DC Black Upper Class & Georgetown University

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Anonymous wrote:Black students that go to these elite colleges come back messed up, they race racism from the faculty

meant face racism, i remember a black girl who was a dance major was told by a Harvard professor that she would have gotten a better grade if she focused on her science paper as much as she did dance

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Anonymous wrote:I don't even know OF any UMC black families who are thinking about Duke, and in what world is it ranked higher than Harvard? I went to Penn, and the children of my peers are looking at high profile HBCUs and Ivies.

No one I know of is looking at Duke or Vandy. UVA is as far south as most black folks I know are willing to go UNLESS to go to an HBCU cause racist townies without the nurturing embrace of an entire school administration is suboptimal...

We're an UMC Black family. Duke was a top pick for DC, but after touring this spring it quickly fell off the list. DC has Ivies, HBCUs, a few state flagships, and a couple privates on the list.

Black America doesn't view Duke University the same way the rest of the country views Duke, to black americans, Duke might as well be Harvard South

I assume I’m part of the group the OP references. I’m an attorney (4th generation college graduate/3rd generation J&J, AKA, and Links/my children are private school lifers, etc…).

Duke seems like a fine university, but it’s not aspirational to me. I’ve never thought of it as better than any Ivy. I would even choose Cornell (especially Dyson) over Duke.

Cornell really? Seems pretty miserable unless the goal is to be an Alpha or something.

I'm from the south, first-generation. Duke was everything in comparison to ivies. I didn't really want to go, but I did apply to make my family happy. It was Duke, Howard/Spelman, and whatever HBCU your parents went to.The person saying they don't know any black students going South should actually visit the South where most of the Black American population is. A significant move back south has been occurring the past two decades and black students have moved more and more to schools like Emory than Cornell.

The people who don't see Vandy should know that it has the highest percent of black students in a university class of any top school.

As I said earlier, Duke seems like a fine university—I’m not knocking it.
I can especially see Duke’s appeal for a first-generation college student from the south. As a multigenerational college graduate from CA, Duke doesn’t hold the same appeal for me (or many other similarly situated people that I know). Especially not over Ivies, Stanford or MIT.

Duke is ranked 7th best university in America, higher than Columbia, for black Americans, Duke is a #3 choice behind Harvard, and Yale, but before Princeton and Columbia

My perspective isn’t based solely on rank, dear. Princeton has been ranked higher than Harvard College (USNWR) for years. Given the choice, I would not pick Princeton over Harvard. There is an intangible prestige and door-opening effect that Harvard has over Princeton…and always will.

The same applies to Columbia and Duke. I would pick Columbia over Duke, without a second thought or hesitation.

In most STEM fields, this isn't true. Harvard has a significant advantage if your goal is Harvard Law, but just factually most black wealthy students (especially the many immigrant African children who make up most of the Harvard black culture) are not going to Harvard Law. Princeton is better for all STEM subjects, economics, public policy/international relations, and some humanities topics like History. Princeton is academically more prestigious, has one of the fiercest alumni networks out there, and you're sick for making me, a Penn grad, defend them.

Harvard is cool for grad school, but undergrad is really variate and not the focus. Princeton is an undergrad powerhouse.

Let’s be real, the Harvard name is good in any field. Name a field of study, and you will find someone with a Harvard College degree who excelled in that field.
Y’all can do/say whatever you want. If my child is choosing between Harvard, Princeton, Duke, etc…they’re going to Harvard. Period.

Mine had this choice and reluctantly dragged his feet across Visitas before swiftly rejecting them. If you can choose between Harvard and Princeton, you don't need to rush to Harvard for the name.

To each his or her own. You and I don’t need to agree.

Sure, so be tolerant that people can have different ideas than you rather than trying to "be real."

