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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

+1

I believe that many of the pro-Palestine supporters are well-intentioned, concerned primarily with human rights and justice.

But their unwillingness to admit that many of their compatriots are NOT well-intentioned, support Hamas, are virulent anti-Semites, etc., is astonishing.

It reminds me of non-MAGA Trump voters. "I'm not racist! I voted for Trump b/c of lower taxes."

Yeah, but the guy standing next to you is wearing a white hood.

+1 well said and exactly correct.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

No I don’t cheer on protestors harassing Jewish restaurant owners just like I don’t cheer on the previous state official from the Bush and Obama administration harassing a street cart vendor and spewing Islamophobic statements asking if he rapes his daughter. I don’t support any such harassment but for you to solely focus on anti semitism and completely ignore the rampant Islamophobia shows your double standards. Still waiting on pictures or videos of posters and slogans by students of these universities in question where people have called for a genocide of Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

No I don’t cheer on protestors harassing Jewish restaurant owners just like I don’t cheer on the previous state official from the Bush and Obama administration harassing a street cart vendor and spewing Islamophobic statements asking if he rapes his daughter. I don’t support any such harassment but for you to solely focus on anti semitism and completely ignore the rampant Islamophobia shows your double standards. Still waiting on pictures or videos of posters and slogans by students of these universities in question where people have called for a genocide of Jews.

Nice job ignoring the post on the previous page that directly cites examples of support for Hamas (your previous criterion).

You're not serious about this at all--just playing propaganda games.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

+1

I believe that many of the pro-Palestine supporters are well-intentioned, concerned primarily with human rights and justice.

But their unwillingness to admit that many of their compatriots are NOT well-intentioned, support Hamas, are virulent anti-Semites, etc., is astonishing.

Jeff asked me to add this CNN article to the big Gaza thread, and I will do it.

But a CNN journalist’s experience - over a full decade - covering Hamas by meeting with Hamas, in Gaza, belongs here too.

Her insights are fascinating and worth considering, especially as she was there, on the ground, meeting face to face with Hamas:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/07/opinions/israel-hamas-gaza-media-press-prusher/index.html

Have the current college kids done their due-diligence? Do they know who they are are protesting for?

Or, are they being mislead?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

+1

I believe that many of the pro-Palestine supporters are well-intentioned, concerned primarily with human rights and justice.

But their unwillingness to admit that many of their compatriots are NOT well-intentioned, support Hamas, are virulent anti-Semites, etc., is astonishing.

Jeff asked me to add this CNN article to the big Gaza thread, and I will do it.

But a CNN journalist’s experience - over a full decade - covering Hamas by meeting with Hamas, in Gaza, belongs here too.

Her insights are fascinating and worth considering, especially as she was there, on the ground, meeting face to face with Hamas:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/07/opinions/israel-hamas-gaza-media-press-prusher/index.html

Have the current college kids done their due-diligence? Do they know who they are are protesting for?

Or, are they being mislead?

Thank you. This was a good article and maybe, possibly, it could serve to inspire more carefully-considered responses on DCUM?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

+1

I believe that many of the pro-Palestine supporters are well-intentioned, concerned primarily with human rights and justice.

But their unwillingness to admit that many of their compatriots are NOT well-intentioned, support Hamas, are virulent anti-Semites, etc., is astonishing.

Jeff asked me to add this CNN article to the big Gaza thread, and I will do it.

But a CNN journalist’s experience - over a full decade - covering Hamas by meeting with Hamas, in Gaza, belongs here too.

Her insights are fascinating and worth considering, especially as she was there, on the ground, meeting face to face with Hamas:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/07/opinions/israel-hamas-gaza-media-press-prusher/index.html

Have the current college kids done their due-diligence? Do they know who they are are protesting for?

Or, are they being mislead?

Thank you. This was a good article and maybe, possibly, it could serve to inspire more carefully-considered responses on DCUM?

+1

Everyone should read.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

+1

I believe that many of the pro-Palestine supporters are well-intentioned, concerned primarily with human rights and justice.

But their unwillingness to admit that many of their compatriots are NOT well-intentioned, support Hamas, are virulent anti-Semites, etc., is astonishing.

Jeff asked me to add this CNN article to the big Gaza thread, and I will do it.

But a CNN journalist’s experience - over a full decade - covering Hamas by meeting with Hamas, in Gaza, belongs here too.

Her insights are fascinating and worth considering, especially as she was there, on the ground, meeting face to face with Hamas:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/07/opinions/israel-hamas-gaza-media-press-prusher/index.html

Have the current college kids done their due-diligence? Do they know who they are are protesting for?

Or, are they being mislead?

The same question can be asked of anyone who supports Israel. If someone ask those question in America of Israel you lose your job and soon will be imprisoned.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

+1

I believe that many of the pro-Palestine supporters are well-intentioned, concerned primarily with human rights and justice.

