What distinguishes an "average woman" from an "above average" woman for dating and marriage

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Anonymous wrote:I had a lot of high quality suitors when I was single and in my twenties.

I am naturally thin with large breasts. I have a pretty face, nice legs and great hair. I’m ivy educated. I always look polished. I wasn’t the prettiest but I was able to attract and more importantly keep the guys. I’m pleasant and a good conversationalist.

So if you are pretty, nice figure, smart and well educated, you are a good catch.

All of those are important, but I'd prefer a state university gal over ivy educated.

Why? Intimidated by women's intelligence or success?

You sound lovely. Plenty of intelligent and successful people go to state schools.

Really depends on where you live. I’m from NY and went to school in Boston. In Boston, I mostly met people from Harvard, MIT, Tufts and occasionally BU and BC. I worked in NYC after graduation and was surrounded by people from elite schools.

I have never lived in Texas or Florida. I’m sure their value system is different. There is tons of money and beauty. Probably not as many Princeton and Yale types.

This is snobbery/elitism, not an actual determination of what well-educated means.

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Anonymous wrote:I had a lot of high quality suitors when I was single and in my twenties.

I am naturally thin with large breasts. I have a pretty face, nice legs and great hair. I’m ivy educated. I always look polished. I wasn’t the prettiest but I was able to attract and more importantly keep the guys. I’m pleasant and a good conversationalist.

So if you are pretty, nice figure, smart and well educated, you are a good catch.

All of those are important, but I'd prefer a state university gal over ivy educated.

Why? Intimidated by women's intelligence or success?

You sound lovely. Plenty of intelligent and successful people go to state schools.

Really depends on where you live. I’m from NY and went to school in Boston. In Boston, I mostly met people from Harvard, MIT, Tufts and occasionally BU and BC. I worked in NYC after graduation and was surrounded by people from elite schools.

I have never lived in Texas or Florida. I’m sure their value system is different. There is tons of money and beauty. Probably not as many Princeton and Yale types.

This is snobbery/elitism, not an actual determination of what well-educated means.

A well educated person in Boston may be different than a well educated person in Minnesota.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a gold digger

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Anonymous wrote:I had a lot of high quality suitors when I was single and in my twenties.

I am naturally thin with large breasts. I have a pretty face, nice legs and great hair. I’m ivy educated. I always look polished. I wasn’t the prettiest but I was able to attract and more importantly keep the guys. I’m pleasant and a good conversationalist.

So if you are pretty, nice figure, smart and well educated, you are a good catch.

All of those are important, but I'd prefer a state university gal over ivy educated.

Why? Intimidated by women's intelligence or success?

You sound lovely. Plenty of intelligent and successful people go to state schools.

Really depends on where you live. I’m from NY and went to school in Boston. In Boston, I mostly met people from Harvard, MIT, Tufts and occasionally BU and BC. I worked in NYC after graduation and was surrounded by people from elite schools.

I have never lived in Texas or Florida. I’m sure their value system is different. There is tons of money and beauty. Probably not as many Princeton and Yale types.

This is snobbery/elitism, not an actual determination of what well-educated means.

A well educated person in Boston may be different than a well educated person in Minnesota.

No, Boston has a higher percentage of well-educated people. Your take is really myopic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What I see after many years in this area at least at my children’s Big 3 private school is most couples seem to both be from the same socio economic and educational background. Seems like people want to stick with their kind. I do not see any couples, for example, where the guy is an ivy educated Wasp and she’s just a very nice and pretty girl from the Bronx.

You would be surprised! Some couples do well with having one or both that is either or both street smart and book smart. You can not always tell by looking at them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really do think I'm above average in looks simply because the average American woman weighs 170 lbs and I weigh 120 lbs. And I have a pretty face that looks young for my age. I'm not career-obsessed but can carry my own weight in a partnership, making in the low six-figures. So not rich by any means but not looking to mooch off anyone.

It's my personality that brings me down several notches and I know it. I am a good friend, sister, and daughter and all and I try to be kind, but I'm just weird. I'm probably on the spectrum to some extent. I overthink and get fixated on things and I'm just eccentric. So I attract eccentric men who I just can't bring myself to like. I'll be alone forever, at least I like dogs.

Actually, you made some really important points about valuable traits, here.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen people on here reference “well-educated” several times as a trait of above average value women but what does that mean? College? Some grad school? JD or MBA? Does where you went to school matter at all?

I consider well educated as degrees that are somewhat prestigious like a JD from Yale or masters from Harvard.

I would not describe someone as well educated if she went to a large state school and majored in communications. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to a big state school but it is not someone I would describe as well educated.

