Surprised at Claremont Mckenna

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which Claremont school is good for pre-med?

Why pay that kind of money for premed? State flagship is the way to go.

For us, it was much cheaper than the state school.
Anyway, to answer PP's question Pomona has the best pre-med outcomes (number 1 Med School is Columbia, number 2 is Harvard) and the school has first semester P/NP grading for the genetics and intro chem course. A lot more help resources than the other Cs, Scripps/Pitzer classes are apparently very rigorous, so they are also good!

Must have been unusual circumstances. For most people that certainly won't be true.

It's not unusual for the majority of American families. Pomona has very strong financial aid, and currently are using their money to boost the amount of middle class students at the college. They attract people in the price-comparison stage, because they tend to be cheaper than other colleges. State colleges aren't even that cheap anymore and are grazing the 30-50k mark, worse for some if housing is an issue.

False. CMC is $91,550 a year. Google it

Yes. Financial aid exists. For most American families, Pomona, which is what that commenter was talking about, is cheaper than a state school, especially a flagship.

not true. Pomona makes decisions based upon the CSS. Most readers here will receive a "you are responsible for 100% of financial aid" determination on either the CSS or FAFSA, as we did = no financial aid and no merit for either child. The cap seems to be around $200k a year HHI.

All Slacs and private universities spread the myth that attending at their $88k+ school will be cheaper than in-state but it's rarely true unless the child drops down a tier and offers something extraordinary in exchange for merit.

The same privates boast "70% of our students receive financial aid!" but included in that figure are the students like my own who receive zero financial aid via FAFSA or CSS but take out the measly $5500 unsubsidized federal loan. I know this because I served on my slac's board. Run those NPCs, take a screenshot of it so you can argue with the school later, file the FAFSA and CSS early in fall of the senior year so you know your actual results early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which Claremont school is good for pre-med?

Why pay that kind of money for premed? State flagship is the way to go.

For us, it was much cheaper than the state school.
Anyway, to answer PP's question Pomona has the best pre-med outcomes (number 1 Med School is Columbia, number 2 is Harvard) and the school has first semester P/NP grading for the genetics and intro chem course. A lot more help resources than the other Cs, Scripps/Pitzer classes are apparently very rigorous, so they are also good!

Must have been unusual circumstances. For most people that certainly won't be true.

It's not unusual for the majority of American families. Pomona has very strong financial aid, and currently are using their money to boost the amount of middle class students at the college. They attract people in the price-comparison stage, because they tend to be cheaper than other colleges. State colleges aren't even that cheap anymore and are grazing the 30-50k mark, worse for some if housing is an issue.

False. CMC is $91,550 a year. Google it

Yes. Financial aid exists. For most American families, Pomona, which is what that commenter was talking about, is cheaper than a state school, especially a flagship.

not true. Pomona makes decisions based upon the CSS. Most readers here will receive a "you are responsible for 100% of financial aid" determination on either the CSS or FAFSA, as we did = no financial aid and no merit for either child. The cap seems to be around $200k a year HHI.

All Slacs and private universities spread the myth that attending at their $88k+ school will be cheaper than in-state but it's rarely true unless the child drops down a tier and offers something extraordinary in exchange for merit.

The same privates boast "70% of our students receive financial aid!" but included in that figure are the students like my own who receive zero financial aid via FAFSA or CSS but take out the measly $5500 unsubsidized federal loan. I know this because I served on my slac's board. Run those NPCs, take a screenshot of it so you can argue with the school later, file the FAFSA and CSS early in fall of the senior year so you know your actual results early.

Before you speak, can you do the net price calculator? You’re at the 80th percentile minimum of American households and your band of families- those who make more than $150k- are more than half of Pomona’s community: https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/opening-pomonas-doors-wider-for-middle-income-students/. I’m not sure how many crocodile tears can be produced for an upper class family complaining that schools that are majority comprised of their income bracket are out of reach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like many SLACs, the location sucks.

lol no you are an ignorant idiot

No, they are correct. Claremont is in an awful location. I was just there (also grew up there). Air quality is abysmal Traffic is horrendous. The consortium lies about being able to ski (Big Besr) in the morning and be in the beach in the afternoon. Hah! maybe in the 60s. You need a car to get anywhere. A relative went to Scripos and would never do it again

So it’s just like every other college that isn’t in an urban location?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which Claremont school is good for pre-med?

Why pay that kind of money for premed? State flagship is the way to go.

For us, it was much cheaper than the state school.
Anyway, to answer PP's question Pomona has the best pre-med outcomes (number 1 Med School is Columbia, number 2 is Harvard) and the school has first semester P/NP grading for the genetics and intro chem course. A lot more help resources than the other Cs, Scripps/Pitzer classes are apparently very rigorous, so they are also good!

Must have been unusual circumstances. For most people that certainly won't be true.

It's not unusual for the majority of American families. Pomona has very strong financial aid, and currently are using their money to boost the amount of middle class students at the college. They attract people in the price-comparison stage, because they tend to be cheaper than other colleges. State colleges aren't even that cheap anymore and are grazing the 30-50k mark, worse for some if housing is an issue.

