White flight from MCPS

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Anonymous wrote:Aaron Needle and Samuel Sheinbein. Kennedy High School

There was a crazy group of kids in the Kennedy area at that time. This wasn’t gang related. There were a bunch of weird guys on drugs and some had obvious mental health issues.

My younger sibling knew this crowd back in the day. Sheinbein went nuts.

Here’s the thing, though, gang violence in MCPS is always personal and involves gang members or affiliates. A bunch of weird guys with drug abuse and mental health issues could attack anyone. I’d rather deal with a gang at my school. The last three years, the most disruptive and scariest MS students I’ve had were middle class white boys with obvious anger issues, but no ED code. When a boy ripped up his paper and stomped on a book until the spine broke, I was told this is his ADHD. When another boy muttered curses (not profanity, but spells) and said a group of girls were “just dead cows”, I was told this is his ADHD. This year, I have one with no code at all and, although he walks around grunting loudly, simply takes anything he wants, then makes bull horns and pretends to charge by scraping his feet like hooves if you ask him to stop, I was told that we were not to bother his family. Dad is a lawyer.

This is such an uneducated reply by the MCPS administrators, and just serves to further stigmatise ADHD. ADHD often presents with other disorders - what you may be observing is oppositional defiance disorder or something else. There are many people with severe ADHD (myself and my family included) who are respectful, well educated, and positive members of the community.

That said, the “mainstreaming” of those with certain disorders is wreaking havoc (sorry wreakhavoc if you see this!) on our schools.

Parents also need to parent, and far too few do, especially in this area with so many people stressed to the max over unreasonable jobs and commutes.

Better "parenting" could help with the little stuff, but the most troublesome kids need far more significant interventions, which is hard even when the parent WANTS help.

I’m the 09:44 poster you replied to and yes, I agree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Aaron Needle and Samuel Sheinbein. Kennedy High School

There was a crazy group of kids in the Kennedy area at that time. This wasn’t gang related. There were a bunch of weird guys on drugs and some had obvious mental health issues.

My younger sibling knew this crowd back in the day. Sheinbein went nuts.

Here’s the thing, though, gang violence in MCPS is always personal and involves gang members or affiliates. A bunch of weird guys with drug abuse and mental health issues could attack anyone. I’d rather deal with a gang at my school. The last three years, the most disruptive and scariest MS students I’ve had were middle class white boys with obvious anger issues, but no ED code. When a boy ripped up his paper and stomped on a book until the spine broke, I was told this is his ADHD. When another boy muttered curses (not profanity, but spells) and said a group of girls were “just dead cows”, I was told this is his ADHD. This year, I have one with no code at all and, although he walks around grunting loudly, simply takes anything he wants, then makes bull horns and pretends to charge by scraping his feet like hooves if you ask him to stop, I was told that we were not to bother his family. Dad is a lawyer.

I get what you are saying. But Sheinbein wasn’t a menace to the community or school. He ended up murdering a friend.

And I’ve heard similar sentiments from MoCo staffers from various agencies along the lines of, “No need to worry about the Latino gang violence because they only kill each other…it’s not like the black gang violence in the 90s that spilled out into public spaces in CA/NY or what happens in Baltimore.”

That’s a very dangerous mindset because it accepts the low level crime already happening in terms of break-ins/theft and car accidents (oof, the drunk driving is really bad among Latinos) and doesn’t anticipate the more serious crime that is sure to come. It’s a numbers thing coupled with escalation when subcultural norms that drove countless people to leave danger and poor ways in Central America are suddenly the dominant culture in entire schools and neighborhoods.

Heck, just focus on what the county has already documented: chronic absenteeism (which they are now aggressively using as a tool to unenroll these problematic kids) and the dramatic decline of our tax base (aging affluent white population being replaced by Latinos and other immigrants (including Asians) who operate cash businesses and aren’t paying their fair share of taxes. Both are negatively impacting our schools which are obviously in decline.

If you have kids in mcps in Bethesda, CC, Kensington or Potomac, please don’t poo poo the critics. You aren’t dealing with this in any meaningful way. Ditto to TP and anyone in a HGC or magnet.

Mcps panicked when test scores started to decline and their previously pristine record and nationally regarded public school reputation changed. Their solution was to lower the bar so everyone would succeed. Instead they created a race to the bottom and everyone suffered. The curriculum is ridiculous. No grammar?!?! No rigor?!?! California is reinstating cursive and I bet mcps will add it back in 5 years or so.

I’d pay more taxes if the schools were better. Seriously.

Instead, I’m exploring private high school.

Good for you. It’s what we did too. The privates (including many religiously affiliated schools) are more like what public high schools were like 40 years ago, except of course they are more diverse, which is great, because you see minority kids as leaders. Students thrive in schools where discipline, high expectations, smaller classrooms, and a supportive community exist. Good luck to you.

And yet here you are, posting on the MCPS forum, for some reason.

Their posts are just fabrications to push their far-right agenda.

