University of Virginia suspends tours that had come under fire for mentioning Thomas Jefferson's ties to slavery

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DP. Keep it up. If you are in any way indicative of what kind of nonsense awaits at UVA, I’m happy to spread the word. Your moment has come and gone

What are you on about? Spread the word? I think people already know. UVA received 58,995 applications this year, while these tours were still being offered. That's 2556 more apps than last year and there's only about 4000 seats in the 1st year class. It seems seems silly to base such a significant decision on one data point, but as PPs have suggested, if some decided not to apply based on a tour, UVA probably wasn't the right fit for those kids anyway.

+1 They can go to Liberty

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Anonymous wrote:But let's get real here, no conservative parent in Virginia is going to tell their kid not to apply to UVA if the tour is completely woke and does nothing but talk about the evils of slavery, and no liberal parent in Virginia is going to tell their kid not to apply to UVA if the tour uses a script written by Ron DeSantis that says blacks benefited from slavery.

The content of this tour literally Does Not Matter At All.

Good. UVA doesn’t need conservatives. They’re generally not smart enough to keep up with the classroom rigor anyway

It's sad when people are so egotistical that they think the only people who would have a different opinion from them are idiots.

Conservatives don’t have a “different opinion”; they have “different morals” or, more accurately, a lack of morals.
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DP. Keep it up. If you are in any way indicative of what kind of nonsense awaits at UVA, I’m happy to spread the word. Your moment has come and gone.

Please do. We are only getting started.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought our UVA tour was awkward. We walked by one set of dorms, saw the inside of one building, then spent the rest of the time standing on the Lawn while the guide talked about how racist the community was. Learned very little about the school. The strangest tour we had.

This. It's out of balance and has been for a long time.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not “mention,” it’s “entire focus” of the tour.

Big difference. I am sure the kinds of tours provided at Mount Vernon, which are comprehensive but not agenda- driven woke, will still be given at uva

Mt Vernon seems to be doing a good job handling this, totally agree.

Yes.

We just toured Mount Vernon (again)

Their tour is leaps and bounds better than the UVA tour.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought our UVA tour was awkward. We walked by one set of dorms, saw the inside of one building, then spent the rest of the time standing on the Lawn while the guide talked about how racist the community was. Learned very little about the school. The strangest tour we had.

You forgot the part where we had to acknowledge the indigenous people whose land we were trodding upon.

Ours required a moment of silence. People in the tour looked so confused.

Sounds like a few rogue student guides. Not our experience at all.

? It’s literally in the news that UVA adjusted their tours. I highly doubt it was a few rogue guides. Either way, my child isn’t applying. Damage done.

Whatever will they do without your child?

You seriously think it is in UVA’s interest to have tours that turn kids off from applying? You’re being absurd.

For every kid turned off, there are plenty who become more interested, or don’t really care either way. If it really deterred your kid from applying, then it just wasn’t the right school for them. There are thousands upon thousands of others happy to take their place.

lol if that were the case, they wouldn’t be revising the tours.

Yeah, their application numbers are clearly hurting.

Something caused them to change the tours, yes? They didn’t like the results. Open your eyes.

That “something” was a racist governor who appointed his racist buddies to the board.

Elections have consequences. Try winning more and preaching less.

Calling out racist MFs isn’t “preaching”.

Try winning elections instead of making baseless accusation of racism. People like you have diluted the term racist to the point it just means anyone that I disagree with.

It means anyone who wants to rollback the progress we’ve made wrt racial inequality. And those who DGAF about racism.

If people are calling you “racist” often then you should reflect on that.

No need to reflect I already know that when people call me "racist" they're just trying to guilt trip me into doing what they want, and I'm not falling for it. That grift is all played out now.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought our UVA tour was awkward. We walked by one set of dorms, saw the inside of one building, then spent the rest of the time standing on the Lawn while the guide talked about how racist the community was. Learned very little about the school. The strangest tour we had.

You forgot the part where we had to acknowledge the indigenous people whose land we were trodding upon.

Why didn’t you want to acknowledge the land?

Because it’s meaningless, performative BS.

We toured over a dozen colleges last year.

One had a very appropriate, interesting indigenous people statement led by an actual person of native American heritage, that was simply a really informative presentation of the history of the area along with a description of a historical project on native artifacts done by students. It was a wonderful approach.

All the others had a non native white person, usually a woman, read or chant some weird prayer like statement of atonement, chastizing everyone for sins of the past that occured generations before the prospective students were born.

All but the first school's indigenous statements were performative, insincere and weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I've lived here for almost 3 decades but didn't grow up here. Here's what I don't get: White people in the south love to talk about heritage and family and how they are whatever number generation American in their family. and how their proud ancestor so and so was some Confederate somebody who fought in a war that wasn't about whether one human being could be owned by another. Why is it that within this proud heritage I have never had one white southerner apologize and volunteer that their ancestors owned slaves or actively fought against integration? I mean there must be tens of thousands of southern whites alive today that could say this. I'd think that part of growing up and moving on would be to acknowledge skeletons in your closet.

Instead, some in this forum constantly use loaded terms such as "fitting in" to describe how some progressive idea will negatively impact their kid for life. Many minorities have already learned the "fitting in" skill by facing constant tacit hostility and microaggressions from white people since they were born. And let's face it, fitting in is either code for something else or a really low bar you allow your child to set. Perhaps you sheltered them too much and they haven't formed any callouses yet.

Everyone on this forum is so convicted about their ideas no matter which side they're on; how about letting your kids go to a diverse environment and meet people of other beliefs so that we don't stay so divided? It's 2024 and it's pathetic that this country is still so segregated. Maybe I was "lucky" but it was as an adult that I had my life altering moment: All my life I never realized that racism is an actual tangible, palpable sixth sense until I had an interaction with a traffic cop the first weekend I moved here.

What white people from the south are talking like that?

Where do you find these people in real life?

Real life is very different from hollywood scripts and internet blogs.

Not saying it hasn't happened to you... once... but the chance of that happening in the way you describe is very, very unlikely.