False. CMC is $91,550 a year. Google it

Yes. Financial aid exists. For most American families, Pomona, which is what that commenter was talking about, is cheaper than a state school, especially a flagship.

not true. Pomona makes decisions based upon the CSS. Most readers here will receive a "you are responsible for 100% of financial aid" determination on either the CSS or FAFSA, as we did = no financial aid and no merit for either child. The cap seems to be around $200k a year HHI.

All Slacs and private universities spread the myth that attending at their $88k+ school will be cheaper than in-state but it's rarely true unless the child drops down a tier and offers something extraordinary in exchange for merit.

The same privates boast "70% of our students receive financial aid!" but included in that figure are the students like my own who receive zero financial aid via FAFSA or CSS but take out the measly $5500 unsubsidized federal loan. I know this because I served on my slac's board. Run those NPCs, take a screenshot of it so you can argue with the school later, file the FAFSA and CSS early in fall of the senior year so you know your actual results early.

Before you speak, can you do the net price calculator? You’re at the 80th percentile minimum of American households and your band of families- those who make more than $150k- are more than half of Pomona’s community: https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/opening-pomonas-doors-wider-for-middle-income-students/. I’m not sure how many crocodile tears can be produced for an upper class family complaining that schools that are majority comprised of their income bracket are out of reach.

No one is shedding crocodile tears. This is not a question of emotions or justice. No one even said Pomona is “out of reach” for families making $150k+. Just economically irrational.

As the PP pointed out, for families making $150k (which, as you point out, is most families at Pomona)—the state flagship is in fact cheaper. Schools like Pomona make sense for less affluent families if they can get in. But most can’t, because grades, scores, ECs, and hooks are highly correlated with HHI. Schools like Pomona also make sense for those so wealthy they won’t notice a stray $200,000 here or there. But for families in between, it’s extremely difficult to rationalize the marginal expense over the cost of a flagship. Which is why those in-between families, who are overrepresented among high stats kids applying to college, are underrepresented at schools like Pomona. Again, that’s not a complaint about injustice. It’s just a fact. Whatever their origins, nowadays flagships exist for high-performing UMC students, while private schools are for the rich and poor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which Claremont school is good for pre-med?

Why pay that kind of money for premed? State flagship is the way to go.

For us, it was much cheaper than the state school.
Anyway, to answer PP's question Pomona has the best pre-med outcomes (number 1 Med School is Columbia, number 2 is Harvard) and the school has first semester P/NP grading for the genetics and intro chem course. A lot more help resources than the other Cs, Scripps/Pitzer classes are apparently very rigorous, so they are also good!

Must have been unusual circumstances. For most people that certainly won't be true.

It's not unusual for the majority of American families. Pomona has very strong financial aid, and currently are using their money to boost the amount of middle class students at the college. They attract people in the price-comparison stage, because they tend to be cheaper than other colleges. State colleges aren't even that cheap anymore and are grazing the 30-50k mark, worse for some if housing is an issue.

False. CMC is $91,550 a year. Google it

Yes. Financial aid exists. For most American families, Pomona, which is what that commenter was talking about, is cheaper than a state school, especially a flagship.

not true. Pomona makes decisions based upon the CSS. Most readers here will receive a "you are responsible for 100% of financial aid" determination on either the CSS or FAFSA, as we did = no financial aid and no merit for either child. The cap seems to be around $200k a year HHI.

All Slacs and private universities spread the myth that attending at their $88k+ school will be cheaper than in-state but it's rarely true unless the child drops down a tier and offers something extraordinary in exchange for merit.

The same privates boast "70% of our students receive financial aid!" but included in that figure are the students like my own who receive zero financial aid via FAFSA or CSS but take out the measly $5500 unsubsidized federal loan. I know this because I served on my slac's board. Run those NPCs, take a screenshot of it so you can argue with the school later, file the FAFSA and CSS early in fall of the senior year so you know your actual results early.

Before you speak, can you do the net price calculator? You’re at the 80th percentile minimum of American households and your band of families- those who make more than $150k- are more than half of Pomona’s community: https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/opening-pomonas-doors-wider-for-middle-income-students/. I’m not sure how many crocodile tears can be produced for an upper class family complaining that schools that are majority comprised of their income bracket are out of reach.

No one is shedding crocodile tears. This is not a question of emotions or justice. No one even said Pomona is “out of reach” for families making $150k+. Just economically irrational.

As the PP pointed out, for families making $150k (which, as you point out, is most families at Pomona)—the state flagship is in fact cheaper. Schools like Pomona make sense for less affluent families if they can get in. But most can’t, because grades, scores, ECs, and hooks are highly correlated with HHI. Schools like Pomona also make sense for those so wealthy they won’t notice a stray $200,000 here or there. But for families in between, it’s extremely difficult to rationalize the marginal expense over the cost of a flagship. Which is why those in-between families, who are overrepresented among high stats kids applying to college, are underrepresented at schools like Pomona. Again, that’s not a complaint about injustice. It’s just a fact. Whatever their origins, nowadays flagships exist for high-performing UMC students, while private schools are for the rich and poor.

