New Mexico Governor's unConstitutional power grab

[Anonymous]

Dear GOP, note how most Democrats also say the NM Governor is overreaching?

IOW, no one is trying to take your guns away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:In Bruen, the court said there is a right to carry. This EO isn’t going to survive a court challenge.

It's a temporary 30 day order. It will expire before it even gets through the courts.

it is not working.... day 1..... first shooting, in the ghetto section of town, no surprise, I guess he didn't get the memo, oh and also i am ignoring whatever that short, fat, gov says, started with the fake pandemic and the facemasks.

More likely not working because the Sheriffs have said the won't enforce it. All of those dudes now walking around with bulky gun outlines in their clothing will just get ignored and be allowed to continue using them to rob, threaten, murder, rape et cetera.

LOL - no, that is plain ignorance, sorry dude.

[Anonymous]

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A radical far right hate group, AR15.com, has targeted this forum and discussion for a "Firemission"

This forum is owned by Iowa based Brownells, Inc. and hosted on EPIK and AWS assets. The people attacking your website have names and addresses.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/New-Mexico-governor-suspends-open-and-concealed-carry-for-30-days/5-2671319/?page=12

"Originally Posted By Meerkatze:

New Mexico Governor's unConstitutional power grab


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1154614.page


Link left cold on purpose."

AR15.com is a shelter for Neo-Nazis since Stormfront has been shut down. Help us comrades by reporting AR15.com's antics to the SPLC and FTC. We are very close to getting them declared a hate group which will severely impact their ability to organize on the internet.

WOW your description is fail, and oh yeah the dox threat is real childish, but what do you expect from karen types.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans: What is your proposal to end gun violence in America, and to get all of the illegal guns off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals?

If you say "more guns" then that's what's already been done for decades, and it hasn't worked.

How about an ACTUAL proposal?

And if you don't have an actual proposal, then maybe you should STFU and sit down.

So let's hear it.... give me a serious proposal, or STFU and sit down.

Enforce the laws on the books? Go after straw purchasers? Hire more cops to go after straw purchasers? Penalize any straw purchasers whose purchase results in a shooting?

Extra policing in areas that have large numbers of gun crimes? More foot patrols? Funding for metal detectors in entrances to shops and private buildings to alert others that you may be carrying?

Stop and frisk (has its own legal problems, but works)?

Its a social justice issue that people of color are hurt more by lax enforcement than other communities, so place the focus on those who need the help the most.

https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue

Kind of hard to go after straw purchasers when there is no persistent data or searchable database to work with.

And maybe you haven't been paying attention but the social justice issue isn't "lax enforcement" - police are overpolicing in all the wrong ways - pulling over and harrassing innocent people, engaging in unwarranted brutality while the violence continues unabated without any serious effort to actually root out the core causes of it.

Many left leaning groups, consider it a social justice issue because black bodies are disporportionate victims.

That Brady (the gun control group) link says

"Black Americans are twice as likely as white Americans to die from gun violence and 14 times more likely than white Americans to be wounded. A documented 4,084 Black people were lynched in 73 years; 93,262 were shot dead in 14. Like lynching, gun violence is a racial justice issue." and

"Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. But Black Americans are 10 times more likely than White Americans to die from it. "

We must instead consider how public policy has made it so that Black people are more likely to face conditions that facilitate gun violence than white people. So then it is a fair question. Does "over policing" reduce violence against black and brown bodies? Given New York's past policies of overpolicing black and brown bodies, the answer is "Yes it does". It is however at a cost of civil rights.

So the policy discussion should be, is it worth overpolicing to save lives?

The straw purchasing issue can be solved thorugh other means without a registry. Create agreements to reduce some punishments if straw purchasers are ratted out. If wives, girlfriends, buddies etc get thrown in jail then word gets out pretty quickly that its not worth doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Wow.
Women lose a constitutional right held for a generation, and people shrug and wonder if it will matter in the voting booth next year.
Gun nuts have to leave their guns at home for a month, and LOSE THEIR MINDS!!!!

Abortion is not a constitutional right. It’s not in the constitution.

Open carry is not in the constitution.

