Anonymous wrote:It seems like people are trying to assert that kids with rights to (not the same as IB for) Deal, Hardy, JR, and Stuart-Hobson are a significant proportion of BASIS' enrollment. And that may be true, I'm really not sure. Ok, yay for BASIS.
But at the same time, it's also the case that a lot of kids who have access to a high-quality middle school are not choosing BASIS. And that's why you see zero kids from Janney going to BASIS, for example. This data doesn't tell us how many kids wanted to go to BASIS but didn't get in, but it also doesn't tell us how many kids are at BASIS only because they didn't get anything they like better, and how many kids wouldn't have gone to BASIS even if they had applied and matched. But it strikes me as notable when people choose Stuart-Hobson over BASIS even though Eastern isn't an appealing high school. And it seems in this data that a lot of people are choosing Stuart-Hobson.
100% of the kids in my household attend JR, but that doesn't mean I think JR is really that great. And it doesn't make them a significant proportion of JR's enrollment.
The boundary data that has been used is for in boundary. Further, as has now been explained 10 times, as a 100% lottery school no one school could or should make up a significant proportion. No one suggested those schools make up a significant proportion. What was said was that those middle schools represent a greater proportion than some of the "lessor middle schools", in opposition to what some dimwit said. An idea you have now inexplicably repeated while inserting some inane IB vs OOB right concept.
If by "kids who have access to a high quality middle school" you mean Deal and Hardy, YOU ARE WRONG. There are more kids IB for those schools at BASIS than all but one non-CH middle school. Of course it isn't most of those schools' kids; BASIS has only 135 5th grade seats and it is a pure lottery. No one said it was most of those IB kids. Let me repeat: What was said was that available data shows us that (contrary to you repeating your unfounded beliefs) Deal and Hardy IB kids are sending more kids to BASIS than everyone except the 3 CH middle schools and MacFarland. Which debunks the idea that kids who have a "good" (Deal/Hardy) MS path don't attend.
Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...
S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.
Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.
Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.
Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.
Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.
LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.
Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.
More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.
BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.
I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.
Well the data says otherwise, but ok…
Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!
Wow. Where to start.
Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.
For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC
There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School
After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries
Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?
Now control for sibling preference.
I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.
Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...
P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.
I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?
I am annoyed not on behalf of BASIS, but because we live in a world where people like you just make sh*t up and don't have the decency to go away when called out on it. The poster said straight up that kids form Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS, only kids from poor MS. The data disproves it. Do you think you are cute introducing some BS concept of "not as many as I would have expected"? What does that mean? If you are the poster who just got exposed, it is by definition more than you expected. You were given the data.
Or are you denying having typed: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? Because they do, as a percentage of all kids enrolled. And since the school is pure lottery, if they didn't apply in higher numbers they would not be admitted in higher numbers.
Keep typing. You look dumber each time.
I said they don't enroll "in significant numbers", and I stand by it. And I really don't know how you calculate them as a total of all kids enrolled in BASIS. Care to explain?
Cute turn of phrase, but nonsense. As has been explained to you several times, because BASIS is a pure lottery the enrollment is a relative concept. You are now hiding behind that parsing because you're starting to understand that your supposition that kids from Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS is wrong.
And, yes, happy to explain. DC publishes enrollment data by boundary. The fact that you don't know this explains how your impressions could have been so wrong. Heck, I could have lived with your ignorance before you were shown the data. What I have a harder time with is that after you were shown data you kept plugging away based only on your own misplaced self confidence. And it only occurs to you 4 responses in to inquire about the data?
Cite the data?
It's not just about boundary residence, it's about kids having middle school feeder rights due to graduating from an elementary school for which they are OOB.
In boundary schools for basis students:
SY21-22 DCPS Boundary SY21-22 Count of Grade-Specific Students Living in the DCPS Boundary that Attend the School
Anacostia High School 12
Brent Elementary School 11
Brookland Middle School 10
Cardozo Education Campus 45
Deal Middle School 25
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
Maury Elementary School 11
McKinley Middle School 10
Peabody Elementary School/Watkins Elementary School Capitol Hill Cluster 14
Roosevelt High School 14
School Without Walls @ Francis-Stevens 15
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54
Wilson High School 33
Very interesting! So we can get a picture of the 5th grade class by looking at kids who are zoned for elementaries.
