White flight from MCPS

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

You've been to every single DCC high school and walked in every single classroom? Wow!

Obviously that's wrong or just made up. They're confiscated at our DCC school too.

Which school confiscates phones? I'm asking this seriously- our middle school does not enforce cell phone rules at all and I want different for HS. It's such a distraction even when your kids are following the rules.

Ours does (in clarksburg). First offense in a quarter you lose it until the end of day. Second time, your parents are notified. Third time, a parent has to come to school to get it.

That is what they tell you the policy is. In actuality, if a teacher tries to confiscate a phone, the teacher is accused of not having a good relationship with their students. The teacher is told that the teacher is the problem. As a result, teachers try to do the best they can, but do not confiscate phones.

One admin was heard explaining that everyone is addicted to their phone. That teachers need to work around it. This is after the administrator admitted being addicted to the phone too and that it is not a big deal to check messages in the middle of a conversation with staff.

Um, I was talking about the Clarksburg MS I work in. We do confiscate phones.

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My middle school son is hearing that the bathrooms in the feeder high school all smell like weed. There is good reason for anyone to take flight if they can

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

That’s how it reads to me. That immigrants have an absolute right to be here.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

The U.S. "relies on immigrant labor" but then does not invest in men who do not work in the United States (who resort to welfare or crime to survive) and we also don't automate jobs that have been automated elsewhere (like meat packing). This policy decision, funded by the Chamber of Commerce, is having a terrible impact on education in both MoCo and the entire country.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

Montgomery County encourages an influx of illegal immigrants. This affects our schools. As such, it is most definitely now an educational policy issue. It affects the budget and it affects staffing. Definitely needs to be discussed and addressed instead of ignored.

No, Montgomery County doesn't. And MCPS also doesn't.

You haven't been here very long if you believe this. Montgomery County was an early adopter of things like free health care for illegals, day laborer centers, etc. that absolutely kicked off chain migration to the county.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

Montgomery County encourages an influx of illegal immigrants. This affects our schools. As such, it is most definitely now an educational policy issue. It affects the budget and it affects staffing. Definitely needs to be discussed and addressed instead of ignored.

No, Montgomery County doesn't. And MCPS also doesn't.

Montgomery County sure does. Our political leaders want an influx of cheap labor so that our business owners can keep their businesses running cheaply and so that slum landlords can take in extra income.

We offer an incredible amount of services to undocumented immigrants and we have basically created an entire underground cash economy to accommodate undocumented workers.

Are you saying that Montgomery County is unwelcoming to undocumented immigrants? That is laughable.

That's not why they do it.

They do it because they are kumbaya progressive liberals.

Agreed. They do it because they are progressive liberals. No way MoCo is doing anything that favors business. They've passed too many anti-business legislation to suddenly change their tact.

As for MCPS, they get stuck with the fallout. They are required to educate regardless of immigration status (Plyer vs Doe supreme court ruling).

So of course it's a huge cost and effort to educate kids who come from little education and often a traumatic childhood too, and fewer resources are directed to other kids. It's no wonder that those with means leave for private.

This is complete nonsense. Business benefits from the exploitation of cheap labor. If there were not such "opportunities", people wouldn't come here.

You must not run a business in MoCo if you think that MoCo policies are designed to be pro-business. It's the most anti-business jurisdiction in the DMV. There's a reason Fairfax and Loudoun usually win when it comes to companies setting up their HQ in the area.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

This is totally irrelevant to the conversation. Admitting immigrants in the past doesn't obligate us to do it now. Especially at the level we have now, where the Percentage Foreign Born is at record levels.

AKA "I got mine!"

That's what countries do. They decide what is beneficial to their citizens and pursue that policy. Apparently except for us. We are not obligated to take in anyone who wants to come here. I got mine between the 1660s and 1871. Our ancestors built our society and we should be able to benefit from that.

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NP here - please explain the main issues here. We are in Westland/ BCC zone and friends are in Pyle/Whitman zone. As far as I know these are good schools. My kid just started 6th grade. As far as I know Churchill zone is excellent too.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here - please explain the main issues here. We are in Westland/ BCC zone and friends are in Pyle/Whitman zone. As far as I know these are good schools. My kid just started 6th grade. As far as I know Churchill zone is excellent too.

All the schools you mentioned are where there are higher concentrations of white kids with higher SES. So you should be fine. For now. But MCPS is on a downward trajectory so who knows how long the W schools will remain desirable.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here - please explain the main issues here. We are in Westland/ BCC zone and friends are in Pyle/Whitman zone. As far as I know these are good schools. My kid just started 6th grade. As far as I know Churchill zone is excellent too.

This is mostly fear mongering I wouldn't take all these anecdotes too seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:White family, moved here for the schools we thought were excellent, zoned for a W.

All I can say is, what a sh*tshow/dumpster fire.

Kids now attend private.

What happened?

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Anonymous wrote:NP here - please explain the main issues here. We are in Westland/ BCC zone and friends are in Pyle/Whitman zone. As far as I know these are good schools. My kid just started 6th grade. As far as I know Churchill zone is excellent too.

These are both excellent school districts. You have nothing to worry about.

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Anonymous wrote:NP here - please explain the main issues here. We are in Westland/ BCC zone and friends are in Pyle/Whitman zone. As far as I know these are good schools. My kid just started 6th grade. As far as I know Churchill zone is excellent too.

All the schools you mentioned are where there are higher concentrations of white kids with higher SES. So you should be fine. For now. But MCPS is on a downward trajectory so who knows how long the W schools will remain desirable.

all schools would be good if they ended the segregation that concentrates poverty by diversifying the 40 year old gerrymandered boundaries

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

You've been to every single DCC high school and walked in every single classroom? Wow!

Obviously that's wrong or just made up. They're confiscated at our DCC school too.

Which school confiscates phones? I'm asking this seriously- our middle school does not enforce cell phone rules at all and I want different for HS. It's such a distraction even when your kids are following the rules.

Ours does (in clarksburg). First offense in a quarter you lose it until the end of day. Second time, your parents are notified. Third time, a parent has to come to school to get it.

That is what they tell you the policy is. In actuality, if a teacher tries to confiscate a phone, the teacher is accused of not having a good relationship with their students. The teacher is told that the teacher is the problem. As a result, teachers try to do the best they can, but do not confiscate phones.

One admin was heard explaining that everyone is addicted to their phone. That teachers need to work around it. This is after the administrator admitted being addicted to the phone too and that it is not a big deal to check messages in the middle of a conversation with staff.

Um, I was talking about the Clarksburg MS I work in. We do confiscate phones.

Sounds like a good contingent of teachers need to take this up with Admin and if they don’t allow enforcement of a policy take it up with MCDA or their school’s district supervisor.