Why are kids with problematic behavior left in mainstream classes

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Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

I think this as well.

That post doesn't even make sense. How can you think that as well?

It most assuredly does make sense, and I agree with it also. DP

Another agreement that it makes sense, and that I agree. NP

And the research demonstrating otherwise?

Feel free to cite a recent, solid source, if you like.

30 years experience in the classroom. Listen to the people actually in the buildings, doing the work. Research means nothing when these people havent stepped foot in a classroom in years, or usually, ever.

Nope. Cite your peer-reviewed source or don’t make the claim of “research demonstrating otherwise.”

Nah. I’d rather hear from people with actual experience and who are in the buildings on a daily basis than some outdated peer reviewed “source.”

Yeah. 'Cause anecdotes are science. :roll:

Well observations 100% are considered qualitative data points. Where else are they going to get that type of data?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s because of parents who refuse to believe their “little angels” are the problem and instead blame schools and teachers for their kids’ bad behavior and the admins and school boards who enable and coddle those parents.

No it isn't. There is nowhere else for those parents to put their kids unless they can afford a lawyer.

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Anonymous wrote:Yea, what happened to detentions and suspensions. I’m a taxpayer, I want those back for whom deserves it!!!

And wth is the restorative justices crap?!

What does you being a taxpayer have anything to do with anything?

That sort of attitude right there is largely why we are where we are. You have no right to suggest because you pay taxes you get to demand certain things

You must have gone to one of those schools where misbehavior displaced learning. In USA we fought a war against Taxation without Representation.

And yet we still have 700,000 people being taxed without representation. D.C. says, Hi!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s because of parents who refuse to believe their “little angels” are the problem and instead blame schools and teachers for their kids’ bad behavior and the admins and school boards who enable and coddle those parents.

No it isn't. There is nowhere else for those parents to put their kids unless they can afford a lawyer.

I’m a school counselor. This PP is correct. There used to be more options. Now it’s the “home school” model. Only they didn’t allocate enough resources to the home school, so it’s a set up for failure.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s because of parents who refuse to believe their “little angels” are the problem and instead blame schools and teachers for their kids’ bad behavior and the admins and school boards who enable and coddle those parents.

No it isn't. There is nowhere else for those parents to put their kids unless they can afford a lawyer.

I’m a school counselor. This PP is correct. There used to be more options. Now it’s the “home school” model. Only they didn’t allocate enough resources to the home school, so it’s a set up for failure.

School counselor is correct. It also doesn't matter if you can afford a lawyer - there genuinely are not enough spots in private placement for all of the kids that need them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no other placements available. There’s only a handful of settings that are appropriate and only well-connected parents know how to get their kids in one. Can’t afford to sue? Your child stays in the classroom, even if they maim someone.

+1 There are only a handful of settings and they can cost anywhere from $30-50$+ dollars of which the district must pay the cost(which may or may not have an adjustment). There are not enough Special education and counselors to help all kids. Some parents are in denial about their kids problems which makes getting them evaluated harder and takes longer.

The Central Office Special Education Assoc Superintendent is honest about all of these. She’s even briefed the BOE about these things.

Try 80k a year and there are VERY few of these day schools and VERY few seats. There can be literally nowhere to send these kids. If there is no space at any of the handful of private day schools that are appropriate, they can't move the kid.

Correct. The school district can agree to pay for non public placement but that doesn't mean that a school like Ivymount has to accept the student.

Correct. And these private placements aren’t less expensive. But When folks see that the base budget has Spec Ed as more than the entire middle budget it’s not going an area folks say allocate more money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Keep the disruptive kid home with the parent. Stop ruining the education of others.

Guess you don't understand about a free appropriate public education

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

I think this as well.

That post doesn't even make sense. How can you think that as well?

It most assuredly does make sense, and I agree with it also. DP

Another agreement that it makes sense, and that I agree. NP

And the research demonstrating otherwise?

Feel free to cite a recent, solid source, if you like.

30 years experience in the classroom. Listen to the people actually in the buildings, doing the work. Research means nothing when these people havent stepped foot in a classroom in years, or usually, ever.

Nope. Cite your peer-reviewed source or don’t make the claim of “research demonstrating otherwise.”

Nah. I’d rather hear from people with actual experience and who are in the buildings on a daily basis than some outdated peer reviewed “source.”

So you don’t have one and when you (or whomever, if you claim it wasn’t you) made the claim that there was “research demonstrating otherwise,” you/they were lying.

Thanks for confirming what we already knew.