Shall not be infringed

A well regulated Militia….

Regulated = well equipped or armed to the teeth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

A radical far right hate group, AR15.com, has targeted this forum and discussion for a "Firemission"

This forum is owned by Iowa based Brownells, Inc. and hosted on EPIK and AWS assets. The people attacking your website have names and addresses.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/New-Mexico-governor-suspends-open-and-concealed-carry-for-30-days/5-2671319/?page=12

"Originally Posted By Meerkatze:

New Mexico Governor's unConstitutional power grab


https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1154614.page


Link left cold on purpose."

AR15.com is a shelter for Neo-Nazis since Stormfront has been shut down. Help us comrades by reporting AR15.com's antics to the SPLC and FTC. We are very close to getting them declared a hate group which will severely impact their ability to organize on the internet.

Someone might want to tell them Jeff doesn’t have our names and addresses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow.
Women lose a constitutional right held for a generation, and people shrug and wonder if it will matter in the voting booth next year.
Gun nuts have to leave their guns at home for a month, and LOSE THEIR MINDS!!!!

Abortion is not a constitutional right. It’s not in the constitution.

Open carry is not in the constitution.

Shall not be infringed

A well regulated Militia….

Regulated = well equipped or armed to the teeth

That is NOT what regulated means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans: What is your proposal to end gun violence in America, and to get all of the illegal guns off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals?

If you say "more guns" then that's what's already been done for decades, and it hasn't worked.

How about an ACTUAL proposal?

And if you don't have an actual proposal, then maybe you should STFU and sit down.

So let's hear it.... give me a serious proposal, or STFU and sit down.

Enforce the laws on the books? Go after straw purchasers? Hire more cops to go after straw purchasers? Penalize any straw purchasers whose purchase results in a shooting?

Extra policing in areas that have large numbers of gun crimes? More foot patrols? Funding for metal detectors in entrances to shops and private buildings to alert others that you may be carrying?

Stop and frisk (has its own legal problems, but works)?

Its a social justice issue that people of color are hurt more by lax enforcement than other communities, so place the focus on those who need the help the most.

https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue

Kind of hard to go after straw purchasers when there is no persistent data or searchable database to work with.

And maybe you haven't been paying attention but the social justice issue isn't "lax enforcement" - police are overpolicing in all the wrong ways - pulling over and harrassing innocent people, engaging in unwarranted brutality while the violence continues unabated without any serious effort to actually root out the core causes of it.

Many left leaning groups, consider it a social justice issue because black bodies are disporportionate victims.

That Brady (the gun control group) link says

"Black Americans are twice as likely as white Americans to die from gun violence and 14 times more likely than white Americans to be wounded. A documented 4,084 Black people were lynched in 73 years; 93,262 were shot dead in 14. Like lynching, gun violence is a racial justice issue." and

"Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. But Black Americans are 10 times more likely than White Americans to die from it. "

We must instead consider how public policy has made it so that Black people are more likely to face conditions that facilitate gun violence than white people. So then it is a fair question. Does "over policing" reduce violence against black and brown bodies? Given New York's past policies of overpolicing black and brown bodies, the answer is "Yes it does". It is however at a cost of civil rights.

So the policy discussion should be, is it worth overpolicing to save lives?

The straw purchasing issue can be solved thorugh other means without a registry. Create agreements to reduce some punishments if straw purchasers are ratted out. If wives, girlfriends, buddies etc get thrown in jail then word gets out pretty quickly that its not worth doing.

With a registry you don't even need to rely on somone ratting someone else out, and no need to reduce punishments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans: What is your proposal to end gun violence in America, and to get all of the illegal guns off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals?

If you say "more guns" then that's what's already been done for decades, and it hasn't worked.

How about an ACTUAL proposal?

And if you don't have an actual proposal, then maybe you should STFU and sit down.

So let's hear it.... give me a serious proposal, or STFU and sit down.

Enforce the laws on the books? Go after straw purchasers? Hire more cops to go after straw purchasers? Penalize any straw purchasers whose purchase results in a shooting?

Extra policing in areas that have large numbers of gun crimes? More foot patrols? Funding for metal detectors in entrances to shops and private buildings to alert others that you may be carrying?

