New Mexico Governor's unConstitutional power grab

[Anonymous]

Isn't that the biggest sad irony of all - that Sheriffs don't want to crack down on violent gun crimes because the people they need to go after have guns and might shoot back...

If the trained professionals whose paid, fulltime jobs it is to go after armed criminals don't feel adequately prepared to do it then what makes you think some random completely untrained 58 year old plumber with a holstered gun in his sweaty ass crack is somehow the answer to crime?

It's some magical thinking, but hey as long as you all keep saying those magic words, "2nd Amendment" and "good guys with guns" and throw around FAKE and EXAGGERATED BS about "defensive gun use" somehow it's all gonna be OK, right?

Delusions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dear GOP, note how most Democrats also say the NM Governor is overreaching?

IOW, no one is trying to take your guns away.

Because Democrats are terrified of their own ignorance of the constitution.

You say that while believing Twitter owes you 1A protection? Sure, pal. Sure.

DP.
No, we believe that our government officials should NOT be able to instruct Twitter when to delete accounts or censor posts because they run counter to the narrative the government is pushing.
That is what happened.

No. That’s not true. The drum beating about 1A infringement by Twitter started long before any of that happened. Try again.

AFTER Elon took over Twitter, with all of his pronouncements about being a "free speech platform" I got permanently banned from Twitter for nothing more than daring to suggest that the blue check program was rife for impersonation and abuse. I was right - but am still banned, despite several appeals. Elon Musk DOES NOT GIVE A DAMN about the First Amendment. Talking about Twitter in the Elon era and the First Amendment in the same sentence as if they somehow go together makes people just look like massive clowns. 🤡

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans: What is your proposal to end gun violence in America, and to get all of the illegal guns off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals?

If you say "more guns" then that's what's already been done for decades, and it hasn't worked.

How about an ACTUAL proposal?

And if you don't have an actual proposal, then maybe you should STFU and sit down.

So let's hear it.... give me a serious proposal, or STFU and sit down.

Enforce the laws on the books? Go after straw purchasers? Hire more cops to go after straw purchasers? Penalize any straw purchasers whose purchase results in a shooting?

Extra policing in areas that have large numbers of gun crimes? More foot patrols? Funding for metal detectors in entrances to shops and private buildings to alert others that you may be carrying?

Stop and frisk (has its own legal problems, but works)?

Its a social justice issue that people of color are hurt more by lax enforcement than other communities, so place the focus on those who need the help the most.

https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue

Kind of hard to go after straw purchasers when there is no persistent data or searchable database to work with.

And maybe you haven't been paying attention but the social justice issue isn't "lax enforcement" - police are overpolicing in all the wrong ways - pulling over and harrassing innocent people, engaging in unwarranted brutality while the violence continues unabated without any serious effort to actually root out the core causes of it.

Many left leaning groups, consider it a social justice issue because black bodies are disporportionate victims.

That Brady (the gun control group) link says

"Black Americans are twice as likely as white Americans to die from gun violence and 14 times more likely than white Americans to be wounded. A documented 4,084 Black people were lynched in 73 years; 93,262 were shot dead in 14. Like lynching, gun violence is a racial justice issue." and

"Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. But Black Americans are 10 times more likely than White Americans to die from it. "

We must instead consider how public policy has made it so that Black people are more likely to face conditions that facilitate gun violence than white people. So then it is a fair question. Does "over policing" reduce violence against black and brown bodies? Given New York's past policies of overpolicing black and brown bodies, the answer is "Yes it does". It is however at a cost of civil rights.

So the policy discussion should be, is it worth overpolicing to save lives?

The straw purchasing issue can be solved thorugh other means without a registry. Create agreements to reduce some punishments if straw purchasers are ratted out. If wives, girlfriends, buddies etc get thrown in jail then word gets out pretty quickly that its not worth doing.

The problem is that the black community doesn't trust the police. To them, the police isn't much better than another violent street gang, except with badges and immunity. That needs to change.

For some reason, black people feel they can commit crimes and not be held accountable

Right. There are no Black people in prison in the U.S.

There are not enough people in jail because the progressives won’t prosecute criminals regardless of race.

If people can’t follow the rules of a civilized society they need to be in jail.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Republicans: What is your proposal to end gun violence in America, and to get all of the illegal guns off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals?

If you say "more guns" then that's what's already been done for decades, and it hasn't worked.

How about an ACTUAL proposal?

And if you don't have an actual proposal, then maybe you should STFU and sit down.

So let's hear it.... give me a serious proposal, or STFU and sit down.