OMG. PP here; I campaigned for Marc Elrich, our county exec; do the same on every Democratic campaign. This is the problem - you think anyone who believes something is wrong is far right. You could not be further from the truth.

Sure, of course, you are a lifelong dem diehard progressive who is just espousing far-right views.... Got it.

I’m 9:50 and 10:37. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else. What far right views are you talking about? Is it the fact that I pulled my kids from MCPS and sent them to private because the school could not enforce discipline? My kids were suffering because of the behavior of a few. The majority of kids and teachers in MCPS are fine, why do we allow the out of control few to negatively impact so many? You call that a right wing view??

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Can you blame them?

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Given the video of the group of black teens at BCC chasing down a two white teenagers and kicking and stomping them after the football game, not sure how anyone could find fault with that. When people want to allow trash behavior, make excuses, and not protect kids, GOOD parents will react accordingly, assess the situation, and pivot. They deserve applause!

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Anonymous wrote:Aaron Needle and Samuel Sheinbein. Kennedy High School

There was a crazy group of kids in the Kennedy area at that time. This wasn’t gang related. There were a bunch of weird guys on drugs and some had obvious mental health issues.

My younger sibling knew this crowd back in the day. Sheinbein went nuts.

Here’s the thing, though, gang violence in MCPS is always personal and involves gang members or affiliates. A bunch of weird guys with drug abuse and mental health issues could attack anyone. I’d rather deal with a gang at my school. The last three years, the most disruptive and scariest MS students I’ve had were middle class white boys with obvious anger issues, but no ED code. When a boy ripped up his paper and stomped on a book until the spine broke, I was told this is his ADHD. When another boy muttered curses (not profanity, but spells) and said a group of girls were “just dead cows”, I was told this is his ADHD. This year, I have one with no code at all and, although he walks around grunting loudly, simply takes anything he wants, then makes bull horns and pretends to charge by scraping his feet like hooves if you ask him to stop, I was told that we were not to bother his family. Dad is a lawyer.

I get what you are saying. But Sheinbein wasn’t a menace to the community or school. He ended up murdering a friend.

And I’ve heard similar sentiments from MoCo staffers from various agencies along the lines of, “No need to worry about the Latino gang violence because they only kill each other…it’s not like the black gang violence in the 90s that spilled out into public spaces in CA/NY or what happens in Baltimore.”

That’s a very dangerous mindset because it accepts the low level crime already happening in terms of break-ins/theft and car accidents (oof, the drunk driving is really bad among Latinos) and doesn’t anticipate the more serious crime that is sure to come. It’s a numbers thing coupled with escalation when subcultural norms that drove countless people to leave danger and poor ways in Central America are suddenly the dominant culture in entire schools and neighborhoods.

Heck, just focus on what the county has already documented: chronic absenteeism (which they are now aggressively using as a tool to unenroll these problematic kids) and the dramatic decline of our tax base (aging affluent white population being replaced by Latinos and other immigrants (including Asians) who operate cash businesses and aren’t paying their fair share of taxes. Both are negatively impacting our schools which are obviously in decline.

If you have kids in mcps in Bethesda, CC, Kensington or Potomac, please don’t poo poo the critics. You aren’t dealing with this in any meaningful way. Ditto to TP and anyone in a HGC or magnet.

Mcps panicked when test scores started to decline and their previously pristine record and nationally regarded public school reputation changed. Their solution was to lower the bar so everyone would succeed. Instead they created a race to the bottom and everyone suffered. The curriculum is ridiculous. No grammar?!?! No rigor?!?! California is reinstating cursive and I bet mcps will add it back in 5 years or so.

I’d pay more taxes if the schools were better. Seriously.

Instead, I’m exploring private high school.

Good for you. It’s what we did too. The privates (including many religiously affiliated schools) are more like what public high schools were like 40 years ago, except of course they are more diverse, which is great, because you see minority kids as leaders. Students thrive in schools where discipline, high expectations, smaller classrooms, and a supportive community exist. Good luck to you.

And yet here you are, posting on the MCPS forum, for some reason.

Their posts are just fabrications to push their far-right agenda.

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Your dismissive attitude is part of the problem that got Trump elected, and may cause Biden to lose. Did you ever consider that people with whom you share policy goals may have different thoughts about how to achieve that success? You’re my way or the highway view of what a Democrat is or is not is deeply troubling to me.

Eh, no. If you voted for Trump because anonymous posters were mean to you on an Internet message board, that's on you.

PP here. Another misunderstanding. I campaigned hard against Trump, working on two different campaigns. I am trying to explain that when you label people and speak dismissively to them, you cause them to look for someone who will acknowledge their very real concerns. T is a master at this. I warned people at the DNC way back before T had the nomination that he would win, and they laughed at me, Van Jones has posted about the same thing. Do you think he is far right too? Just today I saw a FB friend from the ‘19 and ‘20 campaigns posting similarly about a bunch of well educated Dems laughing when she said Biden will lose reelection unless this changes. Don’t get me wrong, I will do everything I can to re-elect Biden and the Dems, but this “know it all” attitude and self-righteous dismissal of people with whom you disagree about tactics is troubling on the left, as it is on the right. Most Americans are more moderate. Most Americans don’t want to have their kids suffer in schools that allow disrespect, violence, and lax standards.