Stop and frisk (has its own legal problems, but works)?

Its a social justice issue that people of color are hurt more by lax enforcement than other communities, so place the focus on those who need the help the most.

https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue

Kind of hard to go after straw purchasers when there is no persistent data or searchable database to work with.

And maybe you haven't been paying attention but the social justice issue isn't "lax enforcement" - police are overpolicing in all the wrong ways - pulling over and harrassing innocent people, engaging in unwarranted brutality while the violence continues unabated without any serious effort to actually root out the core causes of it.

Many left leaning groups, consider it a social justice issue because black bodies are disporportionate victims.

That Brady (the gun control group) link says

"Black Americans are twice as likely as white Americans to die from gun violence and 14 times more likely than white Americans to be wounded. A documented 4,084 Black people were lynched in 73 years; 93,262 were shot dead in 14. Like lynching, gun violence is a racial justice issue." and

"Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. But Black Americans are 10 times more likely than White Americans to die from it. "

We must instead consider how public policy has made it so that Black people are more likely to face conditions that facilitate gun violence than white people. So then it is a fair question. Does "over policing" reduce violence against black and brown bodies? Given New York's past policies of overpolicing black and brown bodies, the answer is "Yes it does". It is however at a cost of civil rights.

So the policy discussion should be, is it worth overpolicing to save lives?

The straw purchasing issue can be solved thorugh other means without a registry. Create agreements to reduce some punishments if straw purchasers are ratted out. If wives, girlfriends, buddies etc get thrown in jail then word gets out pretty quickly that its not worth doing.

The problem is that the black community doesn't trust the police. To them, the police isn't much better than another violent street gang, except with badges and immunity. That needs to change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans: What is your proposal to end gun violence in America, and to get all of the illegal guns off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals?

If you say "more guns" then that's what's already been done for decades, and it hasn't worked.

How about an ACTUAL proposal?

And if you don't have an actual proposal, then maybe you should STFU and sit down.

So let's hear it.... give me a serious proposal, or STFU and sit down.

Enforce the laws on the books? Go after straw purchasers? Hire more cops to go after straw purchasers? Penalize any straw purchasers whose purchase results in a shooting?

Extra policing in areas that have large numbers of gun crimes? More foot patrols? Funding for metal detectors in entrances to shops and private buildings to alert others that you may be carrying?

Stop and frisk (has its own legal problems, but works)?

Its a social justice issue that people of color are hurt more by lax enforcement than other communities, so place the focus on those who need the help the most.

https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue

Kind of hard to go after straw purchasers when there is no persistent data or searchable database to work with.

And maybe you haven't been paying attention but the social justice issue isn't "lax enforcement" - police are overpolicing in all the wrong ways - pulling over and harrassing innocent people, engaging in unwarranted brutality while the violence continues unabated without any serious effort to actually root out the core causes of it.

Many left leaning groups, consider it a social justice issue because black bodies are disporportionate victims.

That Brady (the gun control group) link says

"Black Americans are twice as likely as white Americans to die from gun violence and 14 times more likely than white Americans to be wounded. A documented 4,084 Black people were lynched in 73 years; 93,262 were shot dead in 14. Like lynching, gun violence is a racial justice issue." and

"Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. But Black Americans are 10 times more likely than White Americans to die from it. "

We must instead consider how public policy has made it so that Black people are more likely to face conditions that facilitate gun violence than white people. So then it is a fair question. Does "over policing" reduce violence against black and brown bodies? Given New York's past policies of overpolicing black and brown bodies, the answer is "Yes it does". It is however at a cost of civil rights.

So the policy discussion should be, is it worth overpolicing to save lives?

The straw purchasing issue can be solved thorugh other means without a registry. Create agreements to reduce some punishments if straw purchasers are ratted out. If wives, girlfriends, buddies etc get thrown in jail then word gets out pretty quickly that its not worth doing.

