Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t Say Gay is ludicrous.

A Don’t Say Gay law at the college level? Come on.

So you support pre-school and kindergarten teachers talking with their kids about the kids gender identity and sexual orientation? Interestingly, when the actual content of the law is described to people, over 70% approve.

That might make sense if any preschool or kindergarten teachers were actually talking with kids about those topics. They aren't and weren't, not even in Florida. Just another example of a crisis created to panic those who aren't aware of reality but are gullible enough to believe such crap.

So, you’re against that, but don’t want a law passed because it “wasn’t happening”. If it’s not happening, then the law changed nothing. Why were so many people upset if that was the case?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t Say Gay is ludicrous.

A Don’t Say Gay law at the college level? Come on.

So you support pre-school and kindergarten teachers talking with their kids about the kids gender identity and sexual orientation? Interestingly, when the actual content of the law is described to people, over 70% approve.

That might make sense if any preschool or kindergarten teachers were actually talking with kids about those topics. They aren't and weren't, not even in Florida. Just another example of a crisis created to panic those who aren't aware of reality but are gullible enough to believe such crap.

But they are. Not all teachers and not everywhere, but it does happen. The bill was to pre-empt that happening in Florida. If parents want to cover that, then fine. But it didn’t belong in schools for little kids coming from a position of authority/teaching.

One Massachusetts kindergarten teacher gives children lessons on pronouns, including gender-neutral pronouns “they” and “ze,” and introduces them to concepts including trans identities and “gender queer,” he told The Washington Post. He doesn’t fully define the terms because it would be “too much” for kindergarteners.
“We don’t say a penis belongs to a man,” he told The Washington Post. He instead teaches that a penis belongs to a human, and that doctors sometimes get it wrong when determining a newborn baby’s gender.
Kara Haug, a sex-ed teacher in the Sacramento area, claimed she didn’t bring up gender identity in her classes but would simply answer students’ questions when they arose, she told The Washington Post. When one student asked her if she could stop her period if she felt like a boy, for example, she explained how hormones work.
Several states require that school curricula include LGBT topics, and multiple curriculum plans addressing transgender and gender ideology have come into use in schools, according to The Washington Post.
One of these lessons, titled “Pink, Blue and Purple,” instructs teachers to ask first graders how they know what gender they are and then explain that gender identity is a feeling and is not based on one’s body parts. It was developed by Advocates for Youth, a youth-oriented sexual health group.

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Anonymous wrote:People here VASTLY overestimate the effect local politics has on a college’s applicants. Have Texas and Rice suffered? Most DCUMers would donate a kidney to get into Rice. They’ve been conservative forever. When Michigan and Pennsylvania went for Trump, did that negatively impact apps to UMichigan or Penn or CMU or Swarthmore? People flood Duke and UNCCH and Davidson. Why do you think Florida is somehow the one place people would avoid going because of its politic?

Rice and Houston are both quite liberal. I sent my son there hoping that it would be more balanced, but it really wasn't.

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My DD is at UF currently and she loves it! Both DH and I attended Ivy schools. We moved to Florida from NYC during Covid. She has 3 gay friends that are current students at UF and they love UF too. It’s a fantastic school. Go Gators!

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t Say Gay is ludicrous.

A Don’t Say Gay law at the college level? Come on.

So you support pre-school and kindergarten teachers talking with their kids about the kids gender identity and sexual orientation? Interestingly, when the actual content of the law is described to people, over 70% approve.

That might make sense if any preschool or kindergarten teachers were actually talking with kids about those topics. They aren't and weren't, not even in Florida. Just another example of a crisis created to panic those who aren't aware of reality but are gullible enough to believe such crap.

But they are. Not all teachers and not everywhere, but it does happen. The bill was to pre-empt that happening in Florida. If parents want to cover that, then fine. But it didn’t belong in schools for little kids coming from a position of authority/teaching.

One Massachusetts kindergarten teacher gives children lessons on pronouns, including gender-neutral pronouns “they” and “ze,” and introduces them to concepts including trans identities and “gender queer,” he told The Washington Post. He doesn’t fully define the terms because it would be “too much” for kindergarteners.
“We don’t say a penis belongs to a man,” he told The Washington Post. He instead teaches that a penis belongs to a human, and that doctors sometimes get it wrong when determining a newborn baby’s gender.
Kara Haug, a sex-ed teacher in the Sacramento area, claimed she didn’t bring up gender identity in her classes but would simply answer students’ questions when they arose, she told The Washington Post. When one student asked her if she could stop her period if she felt like a boy, for example, she explained how hormones work.
Several states require that school curricula include LGBT topics, and multiple curriculum plans addressing transgender and gender ideology have come into use in schools, according to The Washington Post.
One of these lessons, titled “Pink, Blue and Purple,” instructs teachers to ask first graders how they know what gender they are and then explain that gender identity is a feeling and is not based on one’s body parts. It was developed by Advocates for Youth, a youth-oriented sexual health group.