I can easily tolerate others choosing schools I don’t prefer (like Duke). Let’s be real…😝

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Anonymous wrote:Black students that go to these elite colleges come back messed up, they race racism from the faculty

meant face racism, i remember a black girl who was a dance major was told by a Harvard professor that she would have gotten a better grade if she focused on her science paper as much as she did dance

Black people encountering racism in the U.S.? In institutions of higher learning?!? I’m shocked! 🙄

She should have given him the finger and twirled and shimmied out of his office.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't even know OF any UMC black families who are thinking about Duke, and in what world is it ranked higher than Harvard? I went to Penn, and the children of my peers are looking at high profile HBCUs and Ivies.

No one I know of is looking at Duke or Vandy. UVA is as far south as most black folks I know are willing to go UNLESS to go to an HBCU cause racist townies without the nurturing embrace of an entire school administration is suboptimal...

We're an UMC Black family. Duke was a top pick for DC, but after touring this spring it quickly fell off the list. DC has Ivies, HBCUs, a few state flagships, and a couple privates on the list.

Black America doesn't view Duke University the same way the rest of the country views Duke, to black americans, Duke might as well be Harvard South

I assume I’m part of the group the OP references. I’m an attorney (4th generation college graduate/3rd generation J&J, AKA, and Links/my children are private school lifers, etc…).

Duke seems like a fine university, but it’s not aspirational to me. I’ve never thought of it as better than any Ivy. I would even choose Cornell (especially Dyson) over Duke.

Cornell really? Seems pretty miserable unless the goal is to be an Alpha or something.

I'm from the south, first-generation. Duke was everything in comparison to ivies. I didn't really want to go, but I did apply to make my family happy. It was Duke, Howard/Spelman, and whatever HBCU your parents went to.The person saying they don't know any black students going South should actually visit the South where most of the Black American population is. A significant move back south has been occurring the past two decades and black students have moved more and more to schools like Emory than Cornell.

The people who don't see Vandy should know that it has the highest percent of black students in a university class of any top school.

+1. I'm from DC but have a ton of family in NC and strongly agree. I'm planning to take my kid to Duke, Vandy, UNC, and Emory. Cornell is on the list because of their animal science program, but I think better QOL is in the South for AAs. I'm considering a retirement move to GA/TX/NC/AL years from now.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't even know OF any UMC black families who are thinking about Duke, and in what world is it ranked higher than Harvard? I went to Penn, and the children of my peers are looking at high profile HBCUs and Ivies.

No one I know of is looking at Duke or Vandy. UVA is as far south as most black folks I know are willing to go UNLESS to go to an HBCU cause racist townies without the nurturing embrace of an entire school administration is suboptimal...

We're an UMC Black family. Duke was a top pick for DC, but after touring this spring it quickly fell off the list. DC has Ivies, HBCUs, a few state flagships, and a couple privates on the list.

Black America doesn't view Duke University the same way the rest of the country views Duke, to black americans, Duke might as well be Harvard South

I assume I’m part of the group the OP references. I’m an attorney (4th generation college graduate/3rd generation J&J, AKA, and Links/my children are private school lifers, etc…).

Duke seems like a fine university, but it’s not aspirational to me. I’ve never thought of it as better than any Ivy. I would even choose Cornell (especially Dyson) over Duke.

Cornell really? Seems pretty miserable unless the goal is to be an Alpha or something.

I'm from the south, first-generation. Duke was everything in comparison to ivies. I didn't really want to go, but I did apply to make my family happy. It was Duke, Howard/Spelman, and whatever HBCU your parents went to.The person saying they don't know any black students going South should actually visit the South where most of the Black American population is. A significant move back south has been occurring the past two decades and black students have moved more and more to schools like Emory than Cornell.

The people who don't see Vandy should know that it has the highest percent of black students in a university class of any top school.

+1. I'm from DC but have a ton of family in NC and strongly agree. I'm planning to take my kid to Duke, Vandy, UNC, and Emory. Cornell is on the list because of their animal science program, but I think better QOL is in the South for AAs. I'm considering a retirement move to GA/TX/NC/AL years from now.

Good for you. There are many Black people who escaped the Deep South (Great Migration) and are not interested in returning. Especially not in this highly polarized political environment of red states and blue states.