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Why is it people villify whitenesss, talk about how schools are "too white", then when white people decide to remove themselves and go elsewhere everyone loses their mind? Why this fixation on what white people do and where we go? Leave us alone!

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Anonymous wrote:Aaron Needle and Samuel Sheinbein. Kennedy High School

Sheinbein was a Wootton HS student who caused enough trouble to be kicked out of Wooton High School and was transferred to Kennedy.

HE WAS NOT FROM A KENNEDY NEIGHBORHOOD.

He is a rich W kid who's parents paid money to protect him and enabled him to be a murderer.

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I agree with you to a certain extent.

FTR: I have ancestors who arrived with the very earliest settlers on one side and ancestors who arrived right around 1900 on the other side.

The part I think you might not appreciate is this: prior generations of immigrants embraced the American culture and quickly assimilated. Within one generation they were fully literate and either bilingual or were abandoning their native language; while they initially settled in ethnic enclaves, their goal was to move on to greener pastures to live among the more affluent and established; they took pride in being American. This isn’t the case at the moment. I think we are headed for a culture war on two fronts with Latinos and Muslims who will become the dominant culture. Hopefully I’m wrong.

This is factually wrong. It's false "history." It's a story anti-immigration people in the US have been telling themselves for over a century. Previous immigrants were good, but THESE immigrants NOW are different and bad! It's also a story rooted in bigotry and racism.

You are wrong.

FTR, I’m not saying all immigrants are bad. I’m saying they aren’t assimilating at the same rates.

Why?

Instead of Europeans who arrived in droves in the early 1900s who were gleefully pursuing an American way of life, we have huge numbers of new immigrants who are clinging to their native culture.

New immigrants are very religious: evangelical Christians (Africa and Central/South America) and Muslims. Instead of assimilating, both groups stick together and have their own agenda. They aren’t thrilled with American culture; they are here for economic reasons and safety.

Some new immigrants are gang-affiliated. That’s just a fact. We wouldn’t be pouring so much money into anti-gang efforts if it weren’t such a big issue. The problem is these guys wreak havoc in latino communities here…creating the same situation good people fled in the first place. And now it’s our county’s problem.

That's just plain wrong. I don't know where you learned that, but it's wrong. Extremely wrong. It would hard for it to be wrong-er, unless you were making assertions that violate the physical laws of the universe, like "Instead of Europeans who arrived in droves in the early 1900s who were gleefully creating and destroying matter..."

+1 This is absolutely a counterfactual narrative. I wonder if PP has ever been to a large Northeastern city. It they had, they might notice neighborhoods like "Little Italy," "Little Warsaw," and "Chinatown."

They might have noticed that different Catholic parishes served different ethnicities, or that organizations like the Knights of Columbus and the Polish National Alliance flourished during that time period.

For a period of time. But their numbers were smaller and they were organized by ethnicity. They weren’t from a select region with a shared language, and their goal was to blend in and assimilate.

Do you think Muslims are trying to assimilate?

I don't live in MOCO but the Egyptian wife on our street is not allowed to come to the American ladies homes for say coffee and is not allowed to come to our block parties. We invite her but she is not allowed to come. Several American neighbors have made a lot of invites to her to make her feel welcome. The Egyptian husband and son attend our neighborhood block parties. The Egyptian wife is like a prisoner in her home.

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Anonymous wrote:Aaron Needle and Samuel Sheinbein. Kennedy High School

There was a crazy group of kids in the Kennedy area at that time. This wasn’t gang related. There were a bunch of weird guys on drugs and some had obvious mental health issues.

My younger sibling knew this crowd back in the day. Sheinbein went nuts.

Here’s the thing, though, gang violence in MCPS is always personal and involves gang members or affiliates. A bunch of weird guys with drug abuse and mental health issues could attack anyone. I’d rather deal with a gang at my school. The last three years, the most disruptive and scariest MS students I’ve had were middle class white boys with obvious anger issues, but no ED code. When a boy ripped up his paper and stomped on a book until the spine broke, I was told this is his ADHD. When another boy muttered curses (not profanity, but spells) and said a group of girls were “just dead cows”, I was told this is his ADHD. This year, I have one with no code at all and, although he walks around grunting loudly, simply takes anything he wants, then makes bull horns and pretends to charge by scraping his feet like hooves if you ask him to stop, I was told that we were not to bother his family. Dad is a lawyer.

I get what you are saying. But Sheinbein wasn’t a menace to the community or school. He ended up murdering a friend.

And I’ve heard similar sentiments from MoCo staffers from various agencies along the lines of, “No need to worry about the Latino gang violence because they only kill each other…it’s not like the black gang violence in the 90s that spilled out into public spaces in CA/NY or what happens in Baltimore.”

