UVa, William and Mary, Virginia Tech should be shut down and split up or expanded

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Anonymous wrote:DC applied to all three of these schools last cycle and will be trying again. These three schools are getting more competitive and out of reach for everyday people. I think each of them should be split up into multiple different schools that each have less competitive admissions or they should each double in size. Not just a 10% increase or 2% increase every year or whatever thing like that. They need to start construction NOW to build at least 2x the housing, classrooms, etc. to accommodate double the number of students and all new students should be required to come from Virginia. These admissions practices have gone way too far. As soon as admission rates hit below 50% for in-state applicants there should be mandatory student body expansions

Please do not share these opinions in real life. For your child's sake.

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VTs class of 2028 enrollment was 7k..that is HUGE and you want it to get bigger?

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Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.

Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.

The catch is that OOS tuition is a major line item in campus budgets. The struggle has been even more visible than this at Michigan for years. Plus increasing the OOS ratio enhances selectivity. Plus OOS tuition is far more reliable than tax-base support that can be reduced by legislatures. State appropriations are a constant fear at public universities. So it's tougher math than it looks.

Except that UVA receives less than 6% of its budget from the Commonwealth. It made this decision a decade ago so it could be autonomous.

This says it receives 11.65% from the state.

“The recently approved FY2024-2025 budget, though not recovering to the proportional levels of state support in FY2004-2005, did reflect a significant increase in state funding (11.65%), with the total state support of $282 million, reaching UVA's highest-ever dollar amount for state funding.”

https://uvafinance.virginia.edu/budget-management/budgeting#:~:text=The%20recently%20approved%20FY2024%2D2025,dollar%20amount%20for%20state%20funding.

Going private is not possible without great assistance in doing so from the state. Assuming a 4.7% payout from endowment, it would take an unrestricted endowment growth of over $6B to replace the State of Virginia funding of $282. Most of UVA's endowment, like other universities, is restricted. That means it "belongs" to a school or program per the donor's intent. About 50% of its endowment is medical + law + graduate business, and these schools do not have a single undergraduate. Furthermore, if UVA were to acquire its state owned assets, it would require another $8B.



UVA’s endowment is already $13.6 Billion.

It would take an ADDITIONAL unrestricted endowment of $6B to replace the state funds lost and and ADDITIONAL $8B minimum to purchase property from the state to go private.

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

There is too much hierarchy. Alternatively, they could combine all of the universities (UVa, VTech, William and Mary, Gmu, Jmu, Cnu, Longwood) into one university and have a lottery for all who are accepted to decide who goes to which campus.

this makes no sense. My kid specifically is going to virginia tech to become a vet. They have the best program in the state. why should he have to risk a lottery into JMU?

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Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.

Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.

Taxes barely contribute to W&M and UVA's budgets. At that point they would be better off going private, out of state students help maintain their budgets.

Yup---be careful what you wish for. Those OOS students help keep In-state tuition and costs lower

i never really understand this.

my kid got into university of Florida (gigantic public state school) and they sand soooo many Floridians to school for FREE via bright scholars. Bright Futures is Merit based as well. 92% of floridians get Bright future scholars awards (obviously not all full tuition) UF caps OOS and international combined at 15%. Their OOS tuition is the lowest in the nation. How does Florida keep public schools for floridians and manage NOT TO price gouge anyone?

People like to knock on Florida, but damn at least their students can get an educations without being buried in debt.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.

Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.

Taxes barely contribute to W&M and UVA's budgets. At that point they would be better off going private, out of state students help maintain their budgets.

Yup---be careful what you wish for. Those OOS students help keep In-state tuition and costs lower

i never really understand this.

my kid got into university of Florida (gigantic public state school) and they sand soooo many Floridians to school for FREE via bright scholars. Bright Futures is Merit based as well. 92% of floridians get Bright future scholars awards (obviously not all full tuition) UF caps OOS and international combined at 15%. Their OOS tuition is the lowest in the nation. How does Florida keep public schools for floridians and manage NOT TO price gouge anyone?

People like to knock on Florida, but damn at least their students can get an educations without being buried in debt.

State appropriations. Come on, how do people not understand this. It come up time and again here.

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Hope this works

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

There is too much hierarchy. Alternatively, they could combine all of the universities (UVa, VTech, William and Mary, Gmu, Jmu, Cnu, Longwood) into one university and have a lottery for all who are accepted to decide who goes to which campus.

this makes no sense. My kid specifically is going to virginia tech to become a vet. They have the best program in the state. why should he have to risk a lottery into JMU?

I think VT has the only Veterinary program in VA…could be wrong though.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.

Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.

Taxes barely contribute to W&M and UVA's budgets. At that point they would be better off going private, out of state students help maintain their budgets.

