Walk me through the logistics of mass deportations

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not realistic because the country people are getting deported to has to agree to take them back.

Plenty of countries like Cambodia, China, Cuba, Eritrea, Hong Kong, India, Iran, Iraq, Laos, Pakistan and Russia and Venezuela won’t take back deported citizens and/or frequently pause accepting their deported citizens. There are over 100,000 people the US is waiting to deport but their countries won’t take them.

We have bases and territories and islands all over the world - Guantanamo Bay, Guam, the Marshall Islands, the Aleutian Islands. It would be pretty simple to house illegal migrants and rejected asylum seekers there until their home countries take them back. Australia does something similar on the island of Nauru. It's a very effective deterrent to illegal migrants with no hope of being granted asylum.

This is the answer. The Aussies figured it out. They deport all illegal immigrants to camps outside the country. They also do migrant swaps with other countries in the cases where those people cannot be deported to their country of origin. Basically, they ensure that under no circumstances will someone who attempts to enter the country illegally will ever be a legal resident or get any benefits. That strongly discourages illegal immigration.

You are incorrect. Australia only sends asylum seekers who arrive by BOAT to Nauru and the policy is that they will not be resettled in Australia if their asylum claims are approved. Australia seeks to return them or resettle them in other countries. No other illegal immigrants are sent to the camps. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are people who overstay student or other temporary visas.

At its peak, the camp in Nauru had 1,233 detainees. Australia also sent boat arrivals to a processing camp in PNG which has closed. At its peak, it had 1,350 people, some of whom were there for 10 years.

Australia’s policy specifically aimed to deter people arriving by boat. The numbers are tiny compared to the numbers here. This policy has cost over $500,000 per detainee.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA will need to consult history books to see how the Nazis did it.

You need to read some history. Nazi's rounded up their own citizens and sent them to death.

Repatriating illegal aliens to their country of origin is not that, FFS.

You should pick up a history book yourself. What do you think they called what they were doing to the Jewish people? DEPORTATIONS

And it neither started nor ended with just the Jewish people. The Nazis had a laundry list of people they othered and persecuted.

Illegal immigrants are the excuse to build the camps. They're the population people like you will be a-okay seeing them dragged kicking and screaming from their homes, thrown on busses and trains to God knows where.

But it doesn't end there. Once the camps are built, there will always be a new "other" to fill them with. And you'll find that eventually that "other" will include someone you care about. And it'll then be too late for you to do anything about it.

Talk about read some history. Read some your damn self. History doesn't repeat itself literally. It rhymes. If you think you can elect a fascist regime without some human right tragedies to go with it, you're stupid.

Do you think there should be immigration laws at all?

Lol you don't actually want to hear my answer to that question. Your head would explode. But I have a question for you. Do you think America should have concentration camps at the border? Are you okay becoming that country?

You know what, you’re right. I don’t. I am a recent immigrant. There is nothing you can tell me about the immigration process I don’t already know.

To answer your question, you invented this concentration camp business. No one said there would be any. People who are not legal to be here shouldn’t be here. If they are detained before deportation, I’m okay with that.

Your bigotry will come back to bite you if you think MAGA gives a rat's ass that you're a "legal" immigrant. If you're identifiably brown and foreign, you will be a target of these round ups.

I think it burns you that legal immigrants don’t have the same affection and sympathy for the illegal immigrants you expected them to have. Guess what, we don’t. We see them as line-jumpers.

You honestly think MAGA hates "illegal" immigrants because of bureaucracy? Because they didn't wait in line and fill out the right paperwork? You're a drooling moron.

The legal immigrants’ sentiment toward illegal immigrants does not change with presidential transitions. I don’t care what MAGA thinks. Didn’t care what Biden thought either. Don’t enter the country illegally. Not hard, really.

You should care what the people who you're planning to empower think. They'll not be making the distinction you're making between rule followers and rule breakers. That's not actually their issue. Their issue is they think POC are stealing resources (jobs, money, business, schools, etc.) from them, and they want them all gone.

Hate to break it to you, but the security you're taking for granted will not exist when they have power and their ire inevitably turns on anyone they deem "other." You think you're safe but you aren't.