That’s a very dangerous mindset because it accepts the low level crime already happening in terms of break-ins/theft and car accidents (oof, the drunk driving is really bad among Latinos) and doesn’t anticipate the more serious crime that is sure to come. It’s a numbers thing coupled with escalation when subcultural norms that drove countless people to leave danger and poor ways in Central America are suddenly the dominant culture in entire schools and neighborhoods.

Heck, just focus on what the county has already documented: chronic absenteeism (which they are now aggressively using as a tool to unenroll these problematic kids) and the dramatic decline of our tax base (aging affluent white population being replaced by Latinos and other immigrants (including Asians) who operate cash businesses and aren’t paying their fair share of taxes. Both are negatively impacting our schools which are obviously in decline.

If you have kids in mcps in Bethesda, CC, Kensington or Potomac, please don’t poo poo the critics. You aren’t dealing with this in any meaningful way. Ditto to TP and anyone in a HGC or magnet.

Mcps panicked when test scores started to decline and their previously pristine record and nationally regarded public school reputation changed. Their solution was to lower the bar so everyone would succeed. Instead they created a race to the bottom and everyone suffered. The curriculum is ridiculous. No grammar?!?! No rigor?!?! California is reinstating cursive and I bet mcps will add it back in 5 years or so.

I’d pay more taxes if the schools were better. Seriously.

Instead, I’m exploring private high school.

Good for you. It’s what we did too. The privates (including many religiously affiliated schools) are more like what public high schools were like 40 years ago, except of course they are more diverse, which is great, because you see minority kids as leaders. Students thrive in schools where discipline, high expectations, smaller classrooms, and a supportive community exist. Good luck to you.

And yet here you are, posting on the MCPS forum, for some reason.

Their posts are just fabrications to push their far-right agenda.

+100

Your dismissive attitude is part of the problem that got Trump elected, and may cause Biden to lose. Did you ever consider that people with whom you share policy goals may have different thoughts about how to achieve that success? You’re my way or the highway view of what a Democrat is or is not is deeply troubling to me.

Eh, no. If you voted for Trump because anonymous posters were mean to you on an Internet message board, that's on you.

PP here. Another misunderstanding. I campaigned hard against Trump, working on two different campaigns. I am trying to explain that when you label people and speak dismissively to them, you cause them to look for someone who will acknowledge their very real concerns. T is a master at this. I warned people at the DNC way back before T had the nomination that he would win, and they laughed at me, Van Jones has posted about the same thing. Do you think he is far right too? Just today I saw a FB friend from the ‘19 and ‘20 campaigns posting similarly about a bunch of well educated Dems laughing when she said Biden will lose reelection unless this changes. Don’t get me wrong, I will do everything I can to re-elect Biden and the Dems, but this “know it all” attitude and self-righteous dismissal of people with whom you disagree about tactics is troubling on the left, as it is on the right. Most Americans are more moderate. Most Americans don’t want to have their kids suffer in schools that allow disrespect, violence, and lax standards.

Nope. It's 2023, not December 2016. We know a lot more about Trump supporters and their reasons now.

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DP

I agree with you to a certain extent.

FTR: I have ancestors who arrived with the very earliest settlers on one side and ancestors who arrived right around 1900 on the other side.

The part I think you might not appreciate is this: prior generations of immigrants embraced the American culture and quickly assimilated. Within one generation they were fully literate and either bilingual or were abandoning their native language; while they initially settled in ethnic enclaves, their goal was to move on to greener pastures to live among the more affluent and established; they took pride in being American. This isn’t the case at the moment. I think we are headed for a culture war on two fronts with Latinos and Muslims who will become the dominant culture. Hopefully I’m wrong.

This is factually wrong. It's false "history." It's a story anti-immigration people in the US have been telling themselves for over a century. Previous immigrants were good, but THESE immigrants NOW are different and bad! It's also a story rooted in bigotry and racism.

You are wrong.

FTR, I’m not saying all immigrants are bad. I’m saying they aren’t assimilating at the same rates.

Why?

Instead of Europeans who arrived in droves in the early 1900s who were gleefully pursuing an American way of life, we have huge numbers of new immigrants who are clinging to their native culture.

New immigrants are very religious: evangelical Christians (Africa and Central/South America) and Muslims. Instead of assimilating, both groups stick together and have their own agenda. They aren’t thrilled with American culture; they are here for economic reasons and safety.

Some new immigrants are gang-affiliated. That’s just a fact. We wouldn’t be pouring so much money into anti-gang efforts if it weren’t such a big issue. The problem is these guys wreak havoc in latino communities here…creating the same situation good people fled in the first place. And now it’s our county’s problem.

That's just plain wrong. I don't know where you learned that, but it's wrong. Extremely wrong. It would hard for it to be wrong-er, unless you were making assertions that violate the physical laws of the universe, like "Instead of Europeans who arrived in droves in the early 1900s who were gleefully creating and destroying matter..."

+1 This is absolutely a counterfactual narrative. I wonder if PP has ever been to a large Northeastern city. It they had, they might notice neighborhoods like "Little Italy," "Little Warsaw," and "Chinatown."

