University of Virginia suspends tours that had come under fire for mentioning Thomas Jefferson's ties to slavery

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Anonymous wrote:But let's get real here, no conservative parent in Virginia is going to tell their kid not to apply to UVA if the tour is completely woke and does nothing but talk about the evils of slavery, and no liberal parent in Virginia is going to tell their kid not to apply to UVA if the tour uses a script written by Ron DeSantis that says blacks benefited from slavery.

The content of this tour literally Does Not Matter At All.

Good. UVA doesn’t need conservatives. They’re generally not smart enough to keep up with the classroom rigor anyway

What a completely idiotic comment. Take your warped politics and smug sense of self elsewhere.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:My current UVA 2nd year DD and I did the tour when she was a junior in high school. The tour was heavily focused on the university’s history with slavery. Although I was familiar with the school’s past, I did not expect the tour to focus so much on that aspect. We did not see the dorms, nor did we visit any classrooms (this could have been a Covid restriction). Nevertheless, UVA continued to be my DD’s first choice, and she is loving her experience there so far.

We did the VT Open House a few weeks later. They did an amazing job. It was so good, I hoped I could attend that school!

Agree 100%!

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Anonymous wrote:I thought our UVA tour was awkward. We walked by one set of dorms, saw the inside of one building, then spent the rest of the time standing on the Lawn while the guide talked about how racist the community was. Learned very little about the school. The strangest tour we had.

You forgot the part where we had to acknowledge the indigenous people whose land we were trodding upon.

Why didn’t you want to acknowledge the land?

Because it’s meaningless, performative BS.

It’s triggering you to have a conversation.

Not PP but there was no conversation. We were all told to be silent.

Liberal democrat here and thinks this stuff is performative BS as well. Not just conservatives, FWIW.

Same. Liberal dem. No patience for “we are acknowledging the lands we stole but not doing a damn thing about it.” Also agree that UVA goes way over the top on Jefferson and slavery. It’s worth a mention. There’s a memorial. Tell people to go. Hard stop.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought our UVA tour was awkward. We walked by one set of dorms, saw the inside of one building, then spent the rest of the time standing on the Lawn while the guide talked about how racist the community was. Learned very little about the school. The strangest tour we had.

You forgot the part where we had to acknowledge the indigenous people whose land we were trodding upon.

Why didn’t you want to acknowledge the land?

Because it’s meaningless, performative BS.

It’s triggering you to have a conversation.

Not PP but there was no conversation. We were all told to be silent.

Liberal democrat here and thinks this stuff is performative BS as well. Not just conservatives, FWIW.

Same. Liberal dem. No patience for “we are acknowledging the lands we stole but not doing a damn thing about it.” Also agree that UVA goes way over the top on Jefferson and slavery. It’s worth a mention. There’s a memorial. Tell people to go. Hard stop.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought our UVA tour was awkward. We walked by one set of dorms, saw the inside of one building, then spent the rest of the time standing on the Lawn while the guide talked about how racist the community was. Learned very little about the school. The strangest tour we had.

You forgot the part where we had to acknowledge the indigenous people whose land we were trodding upon.

Why didn’t you want to acknowledge the land?

Because it’s meaningless, performative BS.

It’s triggering you to have a conversation.

Not PP but there was no conversation. We were all told to be silent.

Liberal democrat here and thinks this stuff is performative BS as well. Not just conservatives, FWIW.

Same. Liberal dem. No patience for “we are acknowledging the lands we stole but not doing a damn thing about it.” Also agree that UVA goes way over the top on Jefferson and slavery. It’s worth a mention. There’s a memorial. Tell people to go. Hard stop.

“We stole?”

Who is we?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “mention,” it’s “entire focus” of the tour.

Big difference. I am sure the kinds of tours provided at Mount Vernon, which are comprehensive but not agenda- driven woke, will still be given at uva

The “agenda” of acknowledging slavery and fighting racism?

People aren’t touring UVA in order to fight racism.

Where should people fight racism?

I don’t care about it at all,

That’s a you problem.

Focusing the tour heavily on that is off-target, but not caring at all about racism is terrible.

I only "care" about "racism" because grifters want to use it as a reason to shake me down for money. It has lost its power as a magic word that's supposed to make everyone feel bad.