Brent: 11 to BASIS
Maury: 11 to BASIS
Watkins: 14 to BASIS
SWW@FS: 15 to BASIS, but they could be in any of the overlap grades, so I'm gonna call this 4 (15/4 grades)
And that's all, for elementary schools sending 10 or more kids to BASIS.
Looking at middle schools, so this is over the overlapping grades:
Brookland: 10
Cardozo EC: 45 kids over 7 grades, so I'll call it 21 middle school kids and 24 high school kids just as an estimate.
Deal: 25
Eliot-Hine: 29 (but not as many as EH kids who go to SH-- 37)
Hardy: 17
Hart: 11
Wells: 14
Jefferson: 47
Kelly Miller: 11
MacFarland: 28
McKinley Middle: 10
SWWFS: 15
Sousa: 11
Stuart-Hobson: 54 (compared to 142 IB kids going to SH and 42 going to Latin)
High schools (these numbers over 4 grades):
Anacostia: 12
Cardozo: see above, 24
Dunbar: 31
Eastern: 80
Roosevelt: 14
JR: 33
So, BASIS high school is attracting a total of 113 kids who are IB for Eastern or JR (which is different from the number of kids who have feeder rights to those schools). Over four grades, that's 28 kids per grade. Is that really so wow?
28 kids per grade as a percentage of enrolled kids is the part you are glossing over. The 113 kids is 66% of enrolled HS kids. Yes, that is a large percentage.
P.S. The data is showing boundary, not feeder rights, a point you continue to misunderstand.
Anonymous wrote:Bigger news to me would be the massive bleed of Basis kids in general. They enroll 150 at 5th I think? So 35 kids leave after the first year. By 9th grade only FIFTY kids are left? Yikes.
Those numbers are not new. The challenge is trying to assess the attrition without data from other schools. Because BASIS doesn't backfill, seats that empty are not replaced. Most other schools backfill so the numbers remain pretty constant. Latin, for instance, adds 15 kids in 9th and an average of 4 every year from 6th on up.
Before you and others with a hard on for BASIS chime in, this is a value neutral observation about data and NOT a discussion of whether they can or should backfill. It is a logical, data driven response to PP who is looking at a number that cannot be measured against other schools because other schools don't publish the number of kids who started in 5th/entry year.
Well, it seems that BASIS high school does lose less than 10 kids per year, it's just that they were all to schools outside the public DC system. That kind of surprises me, I would have expected a few to JR now and then. If a school has 59 9th graders and only 50 stay for 10th, that's not super wow. If a school has 51 9th graders and 50 stay for 10th, that's good.
I think people's argument about BASIS isn't that the students who attend it are miserable and they leave. It's that BASIS isn't anywhere near as good as its boosters would like others to think, and that it doesn't do a fair share of the more difficult work of the school system.
So, to summarize, BASIS parents are often defending BASIS and trying to explain that, notwithstanding the DCUM haters, BASIS families are often times quite happy and kids choose to remain for HS and are happy to have done so. Someone shows you data that says kids don't leave the HS for other charter or DCPS schools (as in zero) and your conclusion is that BASIS isn;t as good for those families (none of whom leave) as they say it is?
Also, BASIS families don't give a dam if you think BASIS does "its fair share". We're trying to get our kids educated. And, with all due respect, if you are IB for JR I don't really have patience for your commentary about what BASIS isn't doing.
Typical BASIS booster anger and aggression. I do care about all the kids in the city, and the functioning of the system as a whole, and if you don't, well, that's between you and your conscience.
I believe that BASIS isn't that great a school. I believe that it's so-called "success" is the result of its demographics rather than of excellent teaching or whatever else. I believe that if you took a matching slice of JR students (those who have attended a well-performing school starting in 5th grade and who were on grade level almost every year since), it would look no worse than BASIS does. I am not IB for JR, rather I'm a parent who researched BASIS for my kid and decided not to apply at all.
I also believe that parents often stay at schools that aren't that great, or aren't that good a fit, for lack of a better option and because it's hard to move teenagers away from their friends. Like any other school in the city, some of its families are more satisfied than others, and I don't assume retention indicates actual satisfaction.
I honestly feel sorry for you. This is a school you have never attended, have no first hand experience with and one you claim you didn't even want to attend, and yet you frequent DCUM to lecture parents who have kids at the school that the school their kids are at is not great? Because your research tells you more about what is a good school for their kids than their personal experience? Really? Wow.