They might have noticed that different Catholic parishes served different ethnicities, or that organizations like the Knights of Columbus and the Polish National Alliance flourished during that time period.

For a period of time. But their numbers were smaller and they were organized by ethnicity. They weren’t from a select region with a shared language, and their goal was to blend in and assimilate.

Do you think Muslims are trying to assimilate?

I don't live in MOCO but the Egyptian wife on our street is not allowed to come to the American ladies homes for say coffee and is not allowed to come to our block parties. We invite her but she is not allowed to come. Several American neighbors have made a lot of invites to her to make her feel welcome. The Egyptian husband and son attend our neighborhood block parties. The Egyptian wife is like a prisoner in her home.

And your experience with your neighbor, not in Montgomery County, is representative of all Muslims in the US?

The US-born white guy who lives on my street gets drunk and throws rocks across the fence at his neighbors. Therefore, obviously, all US-born white guys get drunk and throw rocks across their fences at their neighbors.

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Anonymous wrote:Aaron Needle and Samuel Sheinbein. Kennedy High School

There was a crazy group of kids in the Kennedy area at that time. This wasn’t gang related. There were a bunch of weird guys on drugs and some had obvious mental health issues.

My younger sibling knew this crowd back in the day. Sheinbein went nuts.

Here’s the thing, though, gang violence in MCPS is always personal and involves gang members or affiliates. A bunch of weird guys with drug abuse and mental health issues could attack anyone. I’d rather deal with a gang at my school. The last three years, the most disruptive and scariest MS students I’ve had were middle class white boys with obvious anger issues, but no ED code. When a boy ripped up his paper and stomped on a book until the spine broke, I was told this is his ADHD. When another boy muttered curses (not profanity, but spells) and said a group of girls were “just dead cows”, I was told this is his ADHD. This year, I have one with no code at all and, although he walks around grunting loudly, simply takes anything he wants, then makes bull horns and pretends to charge by scraping his feet like hooves if you ask him to stop, I was told that we were not to bother his family. Dad is a lawyer.

I get what you are saying. But Sheinbein wasn’t a menace to the community or school. He ended up murdering a friend.

And I’ve heard similar sentiments from MoCo staffers from various agencies along the lines of, “No need to worry about the Latino gang violence because they only kill each other…it’s not like the black gang violence in the 90s that spilled out into public spaces in CA/NY or what happens in Baltimore.”

That’s a very dangerous mindset because it accepts the low level crime already happening in terms of break-ins/theft and car accidents (oof, the drunk driving is really bad among Latinos) and doesn’t anticipate the more serious crime that is sure to come. It’s a numbers thing coupled with escalation when subcultural norms that drove countless people to leave danger and poor ways in Central America are suddenly the dominant culture in entire schools and neighborhoods.

Heck, just focus on what the county has already documented: chronic absenteeism (which they are now aggressively using as a tool to unenroll these problematic kids) and the dramatic decline of our tax base (aging affluent white population being replaced by Latinos and other immigrants (including Asians) who operate cash businesses and aren’t paying their fair share of taxes. Both are negatively impacting our schools which are obviously in decline.

If you have kids in mcps in Bethesda, CC, Kensington or Potomac, please don’t poo poo the critics. You aren’t dealing with this in any meaningful way. Ditto to TP and anyone in a HGC or magnet.

Mcps panicked when test scores started to decline and their previously pristine record and nationally regarded public school reputation changed. Their solution was to lower the bar so everyone would succeed. Instead they created a race to the bottom and everyone suffered. The curriculum is ridiculous. No grammar?!?! No rigor?!?! California is reinstating cursive and I bet mcps will add it back in 5 years or so.

I’d pay more taxes if the schools were better. Seriously.

Instead, I’m exploring private high school.

Good for you. It’s what we did too. The privates (including many religiously affiliated schools) are more like what public high schools were like 40 years ago, except of course they are more diverse, which is great, because you see minority kids as leaders. Students thrive in schools where discipline, high expectations, smaller classrooms, and a supportive community exist. Good luck to you.

And yet here you are, posting on the MCPS forum, for some reason.

Their posts are just fabrications to push their far-right agenda.

+100

Your dismissive attitude is part of the problem that got Trump elected, and may cause Biden to lose. Did you ever consider that people with whom you share policy goals may have different thoughts about how to achieve that success? You’re my way or the highway view of what a Democrat is or is not is deeply troubling to me.

Eh, no. If you voted for Trump because anonymous posters were mean to you on an Internet message board, that's on you.

Your reading comprehension is lacking, as are your critical analysis skills. You just leaped to the assumption that I voted for Trump. Wrong. I am saying that your dismissiveness is alienating and is one reason some people voted for T. They felt heard by him. He acknowledged their problems. Your attitude reminds me again of when I was making calls for Hillary before the Pennsylvania primary. All of my calls were to people with Hispanic-sounding names in towns where plenty of other ethnicities lived. (I know PA well). You don’t just cède the German and Polish and Ukrainian votes to the Rs because you want to get Hispanic votes too.