Enforce the laws on the books? Go after straw purchasers? Hire more cops to go after straw purchasers? Penalize any straw purchasers whose purchase results in a shooting?

Extra policing in areas that have large numbers of gun crimes? More foot patrols? Funding for metal detectors in entrances to shops and private buildings to alert others that you may be carrying?

Stop and frisk (has its own legal problems, but works)?

Its a social justice issue that people of color are hurt more by lax enforcement than other communities, so place the focus on those who need the help the most.

https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue

Kind of hard to go after straw purchasers when there is no persistent data or searchable database to work with.

And maybe you haven't been paying attention but the social justice issue isn't "lax enforcement" - police are overpolicing in all the wrong ways - pulling over and harrassing innocent people, engaging in unwarranted brutality while the violence continues unabated without any serious effort to actually root out the core causes of it.

Many left leaning groups, consider it a social justice issue because black bodies are disporportionate victims.

That Brady (the gun control group) link says

"Black Americans are twice as likely as white Americans to die from gun violence and 14 times more likely than white Americans to be wounded. A documented 4,084 Black people were lynched in 73 years; 93,262 were shot dead in 14. Like lynching, gun violence is a racial justice issue." and

"Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. But Black Americans are 10 times more likely than White Americans to die from it. "

We must instead consider how public policy has made it so that Black people are more likely to face conditions that facilitate gun violence than white people. So then it is a fair question. Does "over policing" reduce violence against black and brown bodies? Given New York's past policies of overpolicing black and brown bodies, the answer is "Yes it does". It is however at a cost of civil rights.

So the policy discussion should be, is it worth overpolicing to save lives?

The straw purchasing issue can be solved thorugh other means without a registry. Create agreements to reduce some punishments if straw purchasers are ratted out. If wives, girlfriends, buddies etc get thrown in jail then word gets out pretty quickly that its not worth doing.

The problem is that the black community doesn't trust the police. To them, the police isn't much better than another violent street gang, except with badges and immunity. That needs to change.

For some reason, black people feel they can commit crimes and not be held accountable

Right. There are no Black people in prison in the U.S.

There are not enough people in jail because the progressives won’t prosecute criminals regardless of race.

If people can’t follow the rules of a civilized society they need to be in jail.

Except when they are violent MAGAs who stormed the US Capitol, assaulted officers, smashed doors and windows, broke into congressional offices holding confidential information, vandalized and looted et cetera. Then they say "NOOOO Don't prosecute, jails are horrible and inhumane, this is all so unfair!!!!"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dear GOP, note how most Democrats also say the NM Governor is overreaching?

IOW, no one is trying to take your guns away.

Because Democrats are terrified of their own ignorance of the constitution.

You say that while believing Twitter owes you 1A protection? Sure, pal. Sure.

DP.
No, we believe that our government officials should NOT be able to instruct Twitter when to delete accounts or censor posts because they run counter to the narrative the government is pushing.
That is what happened.

No. That’s not true. The drum beating about 1A infringement by Twitter started long before any of that happened. Try again.

AFTER Elon took over Twitter, with all of his pronouncements about being a "free speech platform" I got permanently banned from Twitter for nothing more than daring to suggest that the blue check program was rife for impersonation and abuse. I was right - but am still banned, despite several appeals. Elon Musk DOES NOT GIVE A DAMN about the First Amendment. Talking about Twitter in the Elon era and the First Amendment in the same sentence as if they somehow go together makes people just look like massive clowns. 🤡

I appreciate you proving my point about you guys not understanding what the Bill of Rights does, and does not do.

[Anonymous]

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jsteele wrote:The US Constitution does not provide a right to open carry weapons. So, I have no idea what Hogg and Lieu think they are talking about. It will be up to New Mexico's Supreme Court to determine whether this move is allowed under the state's constitution or not.

The U.S. Constitution doesn't provide any rights. Rights are granted by God (or by nature if that makes you nervous). The point is, the U.S. Constitution is a negative check on government power. Furthermore, since rights are NOT granted by man, they cannot be taken away by man.

Carry on... literally.

Somebody flunked poli sci 101.

[Anonymous]

+1. Apparently the previous poster is unfamiliar with the Bill of Rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans: What is your proposal to end gun violence in America, and to get all of the illegal guns off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals?

If you say "more guns" then that's what's already been done for decades, and it hasn't worked.

How about an ACTUAL proposal?

And if you don't have an actual proposal, then maybe you should STFU and sit down.

So let's hear it.... give me a serious proposal, or STFU and sit down.

