and Longwood are perfectly fine universities. VCU isn’t suddenly going to have some upgraded status if you call it UVA-Richmond

Exactly. Just as UC Merced isn't as highly regarded as UCLA despite both being UCs.

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I don’t think that makes sense OP-and I say this as a parent of above average but not stellar kids who probably won’t get into these schools. I just wish these state schools were more affordable for parents not making DCUM levels of money. In state VA schools for 2 kids can be upwards of 360k. It’s craziness.

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The history is that both ODU and CNU previously were part of W&M.

GMU previously was part of UVA. UVA Wise still exists - a bit surprising OP's DC did not apply there. UMW was originally the women's college counterpart to UVA (which was almost only men until around 1970).

I have been told that both Radford and JMU were founded as Teachers Colleges way back when.

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Anonymous wrote:The history is that both ODU and CNU previously were part of W&M.

GMU previously was part of UVA. UVA Wise still exists - a bit surprising OP's DC did not apply there. UMW was originally the women's college counterpart to UVA (which was almost only men until around 1970).

I have been told that both Radford and JMU were founded as Teachers Colleges way back when.

UVA must re-absorb GMU and UMW. There must be free transferring between these campuses. W&M must re-absorb ODU and CNU. There must also be free transferring between these. This has to happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that makes sense OP-and I say this as a parent of above average but not stellar kids who probably won’t get into these schools. I just wish these state schools were more affordable for parents not making DCUM levels of money. In state VA schools for 2 kids can be upwards of 360k. It’s craziness.

Both UVA and W&M meet 100% of needs in state

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The history is that both ODU and CNU previously were part of W&M.

GMU previously was part of UVA. UVA Wise still exists - a bit surprising OP's DC did not apply there. UMW was originally the women's college counterpart to UVA (which was almost only men until around 1970).

I have been told that both Radford and JMU were founded as Teachers Colleges way back when.

UVA must re-absorb GMU and UMW. There must be free transferring between these campuses. W&M must re-absorb ODU and CNU. There must also be free transferring between these. This has to happen.

This is so dumb lol

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Anonymous wrote:DC applied to all three of these schools last cycle and will be trying again. These three schools are getting more competitive and out of reach for everyday people. I think each of them should be split up into multiple different schools that each have less competitive admissions or they should each double in size. Not just a 10% increase or 2% increase every year or whatever thing like that. They need to start construction NOW to build at least 2x the housing, classrooms, etc. to accommodate double the number of students and all new students should be required to come from Virginia. These admissions practices have gone way too far. As soon as admission rates hit below 50% for in-state applicants there should be mandatory student body expansions

EYE ROLL. They are not for "everyday" students. VT, the easiest of the 3, takes students who are a little above average at many good high schools in Virginia. These three are top in the state, akin to UNCH and NCSU. Or UCB and UCLA. Your student should find a place they fit where they can have a decent chance at top-half in their area of interest. Or work their butt off and try to transfer in, recognizing they will still likely be below average once they get there. Expanding just dilutes the talent and makes the professors have to water it down.

[Anonymous]

If it "has to happen", why are you arguing it here? Go speak to administration at the colleges and see what they say.

[Anonymous]

Didn’t UVA already do that? GMU and UMW used to be UVA branches. They still have UVA Wise.

[Anonymous]

Students can go to community college with an automatic transfer in if they meet the requirements. You student can do that as a way to go where they want.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think that makes sense OP-and I say this as a parent of above average but not stellar kids who probably won’t get into these schools. I just wish these state schools were more affordable for parents not making DCUM levels of money. In state VA schools for 2 kids can be upwards of 360k. It’s craziness.

Both UVA and W&M meet 100% of needs in state

There is a big gap between DCUM levels of money and however little a family makes to qualify for assistance.