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Anonymous wrote:Aaron Needle and Samuel Sheinbein. Kennedy High School

There was a crazy group of kids in the Kennedy area at that time. This wasn’t gang related. There were a bunch of weird guys on drugs and some had obvious mental health issues.

My younger sibling knew this crowd back in the day. Sheinbein went nuts.

Here’s the thing, though, gang violence in MCPS is always personal and involves gang members or affiliates. A bunch of weird guys with drug abuse and mental health issues could attack anyone. I’d rather deal with a gang at my school. The last three years, the most disruptive and scariest MS students I’ve had were middle class white boys with obvious anger issues, but no ED code. When a boy ripped up his paper and stomped on a book until the spine broke, I was told this is his ADHD. When another boy muttered curses (not profanity, but spells) and said a group of girls were “just dead cows”, I was told this is his ADHD. This year, I have one with no code at all and, although he walks around grunting loudly, simply takes anything he wants, then makes bull horns and pretends to charge by scraping his feet like hooves if you ask him to stop, I was told that we were not to bother his family. Dad is a lawyer.

I get what you are saying. But Sheinbein wasn’t a menace to the community or school. He ended up murdering a friend.

And I’ve heard similar sentiments from MoCo staffers from various agencies along the lines of, “No need to worry about the Latino gang violence because they only kill each other…it’s not like the black gang violence in the 90s that spilled out into public spaces in CA/NY or what happens in Baltimore.”

That’s a very dangerous mindset because it accepts the low level crime already happening in terms of break-ins/theft and car accidents (oof, the drunk driving is really bad among Latinos) and doesn’t anticipate the more serious crime that is sure to come. It’s a numbers thing coupled with escalation when subcultural norms that drove countless people to leave danger and poor ways in Central America are suddenly the dominant culture in entire schools and neighborhoods.

Heck, just focus on what the county has already documented: chronic absenteeism (which they are now aggressively using as a tool to unenroll these problematic kids) and the dramatic decline of our tax base (aging affluent white population being replaced by Latinos and other immigrants (including Asians) who operate cash businesses and aren’t paying their fair share of taxes. Both are negatively impacting our schools which are obviously in decline.

If you have kids in mcps in Bethesda, CC, Kensington or Potomac, please don’t poo poo the critics. You aren’t dealing with this in any meaningful way. Ditto to TP and anyone in a HGC or magnet.

Mcps panicked when test scores started to decline and their previously pristine record and nationally regarded public school reputation changed. Their solution was to lower the bar so everyone would succeed. Instead they created a race to the bottom and everyone suffered. The curriculum is ridiculous. No grammar?!?! No rigor?!?! California is reinstating cursive and I bet mcps will add it back in 5 years or so.

I’d pay more taxes if the schools were better. Seriously.

Instead, I’m exploring private high school.

Good for you. It’s what we did too. The privates (including many religiously affiliated schools) are more like what public high schools were like 40 years ago, except of course they are more diverse, which is great, because you see minority kids as leaders. Students thrive in schools where discipline, high expectations, smaller classrooms, and a supportive community exist. Good luck to you.

And yet here you are, posting on the MCPS forum, for some reason.

Their posts are just fabrications to push their far-right agenda.

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Your dismissive attitude is part of the problem that got Trump elected, and may cause Biden to lose. Did you ever consider that people with whom you share policy goals may have different thoughts about how to achieve that success? You’re my way or the highway view of what a Democrat is or is not is deeply troubling to me.

Eh, no. If you voted for Trump because anonymous posters were mean to you on an Internet message board, that's on you.

Your reading comprehension is lacking, as are your critical analysis skills. You just leaped to the assumption that I voted for Trump. Wrong. I am saying that your dismissiveness is alienating and is one reason some people voted for T. They felt heard by him. He acknowledged their problems. Your attitude reminds me again of when I was making calls for Hillary before the Pennsylvania primary. All of my calls were to people with Hispanic-sounding names in towns where plenty of other ethnicities lived. (I know PA well). You don’t just cède the German and Polish and Ukrainian votes to the Rs because you want to get Hispanic votes too.

Are you posting from 2016?

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I agree with you to a certain extent.

FTR: I have ancestors who arrived with the very earliest settlers on one side and ancestors who arrived right around 1900 on the other side.

The part I think you might not appreciate is this: prior generations of immigrants embraced the American culture and quickly assimilated. Within one generation they were fully literate and either bilingual or were abandoning their native language; while they initially settled in ethnic enclaves, their goal was to move on to greener pastures to live among the more affluent and established; they took pride in being American. This isn’t the case at the moment. I think we are headed for a culture war on two fronts with Latinos and Muslims who will become the dominant culture. Hopefully I’m wrong.

This is factually wrong. It's false "history." It's a story anti-immigration people in the US have been telling themselves for over a century. Previous immigrants were good, but THESE immigrants NOW are different and bad! It's also a story rooted in bigotry and racism.