Enforce the laws on the books? Go after straw purchasers? Hire more cops to go after straw purchasers? Penalize any straw purchasers whose purchase results in a shooting?

Extra policing in areas that have large numbers of gun crimes? More foot patrols? Funding for metal detectors in entrances to shops and private buildings to alert others that you may be carrying?

Stop and frisk (has its own legal problems, but works)?

Its a social justice issue that people of color are hurt more by lax enforcement than other communities, so place the focus on those who need the help the most.

https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue

Kind of hard to go after straw purchasers when there is no persistent data or searchable database to work with.

And maybe you haven't been paying attention but the social justice issue isn't "lax enforcement" - police are overpolicing in all the wrong ways - pulling over and harrassing innocent people, engaging in unwarranted brutality while the violence continues unabated without any serious effort to actually root out the core causes of it.

Many left leaning groups, consider it a social justice issue because black bodies are disporportionate victims.

That Brady (the gun control group) link says

"Black Americans are twice as likely as white Americans to die from gun violence and 14 times more likely than white Americans to be wounded. A documented 4,084 Black people were lynched in 73 years; 93,262 were shot dead in 14. Like lynching, gun violence is a racial justice issue." and

"Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. But Black Americans are 10 times more likely than White Americans to die from it. "

We must instead consider how public policy has made it so that Black people are more likely to face conditions that facilitate gun violence than white people. So then it is a fair question. Does "over policing" reduce violence against black and brown bodies? Given New York's past policies of overpolicing black and brown bodies, the answer is "Yes it does". It is however at a cost of civil rights.

So the policy discussion should be, is it worth overpolicing to save lives?

The straw purchasing issue can be solved thorugh other means without a registry. Create agreements to reduce some punishments if straw purchasers are ratted out. If wives, girlfriends, buddies etc get thrown in jail then word gets out pretty quickly that its not worth doing.

The problem is that the black community doesn't trust the police. To them, the police isn't much better than another violent street gang, except with badges and immunity. That needs to change.

For some reason, black people feel they can commit crimes and not be held accountable

Pretty rich statement given the lack of punishment for white collar crime, crimes committed by white law enforcement officials, much less the crimes committed by most of the GOP leadership.

I agree. Hunter Biden and Joe Biden need to be held accountable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This derives from the COVID power grab and associated health emergencies. Authoritarians will be trying this more and more. Scary stuff. This person is a tyrant. We have them here too.

Next thing you know, you idiots will also be defying shelter-in-place orders for natural disasters, screaming "AUTHORITARIANS!" as you get swept out to sea in your car by a hurricane storm surge.

The idiots who defied the road blockages in Hawaii lived.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn't that the biggest sad irony of all - that Sheriffs don't want to crack down on violent gun crimes because the people they need to go after have guns and might shoot back...

If the trained professionals whose paid, fulltime jobs it is to go after armed criminals don't feel adequately prepared to do it then what makes you think some random completely untrained 58 year old plumber with a holstered gun in his sweaty ass crack is somehow the answer to crime?

It's some magical thinking, but hey as long as you all keep saying those magic words, "2nd Amendment" and "good guys with guns" and throw around FAKE and EXAGGERATED BS about "defensive gun use" somehow it's all gonna be OK, right?

Delusions.

Dude didn’t even have to set his beer down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFhkcgdkrY8

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Republicans: What is your proposal to end gun violence in America, and to get all of the illegal guns off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals?

If you say "more guns" then that's what's already been done for decades, and it hasn't worked.

How about an ACTUAL proposal?

And if you don't have an actual proposal, then maybe you should STFU and sit down.

So let's hear it.... give me a serious proposal, or STFU and sit down.

Enforce the laws on the books? Go after straw purchasers? Hire more cops to go after straw purchasers? Penalize any straw purchasers whose purchase results in a shooting?

Extra policing in areas that have large numbers of gun crimes? More foot patrols? Funding for metal detectors in entrances to shops and private buildings to alert others that you may be carrying?

Stop and frisk (has its own legal problems, but works)?

Its a social justice issue that people of color are hurt more by lax enforcement than other communities, so place the focus on those who need the help the most.

https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue

Kind of hard to go after straw purchasers when there is no persistent data or searchable database to work with.

And maybe you haven't been paying attention but the social justice issue isn't "lax enforcement" - police are overpolicing in all the wrong ways - pulling over and harrassing innocent people, engaging in unwarranted brutality while the violence continues unabated without any serious effort to actually root out the core causes of it.

Many left leaning groups, consider it a social justice issue because black bodies are disporportionate victims.