Wait you think all immigrants are brown? This explains so much…

Listen, the Indian and Asian parents in good school districts don’t seem too worried.

Oh, I'm fully aware that when Trump and the MAGAts speak of immigrants, they don't mean white immigrants. If PP is a white immigrant, that explains their confidence that the camps couldn't possibly be for them.

Every legal immigrant feels that confidence. No Indian or East Asian parent in McLean is losing any sleep over your camp fantasy.

No they don’t.
My DH used to joke about it taking an act of Congress to take his citizenship away. We don’t think that’s such a far stretch anymore.
Now he’s made sure all of our passports are in order and we have copies of his paperwork, including his DD-214, in more than one location. He’s been told by past coworkers that assumed he sought their approval that he’s “one of the good ones”. Maybe they will shield him if things get out of hand.
Hopefully we never have to deal with some vigilante going off doing the lord’s work and taking matters into their own hands.

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Anonymous wrote:Cut off all the freebies and they will self-deport.

School, food stamps, Medicaid... kill it all for illegals.

Where do you live that school is a freebie? Our schools are paid for by every single person that lives in the boundaries of the district. Unless they have a weird landlord that does not make them pay rent, every single household is paying. Good thing too because our district needs the students.

Do you know children of visitor visa holders are not allowed to attend public schools?

That is not true in our district. Where is that the case?

It is a federal law, and if your district allows students on visitor visa, they are in violation of immigration law.

Immigration status is not important. But you must provide extensive proof that you reside in the district. School is not free.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone tell me where they're going to get all the cruise ships from to deport these people. Should I be investing in cruise lines or do you think this will be an appropriation thing?

HELLO!?

Where are they going to get the baots from? This is supposed to be a thread about the logistics!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not realistic because the country people are getting deported to has to agree to take them back.

Plenty of countries like Cambodia, China, Cuba, Eritrea, Hong Kong, India, Iran, Iraq, Laos, Pakistan and Russia and Venezuela won’t take back deported citizens and/or frequently pause accepting their deported citizens. There are over 100,000 people the US is waiting to deport but their countries won’t take them.

We have bases and territories and islands all over the world - Guantanamo Bay, Guam, the Marshall Islands, the Aleutian Islands. It would be pretty simple to house illegal migrants and rejected asylum seekers there until their home countries take them back. Australia does something similar on the island of Nauru. It's a very effective deterrent to illegal migrants with no hope of being granted asylum.

No one wants to pay for that.

Australia probably finds it cheaper than educating and feeding all the “asylum seekers”

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Anonymous wrote:Start with those that commit crimes. Place them in a Federal prison grouped by country of origin. When you have enough for a full flight load up the plane. Fly to destination country. Once over a safe location, open door and send them out. Of course they will have parachutes, return complete.

Genius if you ask me!
There will be a few small problems with the law though

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Anonymous wrote:Cut off all the freebies and they will self-deport.

School, food stamps, Medicaid... kill it all for illegals.

It’s their citizen kids who get them.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Honestly there should be no citizenship for children whose parents are illegal

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA will need to consult history books to see how the Nazis did it.

They don’t need to see how the Nazis did it.
We have our own game plans we can trot back out from the 1930s and 1955.
How’s that song go?
“We’ve done it before and we can do it again”

“These were the “repatriation drives,” a series of informal raids that took place around the United States during the Great Depression. Local governments and officials deported up to 1.8 million people to Mexico, according to research conducted by Joseph Dunn, a former California state senator. Dunn estimates around 60 percent of these people were actually American citizens, many of them born in the U.S. to first-generation immigrants. For these citizens, deportation wasn’t “repatriation”—it was exile from their country”

https://www.history.com/news/great-depression-repatriation-drives-mexico-deportation

That's the fear, IMO. This will lead to profiling, and fear, such that all brown looking people will feel the need to carry around their birth certificate or passport to prove that they are US citizens.

There are some Hispanics who support Trump, and it would be the height of irony for these people to get rounded up. It's like that restaurant owner in the midwest who voted for Trump, then her illegal immigrant husband who had lived here for over a decade got deported. She thought Trump would only go after "those" people, not her husband. How stupid she was.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-immigration-crackdown-causes-some-to-rethink-their-vote/

There’s nothing wrong with carrying an ID that shows legal status

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Anonymous wrote:Our schools are in crisis. Illegal immigration is one of the major reasons for this. For that reason alone, we need to do deportations. And before we even start that, they should be refusing to allow illegal migrants to anttend any of our schools.