If you only listen to people who actually enrolled, you won't get the whole picture. I did my research, I spoke with friends who were kind enough to be candid with me, and I decided it isn't that impressive. My best wishes to you and your child at BASIS!
Yes, we should definitely listen to people who have no actual experience with something but are willing to give their opinion. This is why I only take medical and legal advice from yahoos on Twitter.
+1 I adore how she doubles down that people with kids at the school need to listen to people who never attended the school to fully understand the school.
Anonymous wrote:Bigger news to me would be the massive bleed of Basis kids in general. They enroll 150 at 5th I think? So 35 kids leave after the first year. By 9th grade only FIFTY kids are left? Yikes.
Those numbers are not new. The challenge is trying to assess the attrition without data from other schools. Because BASIS doesn't backfill, seats that empty are not replaced. Most other schools backfill so the numbers remain pretty constant. Latin, for instance, adds 15 kids in 9th and an average of 4 every year from 6th on up.
Before you and others with a hard on for BASIS chime in, this is a value neutral observation about data and NOT a discussion of whether they can or should backfill. It is a logical, data driven response to PP who is looking at a number that cannot be measured against other schools because other schools don't publish the number of kids who started in 5th/entry year.
Well, it seems that BASIS high school does lose less than 10 kids per year, it's just that they were all to schools outside the public DC system. That kind of surprises me, I would have expected a few to JR now and then. If a school has 59 9th graders and only 50 stay for 10th, that's not super wow. If a school has 51 9th graders and 50 stay for 10th, that's good.
I think people's argument about BASIS isn't that the students who attend it are miserable and they leave. It's that BASIS isn't anywhere near as good as its boosters would like others to think, and that it doesn't do a fair share of the more difficult work of the school system.
So, to summarize, BASIS parents are often defending BASIS and trying to explain that, notwithstanding the DCUM haters, BASIS families are often times quite happy and kids choose to remain for HS and are happy to have done so. Someone shows you data that says kids don't leave the HS for other charter or DCPS schools (as in zero) and your conclusion is that BASIS isn;t as good for those families (none of whom leave) as they say it is?
Also, BASIS families don't give a dam if you think BASIS does "its fair share". We're trying to get our kids educated. And, with all due respect, if you are IB for JR I don't really have patience for your commentary about what BASIS isn't doing.
Typical BASIS booster anger and aggression. I do care about all the kids in the city, and the functioning of the system as a whole, and if you don't, well, that's between you and your conscience.
I believe that BASIS isn't that great a school. I believe that it's so-called "success" is the result of its demographics rather than of excellent teaching or whatever else. I believe that if you took a matching slice of JR students (those who have attended a well-performing school starting in 5th grade and who were on grade level almost every year since), it would look no worse than BASIS does. I am not IB for JR, rather I'm a parent who researched BASIS for my kid and decided not to apply at all.
I also believe that parents often stay at schools that aren't that great, or aren't that good a fit, for lack of a better option and because it's hard to move teenagers away from their friends. Like any other school in the city, some of its families are more satisfied than others, and I don't assume retention indicates actual satisfaction.
I honestly feel sorry for you. This is a school you have never attended, have no first hand experience with and one you claim you didn't even want to attend, and yet you frequent DCUM to lecture parents who have kids at the school that the school their kids are at is not great? Because your research tells you more about what is a good school for their kids than their personal experience? Really? Wow.
If you only listen to people who actually enrolled, you won't get the whole picture. I did my research, I spoke with friends who were kind enough to be candid with me, and I decided it isn't that impressive. My best wishes to you and your child at BASIS!
Yes, we should definitely listen to people who have no actual experience with something but are willing to give their opinion. This is why I only take medical and legal advice from yahoos on Twitter.
+1 I adore how she doubles down that people with kids at the school need to listen to people who never attended the school to fully understand the school.
If you only listen to people who tell you what you want to hear, you won't get the full picture.
Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...
S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.
Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.
Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.
Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.
Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.
LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.
Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.
More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.
BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.
I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.
Well the data says otherwise, but ok…
Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!
Wow. Where to start.
Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.
For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC
There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School
After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries
Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?
Now control for sibling preference.
I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.
Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...
P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.
I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?