Good for those teachers. I am so happy to hear we are familiarizing our youngest children with these concepts so they are accepting and inclusive when they get older. It’s useful antidote to the indoctrination some of them receive on Sundays in buildings where they are taught about a man from 2,000 years ago being a zombie.

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Anonymous wrote:400 professors fled from the UF system in one year. Accreditation at risk.

I know a couple, can confirm,

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Anonymous wrote:For as many of you who loathe DeSantis, there are two more who love him.

Yep. This is how he turned the state from purple to
Solid red with an influx of people moving from OOS. They moved to
Fl and became republicans.

? Desantis barely won.

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Anonymous wrote:The peer group one year behind DD is applying for college now. Between DD’s year and this year, there are several kids I know from moderately liberal families who are attending or are applying to SEC/Southern ACC schools for sun and fun, sports and Greek, good academics, reasonable cost. Alabama and UGA seem very popular, plus GT, NC State and Clemson engineering and CS. (UNC also, but it’s an almost impossible admit). App State in NC is fun without the sun and also popular. Red states (or purple for NC) per se aren’t scaring them away.

But, these families are steering clear of FL state colleges (and would normally have considered U of FL/ Miami a few years ago) because of concerns over what DeSantis did at New College and because he is acively directing policy, eliminating tenure, limiting what can be taught Etc. And faculty are starting to leave U of FL over DeSantis’s policies.

But, the big concern is not only what things look like in 2024, but where U if FL will be 3-5 years from now if DeSantis keeps interfering with the FL State college system or if Matt Gaetz runs for governor. And what the ROI will look like in 5-10 years if he continues to make social and academic policy at U FL and Miami.

These are parents who are pretty savvy about college admissions.

My kids looked at smaller schools. But FL state schools would concern me. My personal opinion is that governors should be more hands off with state colleges and let the Board of Governors do their jobs. State colleges should have stability and make decisions are free from politics and the culture wars as possible. It isn’t good for a college to have big policy changes every 4 years as administrations come and go. Not a Youngkin fan, but I’m very glad he hasn’t pulled a DeSantis with VA state colleges. VA has excellent state colleges and I will begrudgingly give him credit for not fixing what isn’t broken. DeSantis is actively breaking things. Maybe you like the direction he’s going. But if DeSantis can make huge changes on things like majors and classes feared and tenure, so can the next Governor.

Maybe PP and I know the same people, but this describes exactly what I'm seeing among our DMV friends. Southern schools, yes, but not in Florida.

Also hearing of reluctance by girls to apply to schools in states with draconian abortion policies.

What high school girls take abortion policy into account when they’re applying to college? If it’s that much in the fore front of their mind, teach them about birth control. Further, these out of staters would just come home if they needed an abortion. So, it’s mostly just political. People in this area look down upon Florida and these are the people who come up with these silly reasons why not to go to college in Florida - as if they were even considering it in the first place.

You know that birth control is not foolproof, right? For me, I would not want to give my money to a state that doesn't care about my DD's health.

I also look down on FL because the weather is awful, IMO. The humidity and mosquitos. Awful. And it's not just in the summer.

-dp

Now you’re criticizing Florida “the Sunshine State” for weather? LOL Never stop DCUM

no, I've always felt that way.

-former Californian

What does your weather preference have to do with anything?

my kids feel the same way about the weather.

Thank you for adding this completely irrelevant and obvious information on page 10. Really adds to the discussion!

"Are FL admissions easier now bc liberals are avoiding the state? " -- my kids are avoiding the state, in part due to the weather.

The weather in Florida has been relatively stable for many years. It’s not had any influence on changing admissions the past couple years or any tie to being liberal or not. Completely irrelevant.

Are you a climate change denier?

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Anonymous wrote:For as many of you who loathe DeSantis, there are two more who love him.

Yep. This is how he turned the state from purple to
Solid red with an influx of people moving from OOS. They moved to
Fl and became republicans.

? Desantis barely won.