So UVA grads are not well educated to you?

Correct. An average education.

This is how many people think - state school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen people on here reference “well-educated” several times as a trait of above average value women but what does that mean? College? Some grad school? JD or MBA? Does where you went to school matter at all?

I consider well educated as degrees that are somewhat prestigious like a JD from Yale or masters from Harvard.

I would not describe someone as well educated if she went to a large state school and majored in communications. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to a big state school but it is not someone I would describe as well educated.

So UVA grads are not well educated to you?

Correct. An average education.

This is how many people think - state school.

I’m the one who said I considered well educated to be someone who has an advanced degree from an elite university. Someone who is smart from a state school is above average. Graduating from UVA is above average. I was just responding previously to what was considered well educated. UVA is not average.

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Not crazy. This is #1.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen people on here reference “well-educated” several times as a trait of above average value women but what does that mean? College? Some grad school? JD or MBA? Does where you went to school matter at all?

I consider well educated as degrees that are somewhat prestigious like a JD from Yale or masters from Harvard.

I would not describe someone as well educated if she went to a large state school and majored in communications. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to a big state school but it is not someone I would describe as well educated.

So UVA grads are not well educated to you?

Not a rigorous education in many majors. But that is true at many schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen people on here reference “well-educated” several times as a trait of above average value women but what does that mean? College? Some grad school? JD or MBA? Does where you went to school matter at all?

I consider well educated as degrees that are somewhat prestigious like a JD from Yale or masters from Harvard.

I would not describe someone as well educated if she went to a large state school and majored in communications. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to a big state school but it is not someone I would describe as well educated.

So UVA grads are not well educated to you?

Not a rigorous education in many majors. But that is true at many schools.

Curious how you know this. Did your elite university offer a seminar on the rigor of all the majors offered at your university, as well as all the majors at all the other colleges and universities in the country?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen people on here reference “well-educated” several times as a trait of above average value women but what does that mean? College? Some grad school? JD or MBA? Does where you went to school matter at all?

I consider well educated as degrees that are somewhat prestigious like a JD from Yale or masters from Harvard.

I would not describe someone as well educated if she went to a large state school and majored in communications. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to a big state school but it is not someone I would describe as well educated.

So UVA grads are not well educated to you?

Not a rigorous education in many majors. But that is true at many schools.

Curious how you know this. Did your elite university offer a seminar on the rigor of all the majors offered at your university, as well as all the majors at all the other colleges and universities in the country?

Well, massive grade inflation over time when average hours of study has been in decline is an indicator.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:HVW has/can:
above average looks
above average style for herself and her house
advanced/terminal degree
high salary job
talk to anyone about anything
intelligence and curiosity
follow through on tasks and activities

Lol, women are so delusional - advanced degrees, a fancy job and a great conversationalist are what men *really* desire in a partner.

Ladies, those are the things *you* value in men, so you incorrectly assume that those are the things men, in turn, value in women. However, that would be like saying, "I want a man who is taller than me, so men must also desire women who are taller than them." See the problem with that? Often, men and women want opposite things in a mate.

What men really value are looks, kindness, submissiveness and an enthusiasm for sex. That's it. Want to be an above average woman? Improve in those four areas. Degrees don't even crack the top 20 criteria. In fact, anecdotally, the women I have dated who have had the most advanced degrees were often the most argumentative and least pleasant to be around (i.e., very low on kindness and submissiveness). So even if they had looks and liked sex, they were not "high value women" in my opinion.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve seen people on here reference “well-educated” several times as a trait of above average value women but what does that mean? College? Some grad school? JD or MBA? Does where you went to school matter at all?

I consider well educated as degrees that are somewhat prestigious like a JD from Yale or masters from Harvard.

I would not describe someone as well educated if she went to a large state school and majored in communications. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going to a big state school but it is not someone I would describe as well educated.

So UVA grads are not well educated to you?

Not a rigorous education in many majors. But that is true at many schools.

Curious how you know this. Did your elite university offer a seminar on the rigor of all the majors offered at your university, as well as all the majors at all the other colleges and universities in the country?

Well, massive grade inflation over time when average hours of study has been in decline is an indicator.

Well there goes Yale, too, I guess.

[Anonymous]

Men want a woman who is hot/pretty but classy but in private likes sex; is kind; submissive but practical/not an albatross; is a good mother who takes most of the menial day to day burden off them except the fun/high impact dad stuff; can have an intelligent conversation; is loyal; and thrilled to be living on whatever salary the man earns. If she also earns money great, but being happy on the man’s income alone is a recipe for success, whatever that number is. Bonus points if you are socially connected and can help advance his career and get your kids into top schools.