White flight from MCPS

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

Montgomery County encourages an influx of illegal immigrants. This affects our schools. As such, it is most definitely now an educational policy issue. It affects the budget and it affects staffing. Definitely needs to be discussed and addressed instead of ignored.

No, Montgomery County doesn't. And MCPS also doesn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

Montgomery County encourages an influx of illegal immigrants. This affects our schools. As such, it is most definitely now an educational policy issue. It affects the budget and it affects staffing. Definitely needs to be discussed and addressed instead of ignored.

No, Montgomery County doesn't. And MCPS also doesn't.

Montgomery County sure does. Our political leaders want an influx of cheap labor so that our business owners can keep their businesses running cheaply and so that slum landlords can take in extra income.

We offer an incredible amount of services to undocumented immigrants and we have basically created an entire underground cash economy to accommodate undocumented workers.

Are you saying that Montgomery County is unwelcoming to undocumented immigrants? That is laughable.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

Montgomery County encourages an influx of illegal immigrants. This affects our schools. As such, it is most definitely now an educational policy issue. It affects the budget and it affects staffing. Definitely needs to be discussed and addressed instead of ignored.

No, Montgomery County doesn't. And MCPS also doesn't.

Montgomery County sure does. Our political leaders want an influx of cheap labor so that our business owners can keep their businesses running cheaply and so that slum landlords can take in extra income.

We offer an incredible amount of services to undocumented immigrants and we have basically created an entire underground cash economy to accommodate undocumented workers.

Are you saying that Montgomery County is unwelcoming to undocumented immigrants? That is laughable.

That's not why they do it.

They do it because they are kumbaya progressive liberals.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a diverse elementary school and the only kids I see leave for private have learning disabilities or behavioral needs. My kids are white and none of their friends have left for private in the past 10 years. So my anecdote is as good as yours.

I have an anecdote too! My non-Hispanic white kid is at a diverse high school, where most students are Black and/or Latino, because most residents in the area are Black and/or Latino. There, now we have 3 anecdotes.

What is your point? That there are white kids in diverse areas? Um, yeah. So?

In the 1970s, almost everyone at this high school was white. Now, in 2023, only about 10% of the students are white and non-Hispanic. What has caused this large decrease in both the number and the fraction of white, non-Hispanic students at this high school?????????

(Hint: the answer is not "white flight.")

Hint: the entire US is turning less white. It's not just MCPS.

My HS in the 1960s was mostly white. Then it gradually started to become, not white in the 70s. It wasn't an influx of illegal immigrants. It was because more black people were moving to the area, and so white people fled.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

Montgomery County encourages an influx of illegal immigrants. This affects our schools. As such, it is most definitely now an educational policy issue. It affects the budget and it affects staffing. Definitely needs to be discussed and addressed instead of ignored.

No, Montgomery County doesn't. And MCPS also doesn't.

Montgomery County sure does. Our political leaders want an influx of cheap labor so that our business owners can keep their businesses running cheaply and so that slum landlords can take in extra income.

We offer an incredible amount of services to undocumented immigrants and we have basically created an entire underground cash economy to accommodate undocumented workers.

Are you saying that Montgomery County is unwelcoming to undocumented immigrants? That is laughable.

The pro-business lobby is always looking to profit from the public dole.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

Montgomery County encourages an influx of illegal immigrants. This affects our schools. As such, it is most definitely now an educational policy issue. It affects the budget and it affects staffing. Definitely needs to be discussed and addressed instead of ignored.

No, Montgomery County doesn't. And MCPS also doesn't.

Montgomery County sure does. Our political leaders want an influx of cheap labor so that our business owners can keep their businesses running cheaply and so that slum landlords can take in extra income.

We offer an incredible amount of services to undocumented immigrants and we have basically created an entire underground cash economy to accommodate undocumented workers.

Are you saying that Montgomery County is unwelcoming to undocumented immigrants? That is laughable.

That's not why they do it.

They do it because they are kumbaya progressive liberals.