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Anonymous wrote:Black students that go to these elite colleges come back messed up, they race racism from the faculty

meant face racism, i remember a black girl who was a dance major was told by a Harvard professor that she would have gotten a better grade if she focused on her science paper as much as she did dance

Sorry, but how is that racist? Anti-fine arts maybe?

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Bailey said that the majority of the University’s Black community consists of international and first-generation African students, causing many generational African Americans to feel “unfamiliar” with the Black community at Yale.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2023/09/13/we-need-this-space-yalies-establish-generational-african-american-student-association/

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Anonymous wrote:Bailey said that the majority of the University’s Black community consists of international and first-generation African students, causing many generational African Americans to feel “unfamiliar” with the Black community at Yale.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2023/09/13/we-need-this-space-yalies-establish-generational-african-american-student-association/

isn't this Xenophobia

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Anonymous wrote:I don't even know OF any UMC black families who are thinking about Duke, and in what world is it ranked higher than Harvard? I went to Penn, and the children of my peers are looking at high profile HBCUs and Ivies.

No one I know of is looking at Duke or Vandy. UVA is as far south as most black folks I know are willing to go UNLESS to go to an HBCU cause racist townies without the nurturing embrace of an entire school administration is suboptimal...

We're an UMC Black family. Duke was a top pick for DC, but after touring this spring it quickly fell off the list. DC has Ivies, HBCUs, a few state flagships, and a couple privates on the list.

Black America doesn't view Duke University the same way the rest of the country views Duke, to black americans, Duke might as well be Harvard South

I assume I’m part of the group the OP references. I’m an attorney (4th generation college graduate/3rd generation J&J, AKA, and Links/my children are private school lifers, etc…).

Duke seems like a fine university, but it’s not aspirational to me. I’ve never thought of it as better than any Ivy. I would even choose Cornell (especially Dyson) over Duke.

Cornell really? Seems pretty miserable unless the goal is to be an Alpha or something.

I'm from the south, first-generation. Duke was everything in comparison to ivies. I didn't really want to go, but I did apply to make my family happy. It was Duke, Howard/Spelman, and whatever HBCU your parents went to.The person saying they don't know any black students going South should actually visit the South where most of the Black American population is. A significant move back south has been occurring the past two decades and black students have moved more and more to schools like Emory than Cornell.

The people who don't see Vandy should know that it has the highest percent of black students in a university class of any top school.

+1. I'm from DC but have a ton of family in NC and strongly agree. I'm planning to take my kid to Duke, Vandy, UNC, and Emory. Cornell is on the list because of their animal science program, but I think better QOL is in the South for AAs. I'm considering a retirement move to GA/TX/NC/AL years from now.

Good for you. There are many Black people who escaped the Deep South (Great Migration) and are not interested in returning. Especially not in this highly polarized political environment of red states and blue states.

+1. Better quality of live in the south for AA is crazy to say. I had to read it 5 times.

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Anonymous wrote:Bailey said that the majority of the University’s Black community consists of international and first-generation African students, causing many generational African Americans to feel “unfamiliar” with the Black community at Yale.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2023/09/13/we-need-this-space-yalies-establish-generational-african-american-student-association/

It's funny seeing someone I grew up with in this article. The lack of black Americans in top universities is a real issue not "xenophobia" like a PP said. There's been a few colleges where students have tried to dissolve their BSU in order to spend more time on African student unions. Black american students also often get ousted from friend groups if they aren't Caribbean or Habesha for example. It can be a good thing to have generational African Americans as a group on campus.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't even know OF any UMC black families who are thinking about Duke, and in what world is it ranked higher than Harvard? I went to Penn, and the children of my peers are looking at high profile HBCUs and Ivies.

No one I know of is looking at Duke or Vandy. UVA is as far south as most black folks I know are willing to go UNLESS to go to an HBCU cause racist townies without the nurturing embrace of an entire school administration is suboptimal...

We're an UMC Black family. Duke was a top pick for DC, but after touring this spring it quickly fell off the list. DC has Ivies, HBCUs, a few state flagships, and a couple privates on the list.