But their unwillingness to admit that many of their compatriots are NOT well-intentioned, support Hamas, are virulent anti-Semites, etc., is astonishing.

Jeff asked me to add this CNN article to the big Gaza thread, and I will do it.

But a CNN journalist’s experience - over a full decade - covering Hamas by meeting with Hamas, in Gaza, belongs here too.

Her insights are fascinating and worth considering, especially as she was there, on the ground, meeting face to face with Hamas:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/07/opinions/israel-hamas-gaza-media-press-prusher/index.html

Have the current college kids done their due-diligence? Do they know who they are are protesting for?

Or, are they being mislead?

The same question can be asked of anyone who supports Israel. If someone ask those question in America of Israel you lose your job and soon will be imprisoned.

Re: the bolded, obviously, no one's going to jail for expressing their opinion.

How exactly does being ridiculous help your cause?

It's so dishonest. Just further damages your credibility.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

+1

I believe that many of the pro-Palestine supporters are well-intentioned, concerned primarily with human rights and justice.

But their unwillingness to admit that many of their compatriots are NOT well-intentioned, support Hamas, are virulent anti-Semites, etc., is astonishing.

Jeff asked me to add this CNN article to the big Gaza thread, and I will do it.

But a CNN journalist’s experience - over a full decade - covering Hamas by meeting with Hamas, in Gaza, belongs here too.

Her insights are fascinating and worth considering, especially as she was there, on the ground, meeting face to face with Hamas:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/07/opinions/israel-hamas-gaza-media-press-prusher/index.html

Have the current college kids done their due-diligence? Do they know who they are are protesting for?

Or, are they being mislead?

The same question can be asked of anyone who supports Israel. If someone ask those question in America of Israel you lose your job and soon will be imprisoned.

Wow. You’ve literally lost your mind. Insane.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

+1

I believe that many of the pro-Palestine supporters are well-intentioned, concerned primarily with human rights and justice.

But their unwillingness to admit that many of their compatriots are NOT well-intentioned, support Hamas, are virulent anti-Semites, etc., is astonishing.

Jeff asked me to add this CNN article to the big Gaza thread, and I will do it.

But a CNN journalist’s experience - over a full decade - covering Hamas by meeting with Hamas, in Gaza, belongs here too.

Her insights are fascinating and worth considering, especially as she was there, on the ground, meeting face to face with Hamas:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/07/opinions/israel-hamas-gaza-media-press-prusher/index.html

Have the current college kids done their due-diligence? Do they know who they are are protesting for?

Or, are they being mislead?

The same question can be asked of anyone who supports Israel. If someone ask those question in America of Israel you lose your job and soon will be imprisoned.

Imprisoned, huh? Did you hear that on YouTube, too?

Try reading the article and considering how journalists have been presenting the sources of the information they publish. Or do you not "do" professionally-produced media?

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

+1

I believe that many of the pro-Palestine supporters are well-intentioned, concerned primarily with human rights and justice.

But their unwillingness to admit that many of their compatriots are NOT well-intentioned, support Hamas, are virulent anti-Semites, etc., is astonishing.

Jeff asked me to add this CNN article to the big Gaza thread, and I will do it.

But a CNN journalist’s experience - over a full decade - covering Hamas by meeting with Hamas, in Gaza, belongs here too.

Her insights are fascinating and worth considering, especially as she was there, on the ground, meeting face to face with Hamas:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/07/opinions/israel-hamas-gaza-media-press-prusher/index.html

Have the current college kids done their due-diligence? Do they know who they are are protesting for?

Or, are they being mislead?

Really good article.

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Anonymous wrote:They bobbed and weaved like proper politicians avoiding truthful answers. It was appalling.

Sorry what was appalling? That the university presidents stand by the first amendment? That no matter how offensive the speech, as long as it doesn’t cross into active bullying or misconduct, it will be allowed? This goes both ways! No one is questioning the Israeli rally where they held posters like finish the job. Finish what job? Of killing all the Palestinian children?

There is nothing offensive about the word intifada or the phrase from the river to the sea. Intifada literally means uprising and yes it’s uprising against the Zionist occupation and the injustices the Palestinians suffer at their hands. It does not mean killing all the Jews or calling for the annihilation of Israel! Zionists need to stop being so insecure. Why are you so hell bent on suppressing free speech?

I think you know quite well what would happen if students chanted or spoke in similar fashion about Black American citizens, the LGBTQ community, women, unhoused individuals living on the streets, any group involving POC, etc. As should happen, I think. Why all the dodging by these three Ivy presidents when it comes to Jews?

But.the.rallies.are.not.talking.about.Jews.