I am annoyed not on behalf of BASIS, but because we live in a world where people like you just make sh*t up and don't have the decency to go away when called out on it. The poster said straight up that kids form Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS, only kids from poor MS. The data disproves it. Do you think you are cute introducing some BS concept of "not as many as I would have expected"? What does that mean? If you are the poster who just got exposed, it is by definition more than you expected. You were given the data.
Or are you denying having typed: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? Because they do, as a percentage of all kids enrolled. And since the school is pure lottery, if they didn't apply in higher numbers they would not be admitted in higher numbers.
Keep typing. You look dumber each time.
I said they don't enroll "in significant numbers", and I stand by it. And I really don't know how you calculate them as a total of all kids enrolled in BASIS. Care to explain?
Cute turn of phrase, but nonsense. As has been explained to you several times, because BASIS is a pure lottery the enrollment is a relative concept. You are now hiding behind that parsing because you're starting to understand that your supposition that kids from Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS is wrong.
And, yes, happy to explain. DC publishes enrollment data by boundary. The fact that you don't know this explains how your impressions could have been so wrong. Heck, I could have lived with your ignorance before you were shown the data. What I have a harder time with is that after you were shown data you kept plugging away based only on your own misplaced self confidence. And it only occurs to you 4 responses in to inquire about the data?
Cite the data?
It's not just about boundary residence, it's about kids having middle school feeder rights due to graduating from an elementary school for which they are OOB.
In boundary schools for basis students:
SY21-22 DCPS Boundary SY21-22 Count of Grade-Specific Students Living in the DCPS Boundary that Attend the School
Anacostia High School 12
Brent Elementary School 11
Brookland Middle School 10
Cardozo Education Campus 45
Deal Middle School 25
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
Maury Elementary School 11
McKinley Middle School 10
Peabody Elementary School/Watkins Elementary School Capitol Hill Cluster 14
Roosevelt High School 14
School Without Walls @ Francis-Stevens 15
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54
Wilson High School 33
Very interesting! So we can get a picture of the 5th grade class by looking at kids who are zoned for elementaries.
Brent: 11 to BASIS
Maury: 11 to BASIS
Watkins: 14 to BASIS
SWW@FS: 15 to BASIS, but they could be in any of the overlap grades, so I'm gonna call this 4 (15/4 grades)
And that's all, for elementary schools sending 10 or more kids to BASIS.
Looking at middle schools, so this is over the overlapping grades:
Brookland: 10
Cardozo EC: 45 kids over 7 grades, so I'll call it 21 middle school kids and 24 high school kids just as an estimate.
Deal: 25
Eliot-Hine: 29 (but not as many as EH kids who go to SH-- 37)
Hardy: 17
Hart: 11
Wells: 14
Jefferson: 47
Kelly Miller: 11
MacFarland: 28
McKinley Middle: 10
SWWFS: 15
Sousa: 11
Stuart-Hobson: 54 (compared to 142 IB kids going to SH and 42 going to Latin)
High schools (these numbers over 4 grades):
Anacostia: 12
Cardozo: see above, 24
Dunbar: 31
Eastern: 80
Roosevelt: 14
JR: 33
So, BASIS high school is attracting a total of 113 kids who are IB for Eastern or JR (which is different from the number of kids who have feeder rights to those schools). Over four grades, that's 28 kids per grade. Is that really so wow?
28 kids per grade as a percentage of enrolled kids is the part you are glossing over. The 113 kids is 66% of enrolled HS kids. Yes, that is a large percentage.
P.S. The data is showing boundary, not feeder rights, a point you continue to misunderstand.
BASIS high school only has 170 kids total, you're saying? That does not seem correct.
Anonymous wrote:It seems like people are trying to assert that kids with rights to (not the same as IB for) Deal, Hardy, JR, and Stuart-Hobson are a significant proportion of BASIS' enrollment. And that may be true, I'm really not sure. Ok, yay for BASIS.
But at the same time, it's also the case that a lot of kids who have access to a high-quality middle school are not choosing BASIS. And that's why you see zero kids from Janney going to BASIS, for example. This data doesn't tell us how many kids wanted to go to BASIS but didn't get in, but it also doesn't tell us how many kids are at BASIS only because they didn't get anything they like better, and how many kids wouldn't have gone to BASIS even if they had applied and matched. But it strikes me as notable when people choose Stuart-Hobson over BASIS even though Eastern isn't an appealing high school. And it seems in this data that a lot of people are choosing Stuart-Hobson.