You don't get it

Oh no I get it completely when someone is trying to use a guilt trip to manipulate me into giving them what they want.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought our UVA tour was awkward. We walked by one set of dorms, saw the inside of one building, then spent the rest of the time standing on the Lawn while the guide talked about how racist the community was. Learned very little about the school. The strangest tour we had.

You forgot the part where we had to acknowledge the indigenous people whose land we were trodding upon.

Ours required a moment of silence. People in the tour looked so confused.

Sounds like a few rogue student guides. Not our experience at all.

I think that has been the problem with the tours - there ARE no standards. There is no script. There's nothing to go rogue off of. Really awful.

This didn't used top be a problem before.
It's only a problem now because UVA has been selecting for "activists" or a particular flavor for a while and why would those kids stop being activist once they are given freedom and responsibility.
Being a SJW shouldn't be any more of a hook than any other EC.

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Anonymous wrote: It is just interesting the extent to which elements of the far left are inventing an almost pseudo religion complete with little prayers.

Yes, VA once belonged to other people, centuries before any of us were born. In that, VA is identical to essentially every other square inch of habitable dirt on earth.

Nobody doing a tour of UVA is going to be unaware that there were people in VA before the English arrived, over 400 years ago, under the reign of Queen Elizabeth I….

DP here. I don’t know about that. I look around today and see so many people that can’t agree on things like the earth is round and the moon landing so if you told me someone didn’t think people were in VA before the English arrived I would not be surprised. All it takes is someone to want to gain notoriety by making an outrageous statement and others either start to believe or feel free to admit it and it takes on a life of its own. I’m not even going to get into conspiracy theory alley and some of the things my kids have mentioned is out there on social media that is contrary to what I learned in school as being historical fact….

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And those are exactly the sort of people who will change their minds because some kid preaches at them during a college tour.
You might as well be throwing tomato soup on a painting.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought our UVA tour was awkward. We walked by one set of dorms, saw the inside of one building, then spent the rest of the time standing on the Lawn while the guide talked about how racist the community was. Learned very little about the school. The strangest tour we had.

You forgot the part where we had to acknowledge the indigenous people whose land we were trodding upon.

Why didn’t you want to acknowledge the land?

Performative.
And who are you acknowledging it to? Yourselves? Each other? With the point of what?—atonement? Forgiveness? Acknowledgment that you are benefitting from these evils of people you didn’t know pushing people you also didn’t know off of land that may or may not have belonged to them after THeY pushed other tribes off of the land? Super weird American practice.
Our history is so so young.
Are you really sorry that this happened?
If it hadn’t happened, you wouldn’t have your iPhone that you used to type out your outrage.

Would you rather be ignorant?

What? You think people don't already know?

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Anonymous wrote:But let's get real here, no conservative parent in Virginia is going to tell their kid not to apply to UVA if the tour is completely woke and does nothing but talk about the evils of slavery, and no liberal parent in Virginia is going to tell their kid not to apply to UVA if the tour uses a script written by Ron DeSantis that says blacks benefited from slavery.

The content of this tour literally Does Not Matter At All.

Good. UVA doesn’t need conservatives. They’re generally not smart enough to keep up with the classroom rigor anyway

It's sad when people are so egotistical that they think the only people who would have a different opinion from them are idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought our UVA tour was awkward. We walked by one set of dorms, saw the inside of one building, then spent the rest of the time standing on the Lawn while the guide talked about how racist the community was. Learned very little about the school. The strangest tour we had.

You forgot the part where we had to acknowledge the indigenous people whose land we were trodding upon.

Ours required a moment of silence. People in the tour looked so confused.

Sounds like a few rogue student guides. Not our experience at all.

? It’s literally in the news that UVA adjusted their tours. I highly doubt it was a few rogue guides. Either way, my child isn’t applying. Damage done.

Whatever will they do without your child?

You seriously think it is in UVA’s interest to have tours that turn kids off from applying? You’re being absurd.

For every kid turned off, there are plenty who become more interested, or don’t really care either way. If it really deterred your kid from applying, then it just wasn’t the right school for them. There are thousands upon thousands of others happy to take their place.