You are wrong.

FTR, I’m not saying all immigrants are bad. I’m saying they aren’t assimilating at the same rates.

Why?

Instead of Europeans who arrived in droves in the early 1900s who were gleefully pursuing an American way of life, we have huge numbers of new immigrants who are clinging to their native culture.

New immigrants are very religious: evangelical Christians (Africa and Central/South America) and Muslims. Instead of assimilating, both groups stick together and have their own agenda. They aren’t thrilled with American culture; they are here for economic reasons and safety.

Some new immigrants are gang-affiliated. That’s just a fact. We wouldn’t be pouring so much money into anti-gang efforts if it weren’t such a big issue. The problem is these guys wreak havoc in latino communities here…creating the same situation good people fled in the first place. And now it’s our county’s problem.

That's just plain wrong. I don't know where you learned that, but it's wrong. Extremely wrong. It would hard for it to be wrong-er, unless you were making assertions that violate the physical laws of the universe, like "Instead of Europeans who arrived in droves in the early 1900s who were gleefully creating and destroying matter..."

+1 This is absolutely a counterfactual narrative. I wonder if PP has ever been to a large Northeastern city. It they had, they might notice neighborhoods like "Little Italy," "Little Warsaw," and "Chinatown."

They might have noticed that different Catholic parishes served different ethnicities, or that organizations like the Knights of Columbus and the Polish National Alliance flourished during that time period.

For a period of time. But their numbers were smaller and they were organized by ethnicity. They weren’t from a select region with a shared language, and their goal was to blend in and assimilate.

Do you think Muslims are trying to assimilate?

I don't live in MOCO but the Egyptian wife on our street is not allowed to come to the American ladies homes for say coffee and is not allowed to come to our block parties. We invite her but she is not allowed to come. Several American neighbors have made a lot of invites to her to make her feel welcome. The Egyptian husband and son attend our neighborhood block parties. The Egyptian wife is like a prisoner in her home.

And your experience with your neighbor, not in Montgomery County, is representative of all Muslims in the US?

The US-born white guy who lives on my street gets drunk and throws rocks across the fence at his neighbors. Therefore, obviously, all US-born white guys get drunk and throw rocks across their fences at their neighbors.

Typical anecdotes posted by the far-right to convince everyone that their fringe views have merit. They are unable to use facts since their arguments always fall apart when exposed to reason.

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I agree with you to a certain extent.

FTR: I have ancestors who arrived with the very earliest settlers on one side and ancestors who arrived right around 1900 on the other side.

The part I think you might not appreciate is this: prior generations of immigrants embraced the American culture and quickly assimilated. Within one generation they were fully literate and either bilingual or were abandoning their native language; while they initially settled in ethnic enclaves, their goal was to move on to greener pastures to live among the more affluent and established; they took pride in being American. This isn’t the case at the moment. I think we are headed for a culture war on two fronts with Latinos and Muslims who will become the dominant culture. Hopefully I’m wrong.

This is factually wrong. It's false "history." It's a story anti-immigration people in the US have been telling themselves for over a century. Previous immigrants were good, but THESE immigrants NOW are different and bad! It's also a story rooted in bigotry and racism.

You are wrong.

FTR, I’m not saying all immigrants are bad. I’m saying they aren’t assimilating at the same rates.

Why?

Instead of Europeans who arrived in droves in the early 1900s who were gleefully pursuing an American way of life, we have huge numbers of new immigrants who are clinging to their native culture.

New immigrants are very religious: evangelical Christians (Africa and Central/South America) and Muslims. Instead of assimilating, both groups stick together and have their own agenda. They aren’t thrilled with American culture; they are here for economic reasons and safety.

Some new immigrants are gang-affiliated. That’s just a fact. We wouldn’t be pouring so much money into anti-gang efforts if it weren’t such a big issue. The problem is these guys wreak havoc in latino communities here…creating the same situation good people fled in the first place. And now it’s our county’s problem.

That's just plain wrong. I don't know where you learned that, but it's wrong. Extremely wrong. It would hard for it to be wrong-er, unless you were making assertions that violate the physical laws of the universe, like "Instead of Europeans who arrived in droves in the early 1900s who were gleefully creating and destroying matter..."

+1 This is absolutely a counterfactual narrative. I wonder if PP has ever been to a large Northeastern city. It they had, they might notice neighborhoods like "Little Italy," "Little Warsaw," and "Chinatown."

They might have noticed that different Catholic parishes served different ethnicities, or that organizations like the Knights of Columbus and the Polish National Alliance flourished during that time period.

For a period of time. But their numbers were smaller and they were organized by ethnicity. They weren’t from a select region with a shared language, and their goal was to blend in and assimilate.

Do you think Muslims are trying to assimilate?

I don't live in MOCO but the Egyptian wife on our street is not allowed to come to the American ladies homes for say coffee and is not allowed to come to our block parties. We invite her but she is not allowed to come. Several American neighbors have made a lot of invites to her to make her feel welcome. The Egyptian husband and son attend our neighborhood block parties. The Egyptian wife is like a prisoner in her home.