You're an actual moron. I love that you sit here insulting others,demanding "science", when you cannot provide anything. No experience, no science...you have absolutely nothing. Stop posting for the good of everyone else.

[Anonymous]

My 7th grader with an IEP has a kid in her English class who is absolutely out of control. Constantly disrupting, doing gross stuff, making racist comments. The poor teachers are blowing half the period just trying to manage his behaviors.

My child struggles with learning, but her disabilities don’t deter others from learning. I think these kids who can’t control themselves should have an alternative placement.

[Anonymous]

It is VERY hard being a first grade teacher with half of my class in "home school model" who are not toilet trained, are not socialized, are not verbal, and have severe emotional dysregulation. I try my absolute hardest, took mindfulness training, and their Sped teacher only supports me 2 hours a week. It is a joke. But, all I do is get more things to do or parents upset at me about their kids being around kids who should not be in regular school. I am quitting after this year. I am done.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My 7th grader with an IEP has a kid in her English class who is absolutely out of control. Constantly disrupting, doing gross stuff, making racist comments. The poor teachers are blowing half the period just trying to manage his behaviors.

My child struggles with learning, but her disabilities don’t deter others from learning. I think these kids who can’t control themselves should have an alternative placement.

Unfortunately, we no longer differentiate between the student whose behavior is a manifestation of a disability and a non-disabled student who could control themselves but chooses not to for whatever reason.

MCPS’s attitude: Don’t you know that the latter are troublemakers because they are canaries in a coal mine and we need to learn from them. If a third grader is throwing things or a seventh grader is cursing you out, you haven’t made the work meaningful to them. Or you failed to build a relationship. They aren’t the problem. You are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yea, what happened to detentions and suspensions. I’m a taxpayer, I want those back for whom deserves it!!!

And wth is the restorative justices crap?!

What does you being a taxpayer have anything to do with anything?

That sort of attitude right there is largely why we are where we are. You have no right to suggest because you pay taxes you get to demand certain things

You must have gone to one of those schools where misbehavior displaced learning. In USA we fought a war against Taxation without Representation.

And yet we still have 700,000 people being taxed without representation. D.C. says, Hi!

Who freely live there despite knowing it's status from the beginning. Get a real issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s no other placements available. There’s only a handful of settings that are appropriate and only well-connected parents know how to get their kids in one. Can’t afford to sue? Your child stays in the classroom, even if they maim someone.

+1 There are only a handful of settings and they can cost anywhere from $30-50$+ dollars of which the district must pay the cost(which may or may not have an adjustment). There are not enough Special education and counselors to help all kids. Some parents are in denial about their kids problems which makes getting them evaluated harder and takes longer.

The Central Office Special Education Assoc Superintendent is honest about all of these. She’s even briefed the BOE about these things.

Try 80k a year and there are VERY few of these day schools and VERY few seats. There can be literally nowhere to send these kids. If there is no space at any of the handful of private day schools that are appropriate, they can't move the kid.

Or the school district could bring back its own special schools. It's not like there are no solutions...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s because of parents who refuse to believe their “little angels” are the problem and instead blame schools and teachers for their kids’ bad behavior and the admins and school boards who enable and coddle those parents.

No it isn't. There is nowhere else for those parents to put their kids unless they can afford a lawyer.

I’m a school counselor. This PP is correct. There used to be more options. Now it’s the “home school” model. Only they didn’t allocate enough resources to the home school, so it’s a set up for failure.

NP- can you talk about what other options there used to be? I'm very interested in learning more. I know we didn't have problem behaviors when I was in school, but I was a kid and wasn't aware of other places or where they went.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s because of parents who refuse to believe their “little angels” are the problem and instead blame schools and teachers for their kids’ bad behavior and the admins and school boards who enable and coddle those parents.

No it isn't. There is nowhere else for those parents to put their kids unless they can afford a lawyer.

I’m a school counselor. This PP is correct. There used to be more options. Now it’s the “home school” model. Only they didn’t allocate enough resources to the home school, so it’s a set up for failure.

NP- can you talk about what other options there used to be? I'm very interested in learning more. I know we didn't have problem behaviors when I was in school, but I was a kid and wasn't aware of other places or where they went.

DP here. So people have raised this multiple times.. why can't virtual school be an option for those kids who misbehave, bully, etc? Seems to me that it's the most appropriate and less expensive choice. If your kid is a bully, causes fights, is disrespectful, causes harm to others, etc. then they should be "kicked out" of in-person school and provided virtual schooling for x amount of time depending on the severity of the case.