Stop and Frisk was not actually that effective. NYC's violent crime rate didn't actually show any major shift as a result of implementing it. Stop and Frisk ended in 2013, because it was found to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL. And even after Stop and Frisk ended, the violent crime rate continued to drop. The data shows that Stop and Frisk had very little to do with the reduction in violent crime. There are numerous papers that show this:

MacDonald J, Fagan J, Geller A (2016) The Effects of Local Police Surges on Crime and Arrests in New York City. PLoS ONE 11(6): e0157223. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0157223

Weisburd D, Wooditch A, Weisburd S, Yang SM. Do Stop, Question, and Frisk Practices Deter Crime?Criminology & Public Policy. 2015 Nov 1.

Meanwhile you have folks like Giuliani and Trump exaggerating its success, claiming it made NYC one of the safest cities in the country - yet again the numbers disagree - for example, here it's ranked 113 out of 182 cities. https://wallethub.com/edu/safest-cities-in-america/41926

The problem with conservatives and gun rights advocates is that they never look at the data and instead cling to debunked and disproven talking points.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dear GOP, note how most Democrats also say the NM Governor is overreaching?

IOW, no one is trying to take your guns away.

Because Democrats are terrified of their own ignorance of the constitution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear GOP, note how most Democrats also say the NM Governor is overreaching?

IOW, no one is trying to take your guns away.

Because Democrats are terrified of their own ignorance of the constitution.

You say that while believing Twitter owes you 1A protection? Sure, pal. Sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear GOP, note how most Democrats also say the NM Governor is overreaching?

IOW, no one is trying to take your guns away.

Because Democrats are terrified of their own ignorance of the constitution.

You say that while believing Twitter owes you 1A protection? Sure, pal. Sure.

DP.
No, we believe that our government officials should NOT be able to instruct Twitter when to delete accounts or censor posts because they run counter to the narrative the government is pushing.
That is what happened.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans: What is your proposal to end gun violence in America, and to get all of the illegal guns off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals?

If you say "more guns" then that's what's already been done for decades, and it hasn't worked.

How about an ACTUAL proposal?

And if you don't have an actual proposal, then maybe you should STFU and sit down.

So let's hear it.... give me a serious proposal, or STFU and sit down.

Enforce the laws on the books? Go after straw purchasers? Hire more cops to go after straw purchasers? Penalize any straw purchasers whose purchase results in a shooting?

Extra policing in areas that have large numbers of gun crimes? More foot patrols? Funding for metal detectors in entrances to shops and private buildings to alert others that you may be carrying?

Stop and frisk (has its own legal problems, but works)?

Its a social justice issue that people of color are hurt more by lax enforcement than other communities, so place the focus on those who need the help the most.

https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue

Kind of hard to go after straw purchasers when there is no persistent data or searchable database to work with.

And maybe you haven't been paying attention but the social justice issue isn't "lax enforcement" - police are overpolicing in all the wrong ways - pulling over and harrassing innocent people, engaging in unwarranted brutality while the violence continues unabated without any serious effort to actually root out the core causes of it.

Many left leaning groups, consider it a social justice issue because black bodies are disporportionate victims.

That Brady (the gun control group) link says

"Black Americans are twice as likely as white Americans to die from gun violence and 14 times more likely than white Americans to be wounded. A documented 4,084 Black people were lynched in 73 years; 93,262 were shot dead in 14. Like lynching, gun violence is a racial justice issue." and

"Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. But Black Americans are 10 times more likely than White Americans to die from it. "

We must instead consider how public policy has made it so that Black people are more likely to face conditions that facilitate gun violence than white people. So then it is a fair question. Does "over policing" reduce violence against black and brown bodies? Given New York's past policies of overpolicing black and brown bodies, the answer is "Yes it does". It is however at a cost of civil rights.

So the policy discussion should be, is it worth overpolicing to save lives?

The straw purchasing issue can be solved thorugh other means without a registry. Create agreements to reduce some punishments if straw purchasers are ratted out. If wives, girlfriends, buddies etc get thrown in jail then word gets out pretty quickly that its not worth doing.

The problem is that the black community doesn't trust the police. To them, the police isn't much better than another violent street gang, except with badges and immunity. That needs to change.

For some reason, black people feel they can commit crimes and not be held accountable

Right. There are no Black people in prison in the U.S.