Ok how are those deportations going to work? Be specific.

Where exactly are invaders getting the papers (the same papers that our required of American citizens) to get into our public schools?

Schools don’t ask for papers proving legal status

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA will need to consult history books to see how the Nazis did it.

You need to read some history. Nazi's rounded up their own citizens and sent them to death.

Repatriating illegal aliens to their country of origin is not that, FFS.

You should pick up a history book yourself. What do you think they called what they were doing to the Jewish people? DEPORTATIONS

And it neither started nor ended with just the Jewish people. The Nazis had a laundry list of people they othered and persecuted.

Illegal immigrants are the excuse to build the camps. They're the population people like you will be a-okay seeing them dragged kicking and screaming from their homes, thrown on busses and trains to God knows where.

But it doesn't end there. Once the camps are built, there will always be a new "other" to fill them with. And you'll find that eventually that "other" will include someone you care about. And it'll then be too late for you to do anything about it.

Talk about read some history. Read some your damn self. History doesn't repeat itself literally. It rhymes. If you think you can elect a fascist regime without some human right tragedies to go with it, you're stupid.

Do you think there should be immigration laws at all?

Lol you don't actually want to hear my answer to that question. Your head would explode. But I have a question for you. Do you think America should have concentration camps at the border? Are you okay becoming that country?

You know what, you’re right. I don’t. I am a recent immigrant. There is nothing you can tell me about the immigration process I don’t already know.

To answer your question, you invented this concentration camp business. No one said there would be any. People who are not legal to be here shouldn’t be here. If they are detained before deportation, I’m okay with that.

Your bigotry will come back to bite you if you think MAGA gives a rat's ass that you're a "legal" immigrant. If you're identifiably brown and foreign, you will be a target of these round ups.

I think it burns you that legal immigrants don’t have the same affection and sympathy for the illegal immigrants you expected them to have. Guess what, we don’t. We see them as line-jumpers.

You honestly think MAGA hates "illegal" immigrants because of bureaucracy? Because they didn't wait in line and fill out the right paperwork? You're a drooling moron.

The legal immigrants’ sentiment toward illegal immigrants does not change with presidential transitions. I don’t care what MAGA thinks. Didn’t care what Biden thought either. Don’t enter the country illegally. Not hard, really.

You should care what the people who you're planning to empower think. They'll not be making the distinction you're making between rule followers and rule breakers. That's not actually their issue. Their issue is they think POC are stealing resources (jobs, money, business, schools, etc.) from them, and they want them all gone.

Hate to break it to you, but the security you're taking for granted will not exist when they have power and their ire inevitably turns on anyone they deem "other." You think you're safe but you aren't.

Wait you think all immigrants are brown? This explains so much…

Listen, the Indian and Asian parents in good school districts don’t seem too worried.

Oh, I'm fully aware that when Trump and the MAGAts speak of immigrants, they don't mean white immigrants. If PP is a white immigrant, that explains their confidence that the camps couldn't possibly be for them.

Every legal immigrant feels that confidence. No Indian or East Asian parent in McLean is losing any sleep over your camp fantasy.

No they don’t.
My DH used to joke about it taking an act of Congress to take his citizenship away. We don’t think that’s such a far stretch anymore.
Now he’s made sure all of our passports are in order and we have copies of his paperwork, including his DD-214, in more than one location. He’s been told by past coworkers that assumed he sought their approval that he’s “one of the good ones”. Maybe they will shield him if things get out of hand.
Hopefully we never have to deal with some vigilante going off doing the lord’s work and taking matters into their own hands.

Like the guy who shot Trump did?

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SSI means you get medicaid and food stamps also. Israel and the Jewish community can provide those programs and benefits to illegal immigrants and “aliens.”

SSI: you can only get it as a non citizen if you are a refugee. Refugees get green cards (become legal permanent residents) and then get SSI if they are over 65.
No immigration status - no SSI.

Medicaid - I believe only one state gives their state version of Medicaid to people regardless of their immigration status. It’s CA.