100% of the kids in my household attend JR, but that doesn't mean I think JR is really that great. And it doesn't make them a significant proportion of JR's enrollment.
The boundary data that has been used is for in boundary. Further, as has now been explained 10 times, as a 100% lottery school no one school could or should make up a significant proportion. No one suggested those schools make up a significant proportion. What was said was that those middle schools represent a greater proportion than some of the "lessor middle schools", in opposition to what some dimwit said. An idea you have now inexplicably repeated while inserting some inane IB vs OOB right concept.
If by "kids who have access to a high quality middle school" you mean Deal and Hardy, YOU ARE WRONG. There are more kids IB for those schools at BASIS than all but one non-CH middle school. Of course it isn't most of those schools' kids; BASIS has only 135 5th grade seats and it is a pure lottery. No one said it was most of those IB kids. Let me repeat: What was said was that available data shows us that (contrary to you repeating your unfounded beliefs) Deal and Hardy IB kids are sending more kids to BASIS than everyone except the 3 CH middle schools and MacFarland. Which debunks the idea that kids who have a "good" (Deal/Hardy) MS path don't attend.
Oh brother. If you’re a Basis parent, I’m glad we didn’t get in.
The point is: a very small proportion of strong IB MS choose Basis. Nobody ever said NONE.
Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...
S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.
Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.
Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.
Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.
Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.
LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.
Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.
More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.
BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.
I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.
Well the data says otherwise, but ok…
Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!
Wow. Where to start.
Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.
For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC
There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School
After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries
Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?
Now control for sibling preference.
I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.
Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...
P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.
I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?
I am annoyed not on behalf of BASIS, but because we live in a world where people like you just make sh*t up and don't have the decency to go away when called out on it. The poster said straight up that kids form Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS, only kids from poor MS. The data disproves it. Do you think you are cute introducing some BS concept of "not as many as I would have expected"? What does that mean? If you are the poster who just got exposed, it is by definition more than you expected. You were given the data.
Or are you denying having typed: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? Because they do, as a percentage of all kids enrolled. And since the school is pure lottery, if they didn't apply in higher numbers they would not be admitted in higher numbers.
Keep typing. You look dumber each time.
I said they don't enroll "in significant numbers", and I stand by it. And I really don't know how you calculate them as a total of all kids enrolled in BASIS. Care to explain?
Cute turn of phrase, but nonsense. As has been explained to you several times, because BASIS is a pure lottery the enrollment is a relative concept. You are now hiding behind that parsing because you're starting to understand that your supposition that kids from Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS is wrong.
And, yes, happy to explain. DC publishes enrollment data by boundary. The fact that you don't know this explains how your impressions could have been so wrong. Heck, I could have lived with your ignorance before you were shown the data. What I have a harder time with is that after you were shown data you kept plugging away based only on your own misplaced self confidence. And it only occurs to you 4 responses in to inquire about the data?
Cite the data?
It's not just about boundary residence, it's about kids having middle school feeder rights due to graduating from an elementary school for which they are OOB.
In boundary schools for basis students:
SY21-22 DCPS Boundary SY21-22 Count of Grade-Specific Students Living in the DCPS Boundary that Attend the School
Anacostia High School 12
Brent Elementary School 11
Brookland Middle School 10
Cardozo Education Campus 45
Deal Middle School 25
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
Maury Elementary School 11
McKinley Middle School 10
Peabody Elementary School/Watkins Elementary School Capitol Hill Cluster 14
Roosevelt High School 14
School Without Walls @ Francis-Stevens 15
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54
Wilson High School 33
Very interesting! So we can get a picture of the 5th grade class by looking at kids who are zoned for elementaries.
Brent: 11 to BASIS
Maury: 11 to BASIS
Watkins: 14 to BASIS
SWW@FS: 15 to BASIS, but they could be in any of the overlap grades, so I'm gonna call this 4 (15/4 grades)
And that's all, for elementary schools sending 10 or more kids to BASIS.
Looking at middle schools, so this is over the overlapping grades:
Brookland: 10
Cardozo EC: 45 kids over 7 grades, so I'll call it 21 middle school kids and 24 high school kids just as an estimate.