Agreed. They do it because they are progressive liberals. No way MoCo is doing anything that favors business. They've passed too many anti-business legislation to suddenly change their tact.

As for MCPS, they get stuck with the fallout. They are required to educate regardless of immigration status (Plyer vs Doe supreme court ruling).

So of course it's a huge cost and effort to educate kids who come from little education and often a traumatic childhood too, and fewer resources are directed to other kids. It's no wonder that those with means leave for private.

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Naw, we are all moving back to the country. So many new homes being built in Mt. Airy, Jefferson, and land being purchased in Adamstown, Middletown and Thurmont. Nice and peaceful out here with no worries of the alphabets or diversity mgmt coming to get us.

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Adam Pagnucco digs into the numbers on the exodus of taxpayers from MoCo which is related to white families fleeing MCPS.

SOURCE: https://montgomeryperspective.com/2023/11/01/exodus-from-moco-part-two/

In most years, out returns exceed in returns, meaning – at least among households known to the IRS – there is a net migration out. The drop and spike in 2015-18 affecting both ins and outs makes me wonder if some of those returns were misplaced by year. For what it’s worth, that pattern affects other jurisdictions and not just Montgomery County as we shall see later in the series.

This chart shows Montgomery County’s problem. The county has long had net out-migration of taxpayer income, which was nearly interrupted by the Great Recession. But this out-migration has ranged between $600 million and $900 million annually over the last six years. That’s a substantial hit on our taxable income base, which forms the foundation of our income tax receipts.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

Montgomery County encourages an influx of illegal immigrants. This affects our schools. As such, it is most definitely now an educational policy issue. It affects the budget and it affects staffing. Definitely needs to be discussed and addressed instead of ignored.

No, Montgomery County doesn't. And MCPS also doesn't.

True but places like CASA are a big draw.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

Montgomery County encourages an influx of illegal immigrants. This affects our schools. As such, it is most definitely now an educational policy issue. It affects the budget and it affects staffing. Definitely needs to be discussed and addressed instead of ignored.

No, Montgomery County doesn't. And MCPS also doesn't.

Montgomery County sure does. Our political leaders want an influx of cheap labor so that our business owners can keep their businesses running cheaply and so that slum landlords can take in extra income.

We offer an incredible amount of services to undocumented immigrants and we have basically created an entire underground cash economy to accommodate undocumented workers.

Are you saying that Montgomery County is unwelcoming to undocumented immigrants? That is laughable.

That's not why they do it.

They do it because they are kumbaya progressive liberals.

Agreed. They do it because they are progressive liberals. No way MoCo is doing anything that favors business. They've passed too many anti-business legislation to suddenly change their tact.

As for MCPS, they get stuck with the fallout. They are required to educate regardless of immigration status (Plyer vs Doe supreme court ruling).

So of course it's a huge cost and effort to educate kids who come from little education and often a traumatic childhood too, and fewer resources are directed to other kids. It's no wonder that those with means leave for private.

This is complete nonsense. Business benefits from the exploitation of cheap labor. If there were not such "opportunities", people wouldn't come here.

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Everyone who I know moved away did it because either they don't need to be in this area or willing to commute and want a bigger house/land for much less than you can get here. We are tempted to move if our kids weren't in so many activities that we cannot get elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

Montgomery County encourages an influx of illegal immigrants. This affects our schools. As such, it is most definitely now an educational policy issue. It affects the budget and it affects staffing. Definitely needs to be discussed and addressed instead of ignored.

No, Montgomery County doesn't. And MCPS also doesn't.

Montgomery County sure does. Our political leaders want an influx of cheap labor so that our business owners can keep their businesses running cheaply and so that slum landlords can take in extra income.

We offer an incredible amount of services to undocumented immigrants and we have basically created an entire underground cash economy to accommodate undocumented workers.

Are you saying that Montgomery County is unwelcoming to undocumented immigrants? That is laughable.