Source: I research this for work

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Anonymous wrote:Our schools are in crisis. Illegal immigration is one of the major reasons for this. For that reason alone, we need to do deportations. And before we even start that, they should be refusing to allow illegal migrants to anttend any of our schools.

Ok how are those deportations going to work? Be specific.

Where exactly are invaders getting the papers (the same papers that our required of American citizens) to get into our public schools?

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The school my kids attend- no paperwork is needed to enroll the children of illegal immigrants, either for classes or free breakfast and lunch. Why do Americans have to present appropriate paperwork for their children? Shouldn’t all families and children be treated equally?

Nobody is asked to provide proof of immigration status. No one.

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Anonymous wrote:Cut off all the freebies and they will self-deport.

School, food stamps, Medicaid... kill it all for illegals.

Where do you live that school is a freebie? Our schools are paid for by every single person that lives in the boundaries of the district. Unless they have a weird landlord that does not make them pay rent, every single household is paying. Good thing too because our district needs the students.

Do you know children of visitor visa holders are not allowed to attend public schools?

Schools don’t check. If they wanted to, they would. It’s just that most people know they won’t get another visa if they are caught sending kids to public schools. Those who have broken the immigration law just don’t care anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:MAGA will need to consult history books to see how the Nazis did it.

You need to read some history. Nazi's rounded up their own citizens and sent them to death.

Repatriating illegal aliens to their country of origin is not that, FFS.

You should pick up a history book yourself. What do you think they called what they were doing to the Jewish people? DEPORTATIONS

And it neither started nor ended with just the Jewish people. The Nazis had a laundry list of people they othered and persecuted.

Illegal immigrants are the excuse to build the camps. They're the population people like you will be a-okay seeing them dragged kicking and screaming from their homes, thrown on busses and trains to God knows where.

But it doesn't end there. Once the camps are built, there will always be a new "other" to fill them with. And you'll find that eventually that "other" will include someone you care about. And it'll then be too late for you to do anything about it.

Talk about read some history. Read some your damn self. History doesn't repeat itself literally. It rhymes. If you think you can elect a fascist regime without some human right tragedies to go with it, you're stupid.

Do you think there should be immigration laws at all?

Lol you don't actually want to hear my answer to that question. Your head would explode. But I have a question for you. Do you think America should have concentration camps at the border? Are you okay becoming that country?

You know what, you’re right. I don’t. I am a recent immigrant. There is nothing you can tell me about the immigration process I don’t already know.

To answer your question, you invented this concentration camp business. No one said there would be any. People who are not legal to be here shouldn’t be here. If they are detained before deportation, I’m okay with that.

Your bigotry will come back to bite you if you think MAGA gives a rat's ass that you're a "legal" immigrant. If you're identifiably brown and foreign, you will be a target of these round ups.

I think it burns you that legal immigrants don’t have the same affection and sympathy for the illegal immigrants you expected them to have. Guess what, we don’t. We see them as line-jumpers.

You honestly think MAGA hates "illegal" immigrants because of bureaucracy? Because they didn't wait in line and fill out the right paperwork? You're a drooling moron.

The legal immigrants’ sentiment toward illegal immigrants does not change with presidential transitions. I don’t care what MAGA thinks. Didn’t care what Biden thought either. Don’t enter the country illegally. Not hard, really.

You should care what the people who you're planning to empower think. They'll not be making the distinction you're making between rule followers and rule breakers. That's not actually their issue. Their issue is they think POC are stealing resources (jobs, money, business, schools, etc.) from them, and they want them all gone.

Hate to break it to you, but the security you're taking for granted will not exist when they have power and their ire inevitably turns on anyone they deem "other." You think you're safe but you aren't.

Wait you think all immigrants are brown? This explains so much…

Listen, the Indian and Asian parents in good school districts don’t seem too worried.

Oh, I'm fully aware that when Trump and the MAGAts speak of immigrants, they don't mean white immigrants. If PP is a white immigrant, that explains their confidence that the camps couldn't possibly be for them.

As a white immigrant I wouldn’t be so sure. I’ve personally suffered in his first term due to the long wait and additional interviews USCIS introduced.

Trump will be bad for many legal immigrants, I am sure.