In 2018.

In 2022 he won 60% in a blowout victory. Staggering victory for a FL governor and won even traditional D counties.

Florida is a rapidly growing state and the data does show it becoming redder and redder with the migration from other states. Speaking of which, the population growth means demand for state universities is strong.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t Say Gay is ludicrous.

A Don’t Say Gay law at the college level? Come on.

So you support pre-school and kindergarten teachers talking with their kids about the kids gender identity and sexual orientation? Interestingly, when the actual content of the law is described to people, over 70% approve.

That might make sense if any preschool or kindergarten teachers were actually talking with kids about those topics. They aren't and weren't, not even in Florida. Just another example of a crisis created to panic those who aren't aware of reality but are gullible enough to believe such crap.

So, you’re against that, but don’t want a law passed because it “wasn’t happening”. If it’s not happening, then the law changed nothing. Why were so many people upset if that was the case?

I'd say it's because the whole point of acting like such a law was needed was designed to get people like you fired up over a made up issue. Gullible. You are being manipulated.

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Florida lives rent free in a lot of heads. Such weirdos.

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Anonymous wrote:ONE governor is standing up to the Leftist drivel many professors spew, & you people are acting like the sky is falling. You know your view are fragile & will be exposed as ridiculous if students are exposed to opposing ideas.

The “leftist drivel” is academic freedom. It affects all types of folk, including STEM research profs. UF had done such a great job in attracting STEM talent and upping their research capabilities. That is all being threatened right now.

It’s a little rich to see someone presumably from the left championing academic freedom. That is a value the left has gleefully left behind.

I am not from “the left” in that I have voted for both parties at the fed level (although I regret those votes now - I was someone who really never thought Roe would be overturned). I grew up in Florida and my parents are still there.

There is a fundamental difference between the state curtailing your speech and feeling alone on campus because of your political views. The former is what Florida profs (STEM) are reacting to.

Let’s say you are teaching a ML class (really an applied math class). And you give the students a chance to look at housing data or something. And your students see that there is historical racial history that is demonstrated by the simple algorithms you are teaching. Are you “woke”? Whatever - you can live that accusation. The problem is if a student reported this, would you be found in violation of the law? Who knows? And who wants that type of headache? You can move 6 hours north, get hired at Georgia tech and avoid the whole thing. And the top tier prof is no longer at Florida. UF will still be able to offer the ML class. Students will still apply to UF. But repeat this over and over again. And tell me the quality of UF will not go down over time.

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Anonymous wrote:Florida lives rent free in a lot of heads. Such weirdos.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:ONE governor is standing up to the Leftist drivel many professors spew, & you people are acting like the sky is falling. You know your view are fragile & will be exposed as ridiculous if students are exposed to opposing ideas.

The “leftist drivel” is academic freedom. It affects all types of folk, including STEM research profs. UF had done such a great job in attracting STEM talent and upping their research capabilities. That is all being threatened right now.

It’s a little rich to see someone presumably from the left championing academic freedom. That is a value the left has gleefully left behind.

I am not from “the left” in that I have voted for both parties at the fed level (although I regret those votes now - I was someone who really never thought Roe would be overturned). I grew up in Florida and my parents are still there.

There is a fundamental difference between the state curtailing your speech and feeling alone on campus because of your political views. The former is what Florida profs (STEM) are reacting to.

Let’s say you are teaching a ML class (really an applied math class). And you give the students a chance to look at housing data or something. And your students see that there is historical racial history that is demonstrated by the simple algorithms you are teaching. Are you “woke”? Whatever - you can live that accusation. The problem is if a student reported this, would you be found in violation of the law? Who knows? And who wants that type of headache? You can move 6 hours north, get hired at Georgia tech and avoid the whole thing. And the top tier prof is no longer at Florida. UF will still be able to offer the ML class. Students will still apply to UF. But repeat this over and over again. And tell me the quality of UF will not go down over time.

I would beg to differ. For example, If you went to GT and were looking at police arrest data and/or mortgage repayment data and found that there was no discrimination, or that there was actually bias in the opposite direction you would have no chance to publish, and could very well face censure from the university and student body. Roland Fryer at Harvard dug into police shootings and found that blacks were 20% less likely to get shot than whites in identical circumstances. That basically put a bullseye on him. Take a look at this documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8xWOlk3WIw

ML models are constantly policed to make sure that “bias” is removed. In reality they’re simply modified until they produce politically correct but less accurate answers.

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