Black America doesn't view Duke University the same way the rest of the country views Duke, to black americans, Duke might as well be Harvard South

I assume I’m part of the group the OP references. I’m an attorney (4th generation college graduate/3rd generation J&J, AKA, and Links/my children are private school lifers, etc…).

Duke seems like a fine university, but it’s not aspirational to me. I’ve never thought of it as better than any Ivy. I would even choose Cornell (especially Dyson) over Duke.

Cornell really? Seems pretty miserable unless the goal is to be an Alpha or something.

I'm from the south, first-generation. Duke was everything in comparison to ivies. I didn't really want to go, but I did apply to make my family happy. It was Duke, Howard/Spelman, and whatever HBCU your parents went to.The person saying they don't know any black students going South should actually visit the South where most of the Black American population is. A significant move back south has been occurring the past two decades and black students have moved more and more to schools like Emory than Cornell.

The people who don't see Vandy should know that it has the highest percent of black students in a university class of any top school.

+1. I'm from DC but have a ton of family in NC and strongly agree. I'm planning to take my kid to Duke, Vandy, UNC, and Emory. Cornell is on the list because of their animal science program, but I think better QOL is in the South for AAs. I'm considering a retirement move to GA/TX/NC/AL years from now.

Good for you. There are many Black people who escaped the Deep South (Great Migration) and are not interested in returning. Especially not in this highly polarized political environment of red states and blue states.

+1. Better quality of live in the south for AA is crazy to say. I had to read it 5 times.

Really just depends on who you are and what you value. There are very few places I've seen with the type of black connections and open black people like in Atlanta and other southern cities.

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Anonymous wrote:Bailey said that the majority of the University’s Black community consists of international and first-generation African students, causing many generational African Americans to feel “unfamiliar” with the Black community at Yale.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2023/09/13/we-need-this-space-yalies-establish-generational-african-american-student-association/

It's funny seeing someone I grew up with in this article. The lack of black Americans in top universities is a real issue not "xenophobia" like a PP said. There's been a few colleges where students have tried to dissolve their BSU in order to spend more time on African student unions. Black american students also often get ousted from friend groups if they aren't Caribbean or Habesha for example. It can be a good thing to have generational African Americans as a group on campus.

Like this thread has mentioned, that's why top schools in the south are getting more African Americans

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Anonymous wrote:Black students that go to these elite colleges come back messed up, they race racism from the faculty

meant face racism, i remember a black girl who was a dance major was told by a Harvard professor that she would have gotten a better grade if she focused on her science paper as much as she did dance

Sorry, but how is that racist? Anti-fine arts maybe?

that's not how a professor is supposed to talk to a student, that's how your parent talks to you

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Anonymous wrote:Black students that go to these elite colleges come back messed up, they race racism from the faculty

meant face racism, i remember a black girl who was a dance major was told by a Harvard professor that she would have gotten a better grade if she focused on her science paper as much as she did dance

Sorry, but how is that racist? Anti-fine arts maybe?

that's not how a professor is supposed to talk to a student, that's how your parent talks to you

DP. I’m Black and I don’t think what the professor said was racist. Speaking of her parents, they should have told her not to waste their money (or her time) by majoring in dance. It sounds like the entire family lacks common sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Black students that go to these elite colleges come back messed up, they race racism from the faculty

meant face racism, i remember a black girl who was a dance major was told by a Harvard professor that she would have gotten a better grade if she focused on her science paper as much as she did dance

Sorry, but how is that racist? Anti-fine arts maybe?

that's not how a professor is supposed to talk to a student, that's how your parent talks to you

DP. I’m Black and I don’t think what the professor said was racist. Speaking of her parents, they should have told her not to waste their money (or her time) by majoring in dance. It sounds like the entire family lacks common sense.

+1. In our home dance is a hobby, not a major. As a parent, the most I would tolerate is my child minoring in dance. Her major would have to be something viable on the job market that pays at least a living wage.