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There was a crazy group of kids in the Kennedy area at that time. This wasn’t gang related. There were a bunch of weird guys on drugs and some had obvious mental health issues.

My younger sibling knew this crowd back in the day. Sheinbein went nuts.

Here’s the thing, though, gang violence in MCPS is always personal and involves gang members or affiliates. A bunch of weird guys with drug abuse and mental health issues could attack anyone. I’d rather deal with a gang at my school. The last three years, the most disruptive and scariest MS students I’ve had were middle class white boys with obvious anger issues, but no ED code. When a boy ripped up his paper and stomped on a book until the spine broke, I was told this is his ADHD. When another boy muttered curses (not profanity, but spells) and said a group of girls were “just dead cows”, I was told this is his ADHD. This year, I have one with no code at all and, although he walks around grunting loudly, simply takes anything he wants, then makes bull horns and pretends to charge by scraping his feet like hooves if you ask him to stop, I was told that we were not to bother his family. Dad is a lawyer.

I get what you are saying. But Sheinbein wasn’t a menace to the community or school. He ended up murdering a friend.

And I’ve heard similar sentiments from MoCo staffers from various agencies along the lines of, “No need to worry about the Latino gang violence because they only kill each other…it’s not like the black gang violence in the 90s that spilled out into public spaces in CA/NY or what happens in Baltimore.”

That’s a very dangerous mindset because it accepts the low level crime already happening in terms of break-ins/theft and car accidents (oof, the drunk driving is really bad among Latinos) and doesn’t anticipate the more serious crime that is sure to come. It’s a numbers thing coupled with escalation when subcultural norms that drove countless people to leave danger and poor ways in Central America are suddenly the dominant culture in entire schools and neighborhoods.

Heck, just focus on what the county has already documented: chronic absenteeism (which they are now aggressively using as a tool to unenroll these problematic kids) and the dramatic decline of our tax base (aging affluent white population being replaced by Latinos and other immigrants (including Asians) who operate cash businesses and aren’t paying their fair share of taxes. Both are negatively impacting our schools which are obviously in decline.

If you have kids in mcps in Bethesda, CC, Kensington or Potomac, please don’t poo poo the critics. You aren’t dealing with this in any meaningful way. Ditto to TP and anyone in a HGC or magnet.

Mcps panicked when test scores started to decline and their previously pristine record and nationally regarded public school reputation changed. Their solution was to lower the bar so everyone would succeed. Instead they created a race to the bottom and everyone suffered. The curriculum is ridiculous. No grammar?!?! No rigor?!?! California is reinstating cursive and I bet mcps will add it back in 5 years or so.

I’d pay more taxes if the schools were better. Seriously.

Instead, I’m exploring private high school.

Good for you. It’s what we did too. The privates (including many religiously affiliated schools) are more like what public high schools were like 40 years ago, except of course they are more diverse, which is great, because you see minority kids as leaders. Students thrive in schools where discipline, high expectations, smaller classrooms, and a supportive community exist. Good luck to you.

And yet here you are, posting on the MCPS forum, for some reason.

Their posts are just fabrications to push their far-right agenda.

+100

Your dismissive attitude is part of the problem that got Trump elected, and may cause Biden to lose. Did you ever consider that people with whom you share policy goals may have different thoughts about how to achieve that success? You’re my way or the highway view of what a Democrat is or is not is deeply troubling to me.

Eh, no. If you voted for Trump because anonymous posters were mean to you on an Internet message board, that's on you.

PP here. Another misunderstanding. I campaigned hard against Trump, working on two different campaigns. I am trying to explain that when you label people and speak dismissively to them, you cause them to look for someone who will acknowledge their very real concerns. T is a master at this. I warned people at the DNC way back before T had the nomination that he would win, and they laughed at me, Van Jones has posted about the same thing. Do you think he is far right too? Just today I saw a FB friend from the ‘19 and ‘20 campaigns posting similarly about a bunch of well educated Dems laughing when she said Biden will lose reelection unless this changes. Don’t get me wrong, I will do everything I can to re-elect Biden and the Dems, but this “know it all” attitude and self-righteous dismissal of people with whom you disagree about tactics is troubling on the left, as it is on the right. Most Americans are more moderate. Most Americans don’t want to have their kids suffer in schools that allow disrespect, violence, and lax standards.

Nope. It's 2023, not December 2016. We know a lot more about Trump supporters and their reasons now.

When a young Trump first tried to build in NYC his first skyscrapers he hired a women to be in charge of it, z his wife was involved heavily his driver was black. He was not welcomed into the white male dominated in NYC or Atlantic City.

In the 1970s to 1990s he employed a massive amount of women and minorities in high paying blue collar jobs.

He literally was so outside his driver and wife and employees and wife’s were main guests at holiday parties in early years.

He is a comical character today from apprentice and MAGA

But fact remains plenty of black, Spanish and women like him.