I think you missed the part of the discussion where it can actually be cheaper for families making 150k to go to Pomona vs a state school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which Claremont school is good for pre-med?

Why pay that kind of money for premed? State flagship is the way to go.

For us, it was much cheaper than the state school.
Anyway, to answer PP's question Pomona has the best pre-med outcomes (number 1 Med School is Columbia, number 2 is Harvard) and the school has first semester P/NP grading for the genetics and intro chem course. A lot more help resources than the other Cs, Scripps/Pitzer classes are apparently very rigorous, so they are also good!

Must have been unusual circumstances. For most people that certainly won't be true.

It's not unusual for the majority of American families. Pomona has very strong financial aid, and currently are using their money to boost the amount of middle class students at the college. They attract people in the price-comparison stage, because they tend to be cheaper than other colleges. State colleges aren't even that cheap anymore and are grazing the 30-50k mark, worse for some if housing is an issue.

False. CMC is $91,550 a year. Google it

Yes. Financial aid exists. For most American families, Pomona, which is what that commenter was talking about, is cheaper than a state school, especially a flagship.

not true. Pomona makes decisions based upon the CSS. Most readers here will receive a "you are responsible for 100% of financial aid" determination on either the CSS or FAFSA, as we did = no financial aid and no merit for either child. The cap seems to be around $200k a year HHI.

All Slacs and private universities spread the myth that attending at their $88k+ school will be cheaper than in-state but it's rarely true unless the child drops down a tier and offers something extraordinary in exchange for merit.

The same privates boast "70% of our students receive financial aid!" but included in that figure are the students like my own who receive zero financial aid via FAFSA or CSS but take out the measly $5500 unsubsidized federal loan. I know this because I served on my slac's board. Run those NPCs, take a screenshot of it so you can argue with the school later, file the FAFSA and CSS early in fall of the senior year so you know your actual results early.

Before you speak, can you do the net price calculator? You’re at the 80th percentile minimum of American households and your band of families- those who make more than $150k- are more than half of Pomona’s community: https://magazine.pomona.edu/2024/spring/opening-pomonas-doors-wider-for-middle-income-students/. I’m not sure how many crocodile tears can be produced for an upper class family complaining that schools that are majority comprised of their income bracket are out of reach.

No one is shedding crocodile tears. This is not a question of emotions or justice. No one even said Pomona is “out of reach” for families making $150k+. Just economically irrational.

As the PP pointed out, for families making $150k (which, as you point out, is most families at Pomona)—the state flagship is in fact cheaper. Schools like Pomona make sense for less affluent families if they can get in. But most can’t, because grades, scores, ECs, and hooks are highly correlated with HHI. Schools like Pomona also make sense for those so wealthy they won’t notice a stray $200,000 here or there. But for families in between, it’s extremely difficult to rationalize the marginal expense over the cost of a flagship. Which is why those in-between families, who are overrepresented among high stats kids applying to college, are underrepresented at schools like Pomona. Again, that’s not a complaint about injustice. It’s just a fact. Whatever their origins, nowadays flagships exist for high-performing UMC students, while private schools are for the rich and poor.

Kids in the 80%-98% income range are over represented at both top state schools and top private schools. The top private schools do have more kids in the top 2% income range...maybe 10% of the class.

[Anonymous]

Word on the curb is the colleges are all becoming one university shared by residential colleges. If true, this is big! Likely will see a surge in apps with a shared 1500 spots per class!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Word on the curb is the colleges are all becoming one university shared by residential colleges. If true, this is big! Likely will see a surge in apps with a shared 1500 spots per class!

When?!?

My kid already submitted CMC app due Friday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Word on the curb is the colleges are all becoming one university shared by residential colleges. If true, this is big! Likely will see a surge in apps with a shared 1500 spots per class!

This is not true. Just nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Their integrated sciences program sounds borderline predatory. Instead of having you major in a natural science, they basically want you to major in "Science" and take classes in "Science" with no direct department. That's really dangerous for students who need careers in specific sciences, and they should probably investigate how much interest there even is. Do Claremont Mckenna students even want to do science majors? Seems like a very poly sci/econ heavy place.

I would think it is a huge disadvantage to graduate with a degree in “science.”

100%, this is a low grade college

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word on the curb is the colleges are all becoming one university shared by residential colleges. If true, this is big! Likely will see a surge in apps with a shared 1500 spots per class!

This is not true. Just nonsense.

Oh. Bummer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Word on the curb is the colleges are all becoming one university shared by residential colleges. If true, this is big! Likely will see a surge in apps with a shared 1500 spots per class!

This is not true. Just nonsense.

Why would someone make this up? If true, applications to the Claremont Colleges would’ve shot through the roof.

[Anonymous]

I mean the schools overlap like 80% now so I don’t see what the benefit (or big deal) would be about a merger. They probably benefit from appearing to gave individual personalities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean the schools overlap like 80% now so I don’t see what the benefit (or big deal) would be about a merger. They probably benefit from appearing to gave individual personalities.

Definitely. Weird rumor and reactions.

[Anonymous]

is there a link to the rumor?