That is not a bottomless well and if word gets around, it will hurt them. UVA does not have a monopoly on college education.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “mention,” it’s “entire focus” of the tour.

Big difference. I am sure the kinds of tours provided at Mount Vernon, which are comprehensive but not agenda- driven woke, will still be given at uva

The “agenda” of acknowledging slavery and fighting racism?

Right. Neither should appear on the agenda when one adult shows another adult the present-day features of a school.

Perseverating on Sally Hemmings 400 years ago does not "fight racism" today. And like PP said, "acknowledging" something from 400 years ago is performative bullshit, because there isn't a high school student in the northern hemisphere who is unaware that slavery occurred.

Really? Seems like a lot of people are pretending like it - and racist policies - never happened.

Look at all of the people fighting racial diversity college admissions.

They are fighting racism in the college admissions process.
The diversity at MIT was coming at the expense of asians and ONLY asians.
How do you defend excluding asians AND ONLY ASIANS to increase the number of less qualified hispanics when hispanics used to lynch asians?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought our UVA tour was awkward. We walked by one set of dorms, saw the inside of one building, then spent the rest of the time standing on the Lawn while the guide talked about how racist the community was. Learned very little about the school. The strangest tour we had.

You forgot the part where we had to acknowledge the indigenous people whose land we were trodding upon.

Ours required a moment of silence. People in the tour looked so confused.

Sounds like a few rogue student guides. Not our experience at all.

? It’s literally in the news that UVA adjusted their tours. I highly doubt it was a few rogue guides. Either way, my child isn’t applying. Damage done.

Whatever will they do without your child?

You seriously think it is in UVA’s interest to have tours that turn kids off from applying? You’re being absurd.

For every kid turned off, there are plenty who become more interested, or don’t really care either way. If it really deterred your kid from applying, then it just wasn’t the right school for them. There are thousands upon thousands of others happy to take their place.

lol if that were the case, they wouldn’t be revising the tours.

Yeah, their application numbers are clearly hurting.

Something caused them to change the tours, yes? They didn’t like the results. Open your eyes.

That “something” was a racist governor who appointed his racist buddies to the board.

Elections have consequences. Try winning more and preaching less.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “mention,” it’s “entire focus” of the tour.

Big difference. I am sure the kinds of tours provided at Mount Vernon, which are comprehensive but not agenda- driven woke, will still be given at uva

The “agenda” of acknowledging slavery and fighting racism?

People aren’t touring UVA in order to fight racism.

Where should people fight racism?

I don’t care about it at all,

That’s a you problem.

Focusing the tour heavily on that is off-target, but not caring at all about racism is terrible.

I only "care" about "racism" because grifters want to use it as a reason to shake me down for money. It has lost its power as a magic word that's supposed to make everyone feel bad.

You don't get it

Oh no I get it completely when someone is trying to use a guilt trip to manipulate me into giving them what they want.

What is that you think they want?

Do you believe that racism exists today?

Do you believe that slavery & racist policies of the past continue to affect people today?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought our UVA tour was awkward. We walked by one set of dorms, saw the inside of one building, then spent the rest of the time standing on the Lawn while the guide talked about how racist the community was. Learned very little about the school. The strangest tour we had.

You forgot the part where we had to acknowledge the indigenous people whose land we were trodding upon.

Ours required a moment of silence. People in the tour looked so confused.

Sounds like a few rogue student guides. Not our experience at all.

? It’s literally in the news that UVA adjusted their tours. I highly doubt it was a few rogue guides. Either way, my child isn’t applying. Damage done.

Whatever will they do without your child?

You seriously think it is in UVA’s interest to have tours that turn kids off from applying? You’re being absurd.

For every kid turned off, there are plenty who become more interested, or don’t really care either way. If it really deterred your kid from applying, then it just wasn’t the right school for them. There are thousands upon thousands of others happy to take their place.

lol if that were the case, they wouldn’t be revising the tours.

Yeah, their application numbers are clearly hurting.

Something caused them to change the tours, yes? They didn’t like the results. Open your eyes.

That “something” was a racist governor who appointed his racist buddies to the board.

Elections have consequences. Try winning more and preaching less.

Calling out racist MFs isn’t “preaching”.