Yup---be careful what you wish for. Those OOS students help keep In-state tuition and costs lower

i never really understand this.

my kid got into university of Florida (gigantic public state school) and they sand soooo many Floridians to school for FREE via bright scholars. Bright Futures is Merit based as well. 92% of floridians get Bright future scholars awards (obviously not all full tuition) UF caps OOS and international combined at 15%. Their OOS tuition is the lowest in the nation. How does Florida keep public schools for floridians and manage NOT TO price gouge anyone?

People like to knock on Florida, but damn at least their students can get an educations without being buried in debt.

State appropriations. Come on, how do people not understand this. It come up time and again here.

This. It literally is math. The Commonwealth does not spend a lot of taxpayer dollars on public universities compared with many other states. That means tuition is higher. It also means more pressure on universities to have full-pay OOS students. As the graph PP posted shows, Virginia is below the US average in spending on public universities.

The agreement of the Commonwealth with these 3 publics to have roughly 2/3rds in-state ugrad students is at least 50 years old, so it is not a new development. Everyone except OP, including the elected legislature, is fine with the current arrangement. If someone wants some different outcome, the right first step is to talk with one’s elected representatives about what one wants. DCUM cannot change anything.

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Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.

+1. An often overlooked point
Michigan does a much better job educating the top students in its state. Too bad the flagship of a state the size of VA can’t.

Have you been to UVA? Have a kid there? Michigan has just under 34K undergraduates to UVA's 17K. UVA is bursting at the gills and the city can't handle it either. Where would they build? They would have to displace city blocks (a large minority population by the way) east of Main between 14th to 10th. People that say it should grow to the size of schools like Michigan, UCLA, and Tech are delusional.

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That doesn’t change the fact that UVA doesn’t serve its population very well. If you can’t grow, you can certainly adjust the percentage of instate students upward.

You and the others who say UVA is not growing are wrong. Please google University of Virginia Foundation. Seven professionals spend their days purchasing billions of dollars of real estate for future use of the school, like the new data center; the Fontaine development (med school); the new children's hospital, and the list goes on and on. https://www.uvafoundation.com/real-estate Whike UVA can't expand contiguously, it is certainly doing so nearby. Most of Ivy road is now owned by UVA. Some in the C'ville community are not happy with this expansion.

+1. An often overlooked point.

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Virginia Tech is what MIT was 10 years ago. The competition to get in very difficult. You need a 4.0 unweighted and 1550 SAT, awards, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:This proposal makes no sense. There are already less selective public universities that are a good fit for a variety of kids. Just say what you really mean: you want your child to be admitted to a selective state university. If the schools do what you suggest, which is to accept a broader range of kids, what do you think will happen? The school will become less selective and it's not going to be impressive to anyone that your kid got in, so you're not going to be satisfied with that.

Michigan does a much better job educating the top students in its state. Too bad the flagship of a state the size of VA can’t.

Have you been to UVA? Have a kid there? Michigan has just under 34K undergraduates to UVA's 17K. UVA is bursting at the gills and the city can't handle it either. Where would they build? They would have to displace city blocks (a large minority population by the way) east of Main between 14th to 10th. People that say it should grow to the size of schools like Michigan, UCLA, and Tech are delusional.

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That doesn’t change the fact that UVA doesn’t serve its population very well. If you can’t grow, you can certainly adjust the percentage of instate students upward.

You and the others who say UVA is not growing are wrong. Please google University of Virginia Foundation. Seven professionals spend their days purchasing billions of dollars of real estate for future use of the school, like the new data center; the Fontaine development (med school); the new children's hospital, and the list goes on and on. https://www.uvafoundation.com/real-estate Whike UVA can't expand contiguously, it is certainly doing so nearby. Most of Ivy road is now owned by UVA. Some in the C'ville community are not happy with this expansion.

Growing in this case means adding instate more students. Has UVA done that?

Yes, it has. Read and learn:

Yes, the University of Virginia (UVA) has seen enrollment growth over time:

Total enrollment: From 1960 to 2010, UVA's total enrollment increased from 5,047 to 20,895.

Undergraduate and graduate enrollment: From 2018 to 2022, UVA's total student enrollment increased by 9.4%.

UVA Wise enrollment: In fall 2023, UVA Wise enrolled 1,834 students, an 8% increase from the previous year. In fall 2024, UVA Wise enrolled 2,253 students, a 23% increase from the previous year.

Number of applicants: Since 2012, the number of applicants to UVA has doubled.
UVA's enrollment growth is part of a trend of increasing enrollment at four-year institutions in Virginia, while community colleges have seen enrollment decline.

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"Last cycle" and "trying again"? I don't get it. Get their butt into a seat at college somewhere. There are plenty.

If they have been denied, though highly qualified, likely they would get merit aid to excellent out of state choices. It bring the tuition down to what you would pay in VA. Or you have many other VA choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech is what MIT was 10 years ago. The competition to get in very difficult. You need a 4.0 unweighted and 1550 SAT, awards, etc.

Haha

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia Tech is what MIT was 10 years ago. The competition to get in very difficult. You need a 4.0 unweighted and 1550 SAT, awards, etc.

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