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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Republicans:  What is your proposal to end gun violence in America, and to get all of the illegal guns off of the streets and out of the hands of criminals?

If you say "more guns" then that's what's already been done for decades, and it hasn't worked.

How about an ACTUAL proposal?

And if you don't have an actual proposal, then maybe you should STFU and sit down.

So let's hear it....   give me a serious proposal, or STFU and sit down.[/quote]

Enforce the laws on the books? Go after straw purchasers?  Hire more cops to go after straw purchasers? Penalize any straw purchasers whose purchase results in a shooting?

Extra policing in areas that have large numbers of gun crimes?  More foot patrols? Funding for metal detectors in entrances to shops and private buildings to alert others that you may be carrying?

Stop and frisk (has its own legal problems, but works)?

Its a social justice issue that people of color are hurt more by lax enforcement than other communities, so place the focus on those who need the help the most.

https://www.bradyunited.org/issue/gun-violence-is-a-racial-justice-issue[/quote]

Kind of hard to go after straw purchasers when there is no persistent data or searchable database to work with.

And maybe you haven't been paying attention but the social justice issue isn't "lax enforcement" - police are overpolicing in all the wrong ways - pulling over and harrassing innocent people, engaging in unwarranted brutality while the violence continues unabated without any serious effort to actually root out the core causes of it.[/quote]

Many left leaning groups, consider it a social justice issue because black bodies are disporportionate victims.

That Brady (the gun control group) link says

"Black Americans are twice as likely as white Americans to die from gun violence and[b] 14 times more likely than white Americans to be wounded.[/b] A documented 4,084 Black people were lynched in 73 years; 93,262 were shot dead in 14. Like lynching, gun violence is a racial justice issue." and

"Gun homicide (mass shootings, so-called “everyday” violence, and police-involved shootings) is a universal American threat. [u]But Black Americans are 10 times more likely than White Americans to die from it. [/u]"

We must instead consider how public policy has made it so that Black people are more likely to face conditions that facilitate gun violence than white people. So then it is a fair question.  Does "over policing" reduce violence against black and brown bodies?   Given New York's past policies of overpolicing black and brown bodies, the answer is "Yes it does".  It is however at a cost of civil rights.

So the policy discussion should be, is it worth overpolicing to save lives?

The straw purchasing issue can be solved thorugh other means without a registry.  Create agreements to reduce some punishments if straw purchasers are ratted out.  If wives, girlfriends, buddies etc get thrown in jail then word gets out pretty quickly that its not worth doing.[/quote]

Stop and Frisk was not actually that effective.  NYC's violent crime rate didn't actually show any major shift as a result of implementing it.  Stop and Frisk ended in 2013, because it was found to be UNCONSTITUTIONAL.  And even after Stop and Frisk ended, the violent crime rate continued to drop.  The data shows that Stop and Frisk had very little to do with the reduction in violent crime.  There are numerous papers that show this:

MacDonald J, Fagan J, Geller A (2016) The Effects of Local Police Surges on Crime and Arrests in New York City. PLoS ONE 11(6): e0157223. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0157223

Weisburd D, Wooditch A, Weisburd S, Yang SM. Do Stop, Question, and Frisk Practices Deter Crime?Criminology & Public Policy. 2015 Nov 1.

Meanwhile you have folks like Giuliani and Trump exaggerating its success, claiming it made NYC one of the safest cities in the country - yet again the numbers disagree - for example, here it's ranked 113 out of 182 cities.  https://wallethub.com/edu/safest-cities-in-america/41926

The problem with conservatives and gun rights advocates is that they never look at the data and instead cling to debunked and disproven talking points.
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