How many times do I have to reiterate that? They are talking about Israel and the war crimes Israel is committing. No one should feel threatened as a Jew. If someone is protesting Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women, Muslims shouldn’t feel threatened either. Speaking against a country does NOT equate to speaking against an entire religion. They did not single out Jews. There are actually thousands of Jewish students taking part in these rallies! They singled out Israel and it’s constant bombing of civilians. Why do you feel so triggered and threatened?

DP.

But.some.people.at.the.rallies.ARE.talking.about.Jews.

Some.people.at.the.rallies.ABSOLUTELY.support.Hamas. and/or. the.annihilation.of.Israel.

How many times do we have to reiterate THAT?

It's an indisputable fact.

We've seen the signs, the chants, the posts all over this message board. We've seen the hostage posters torn down, the abhorrent social media posts. The vandalism at synagogues. The hate.

FFS, look around you. YOUR intentions may be pure/humanitarian, but the people you're standing with?

Get your head out of...the sand.

Please show me any images where students at these rallies are calling for Jewish genocide. Any video? Any pictures of the posters and slogans? Again criticism of a country’s actions does not equate to attacking a religious group. When students are calling for an end to military aid because that aid is being used to bomb children and women, it is NOT hate speech. When they are calling for a ceasefire, it is NOT hate speech. Just because they are speaking up for Palestinians, doesn’t mean they support Hamas.

The university presidents became intimidated by the questioning which is tragic. Yes they should have absolutely denounced any statements calling for the genocide of Jews but they also should have said we have seen no evidence of students chanting that or promoting that message or having caused harm to any student on campus.

I am not denying anti semitism exists but these students weren’t a part of it. Islamophobia exists too and we have seen lives lost because of that but I don’t see any outrage over that. Such double standards. I stand by my statement- you feel threatened by people speaking up for the other side.

NP. Okay, now we know you are absurd. The bolded is ridiculous.

I suppose you also cheer on the people who surrounded a small Jewish-owned falafel restaurant in Philadelphia and cheered “Goldie, Goldie you can’t hide, we charge you with genocide.” Students were there, too.

I’m not Jewish and have no ties to Israel whatsoever but the blatant denial of antisemitism and the threats are so obvious that only people deliberately trying to deny those facts can ignore it.

No I don’t cheer on protestors harassing Jewish restaurant owners just like I don’t cheer on the previous state official from the Bush and Obama administration harassing a street cart vendor and spewing Islamophobic statements asking if he rapes his daughter. I don’t support any such harassment but for you to solely focus on anti semitism and completely ignore the rampant Islamophobia shows your double standards. Still waiting on pictures or videos of posters and slogans by students of these universities in question where people have called for a genocide of Jews.

Nice job ignoring the post on the previous page that directly cites examples of support for Hamas (your previous criterion).

You're not serious about this at all--just playing propaganda games.

+1 sounds like a very liberal Ivy professor

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Having a viewpoint and acting on a viewpoint are not the same thing. Essentially, this is what the university presidents were trying to articulate at the hearing. They attempted to articulate the balance of allowing freedom of thought while prohibiting criminal activity motivated by thought.

Gay, Magill, and Kornbluth were put into an impossible situation. Charged emotions, desires to dismantle higher education, and efforts to score cheap political points all worked in various ways to derail the possibility of any meaningful conversation or discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Having a viewpoint and acting on a viewpoint are not the same thing. Essentially, this is what the university presidents were trying to articulate at the hearing. They attempted to articulate the balance of allowing freedom of thought while prohibiting criminal activity motivated by thought.

Gay, Magill, and Kornbluth were put into an impossible situation. Charged emotions, desires to dismantle higher education, and efforts to score cheap political points all worked in various ways to derail the possibility of any meaningful conversation or discussion.

Sooo...if they don't act on it "in context," you have no problem with Klansmen spewing hatred of Blacks?

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Anonymous wrote:Having a viewpoint and acting on a viewpoint are not the same thing. Essentially, this is what the university presidents were trying to articulate at the hearing. They attempted to articulate the balance of allowing freedom of thought while prohibiting criminal activity motivated by thought.

Gay, Magill, and Kornbluth were put into an impossible situation. Charged emotions, desires to dismantle higher education, and efforts to score cheap political points all worked in various ways to derail the possibility of any meaningful conversation or discussion.

Oh come on. Many, many people are called before Congress for very tricky situations and do fine overall, because they prepare well and aren’t arrogant. The problem is that these three aren’t used to any pushback and went in overconfident, underprepared, and arrogant.

The real issue here is that these three have set up their own systems at the schools so they don’t ever have to encounter any real thought challenges. So, they weren’t prepared. Congressional witnesses can be prepared successfully, but the speakers have to approach the process with humility and that obviously didn’t happen here.