Very true!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m an elementary teacher. I am so thankful that my kids are in high school so they are almost out of the disaster known as MCPS. If they were in elementary I would have to find a way to send them to private. No children should have to attend some of these chaotic and unsafe schools. A student in the school I work at hit 18 (yes 18) students in one day in his class last week. Additionally he stuck several kids heads into trash cans. And this is not a one off. (Btw, don’t worry because I’m sure the half day in school suspension will really change things). How are kids supposed to learn when they are scared all the time?

I really wish that I could get out, but I’m too vested and will remain until I can retire. I don’t think it’s as much white flight as higher SES flight. If you have the means, you’re desperate to get out. As the whites traditionally have more means, you’re seeing a greater exodus. Just wish I could follow them…

This isnt an MCPS problem. It's happening all over the country right now. It's 100% a parenting problem. Parents do not raise their kids anymore. They rely on screens and schools to do it for them.

Parents rely on screens? Lol, have you spent anytime in a classroom lately? They spend half the day on a screen. If the problem is screens (and I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong) the usage needs to be reduced at school too.

The biggest factors IMO is that schools are no longer allowed to discipline kids, and kids that used to be pulled out of mainstream classes are not anymore. The problem is just more visible to you now. Millennial parents aren’t necessarily any worse than boomer parents were.

What is this narrative that kids are on screens all day at school? I've worked in 5 different MCPS schools. I walk around on my preps and I don't see kids on screens. It is a rare occasion if I do. My classes don't use screens either. The only time is if they have free time, which with 43 minute classes, is a rarity. I know it might happen at SOME places, but again, I've been at 5 schools and the story has been consistently the same at all.

Go to any DCC high school. Those kids are on phones all day all the time.

You've been to every single DCC high school and walked in every single classroom? Wow!

Obviously that's wrong or just made up. They're confiscated at our DCC school too.

Which school confiscates phones? I'm asking this seriously- our middle school does not enforce cell phone rules at all and I want different for HS. It's such a distraction even when your kids are following the rules.

Ours does (in clarksburg). First offense in a quarter you lose it until the end of day. Second time, your parents are notified. Third time, a parent has to come to school to get it.

That is what they tell you the policy is. In actuality, if a teacher tries to confiscate a phone, the teacher is accused of not having a good relationship with their students. The teacher is told that the teacher is the problem. As a result, teachers try to do the best they can, but do not confiscate phones.

One admin was heard explaining that everyone is addicted to their phone. That teachers need to work around it. This is after the administrator admitted being addicted to the phone too and that it is not a big deal to check messages in the middle of a conversation with staff.

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

This is totally irrelevant to the conversation. Admitting immigrants in the past doesn't obligate us to do it now. Especially at the level we have now, where the Percentage Foreign Born is at record levels.

AKA "I got mine!"

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Anonymous wrote:Almost everyone in MoCo today has immigrants in their familial past. Just some more recently than others.

Mine are first generation immigrants! But we came here legally and followed the processes in place.

There is a difference between legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration. Please do not confuse the two. Despite what white people think, all of us immigrants are not the same.

Good for you. For many people, it is basically impossible to come here legally.

Also, despite what you think, there are also immigrants who are white people.

So what? Are you saying that people who can’t get in legally are therefore entitled to come here illegally?

I mean, this is an immigration policy issue, not an educational policy issue, but yes, it is reasonable to ask whether it's good public policy to make it impossible for most people immigrate legally, especially given that the US economy relies on immigrant labor.

Montgomery County encourages an influx of illegal immigrants. This affects our schools. As such, it is most definitely now an educational policy issue. It affects the budget and it affects staffing. Definitely needs to be discussed and addressed instead of ignored.

No, Montgomery County doesn't. And MCPS also doesn't.

Montgomery County sure does. Our political leaders want an influx of cheap labor so that our business owners can keep their businesses running cheaply and so that slum landlords can take in extra income.

We offer an incredible amount of services to undocumented immigrants and we have basically created an entire underground cash economy to accommodate undocumented workers.

Are you saying that Montgomery County is unwelcoming to undocumented immigrants? That is laughable.

Thanks, Q!