That Brady (the gun control group) link says

"Black Americans are twice as likely as white Americans to die from gun violence and 14 times more likely than white Americans to be wounded. A documented 4,084 Black people were lynched in 73 years; 93,262 were shot dead in 14. Like lynching, gun violence is a racial justice issue." and

"Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. But Black Americans are 10 times more likely than White Americans to die from it. "

We must instead consider how public policy has made it so that Black people are more likely to face conditions that facilitate gun violence than white people. So then it is a fair question. Does "over policing" reduce violence against black and brown bodies? Given New York's past policies of overpolicing black and brown bodies, the answer is "Yes it does". It is however at a cost of civil rights.

So the policy discussion should be, is it worth overpolicing to save lives?

The straw purchasing issue can be solved thorugh other means without a registry. Create agreements to reduce some punishments if straw purchasers are ratted out. If wives, girlfriends, buddies etc get thrown in jail then word gets out pretty quickly that its not worth doing.

The problem is that the black community doesn't trust the police. To them, the police isn't much better than another violent street gang, except with badges and immunity. That needs to change.

For some reason, black people feel they can commit crimes and not be held accountable

Pretty rich statement given the lack of punishment for white collar crime, crimes committed by white law enforcement officials, much less the crimes committed by most of the GOP leadership.

I agree. Hunter Biden and Joe Biden need to be held accountable.

^ unserious poster

[Anonymous]

Ouch!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't that the biggest sad irony of all - that Sheriffs don't want to crack down on violent gun crimes because the people they need to go after have guns and might shoot back...

If the trained professionals whose paid, fulltime jobs it is to go after armed criminals don't feel adequately prepared to do it then what makes you think some random completely untrained 58 year old plumber with a holstered gun in his sweaty ass crack is somehow the answer to crime?

It's some magical thinking, but hey as long as you all keep saying those magic words, "2nd Amendment" and "good guys with guns" and throw around FAKE and EXAGGERATED BS about "defensive gun use" somehow it's all gonna be OK, right?

Delusions.

Dude didn’t even have to set his beer down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFhkcgdkrY8

That’s insanely reckless and O don’t want that nonsense in my community. You people are nuts. That guy was lucky not to have hit half a dozen innocent bystanders with that sort of reckless nonsense. If the suspect shot back and there was a shootout how many bystanders would have been killed? For what reason? To protect the $20 bucks in the cash register and some packs of cigarettes? SMH

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear GOP, note how most Democrats also say the NM Governor is overreaching?

IOW, no one is trying to take your guns away.

Because Democrats are terrified of their own ignorance of the constitution.

You say that while believing Twitter owes you 1A protection? Sure, pal. Sure.

DP.
No, we believe that our government officials should NOT be able to instruct Twitter when to delete accounts or censor posts because they run counter to the narrative the government is pushing.
That is what happened.

No. That’s not true. The drum beating about 1A infringement by Twitter started long before any of that happened. Try again.

AFTER Elon took over Twitter, with all of his pronouncements about being a "free speech platform" I got permanently banned from Twitter for nothing more than daring to suggest that the blue check program was rife for impersonation and abuse. I was right - but am still banned, despite several appeals. Elon Musk DOES NOT GIVE A DAMN about the First Amendment. Talking about Twitter in the Elon era and the First Amendment in the same sentence as if they somehow go together makes people just look like massive clowns. 🤡

No. You’re not going to gaslight me. I suggest you do some reading on the topic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't that the biggest sad irony of all - that Sheriffs don't want to crack down on violent gun crimes because the people they need to go after have guns and might shoot back...

If the trained professionals whose paid, fulltime jobs it is to go after armed criminals don't feel adequately prepared to do it then what makes you think some random completely untrained 58 year old plumber with a holstered gun in his sweaty ass crack is somehow the answer to crime?

It's some magical thinking, but hey as long as you all keep saying those magic words, "2nd Amendment" and "good guys with guns" and throw around FAKE and EXAGGERATED BS about "defensive gun use" somehow it's all gonna be OK, right?

Delusions.

Dude didn’t even have to set his beer down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFhkcgdkrY8

That’s insanely reckless and O don’t want that nonsense in my community. You people are nuts. That guy was lucky not to have hit half a dozen innocent bystanders with that sort of reckless nonsense. If the suspect shot back and there was a shootout how many bystanders would have been killed? For what reason? To protect the $20 bucks in the cash register and some packs of cigarettes? SMH

That didn’t happen though, did it? Instead the store clerk was unharmed and the perp is in custody