Deal: 25
Eliot-Hine: 29 (but not as many as EH kids who go to SH-- 37)
Hardy: 17
Hart: 11
Wells: 14
Jefferson: 47
Kelly Miller: 11
MacFarland: 28
McKinley Middle: 10
SWWFS: 15
Sousa: 11
Stuart-Hobson: 54 (compared to 142 IB kids going to SH and 42 going to Latin)
High schools (these numbers over 4 grades):
Anacostia: 12
Cardozo: see above, 24
Dunbar: 31
Eastern: 80
Roosevelt: 14
JR: 33
So, BASIS high school is attracting a total of 113 kids who are IB for Eastern or JR (which is different from the number of kids who have feeder rights to those schools). Over four grades, that's 28 kids per grade. Is that really so wow?
28 kids per grade as a percentage of enrolled kids is the part you are glossing over. The 113 kids is 66% of enrolled HS kids. Yes, that is a large percentage.
P.S. The data is showing boundary, not feeder rights, a point you continue to misunderstand.
BASIS high school only has 170 kids total, you're saying? That does not seem correct.
Why not? BASIS high school is known to be very small.
Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...
S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.
Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.
Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.
Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.
Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.
LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.
Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.
More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.
BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.
I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.
Well the data says otherwise, but ok…
Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!
Wow. Where to start.
Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.
For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC
There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School
After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries
Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?
Now control for sibling preference.
I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.
Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...
P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.
I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?
I am annoyed not on behalf of BASIS, but because we live in a world where people like you just make sh*t up and don't have the decency to go away when called out on it. The poster said straight up that kids form Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS, only kids from poor MS. The data disproves it. Do you think you are cute introducing some BS concept of "not as many as I would have expected"? What does that mean? If you are the poster who just got exposed, it is by definition more than you expected. You were given the data.
Or are you denying having typed: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? Because they do, as a percentage of all kids enrolled. And since the school is pure lottery, if they didn't apply in higher numbers they would not be admitted in higher numbers.
Keep typing. You look dumber each time.
I said they don't enroll "in significant numbers", and I stand by it. And I really don't know how you calculate them as a total of all kids enrolled in BASIS. Care to explain?
Cute turn of phrase, but nonsense. As has been explained to you several times, because BASIS is a pure lottery the enrollment is a relative concept. You are now hiding behind that parsing because you're starting to understand that your supposition that kids from Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS is wrong.
And, yes, happy to explain. DC publishes enrollment data by boundary. The fact that you don't know this explains how your impressions could have been so wrong. Heck, I could have lived with your ignorance before you were shown the data. What I have a harder time with is that after you were shown data you kept plugging away based only on your own misplaced self confidence. And it only occurs to you 4 responses in to inquire about the data?
Cite the data?
It's not just about boundary residence, it's about kids having middle school feeder rights due to graduating from an elementary school for which they are OOB.
In boundary schools for basis students:
SY21-22 DCPS Boundary SY21-22 Count of Grade-Specific Students Living in the DCPS Boundary that Attend the School
Anacostia High School 12
Brent Elementary School 11
Brookland Middle School 10
Cardozo Education Campus 45
Deal Middle School 25
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
Maury Elementary School 11
McKinley Middle School 10
Peabody Elementary School/Watkins Elementary School Capitol Hill Cluster 14
Roosevelt High School 14
School Without Walls @ Francis-Stevens 15
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54
Wilson High School 33
Very interesting! So we can get a picture of the 5th grade class by looking at kids who are zoned for elementaries.
Brent: 11 to BASIS
Maury: 11 to BASIS
Watkins: 14 to BASIS
SWW@FS: 15 to BASIS, but they could be in any of the overlap grades, so I'm gonna call this 4 (15/4 grades)
And that's all, for elementary schools sending 10 or more kids to BASIS.
Looking at middle schools, so this is over the overlapping grades:
Brookland: 10
Cardozo EC: 45 kids over 7 grades, so I'll call it 21 middle school kids and 24 high school kids just as an estimate.
Deal: 25
Eliot-Hine: 29 (but not as many as EH kids who go to SH-- 37)
Hardy: 17
Hart: 11
Wells: 14
Jefferson: 47
Kelly Miller: 11
MacFarland: 28
McKinley Middle: 10
SWWFS: 15
Sousa: 11
Stuart-Hobson: 54 (compared to 142 IB kids going to SH and 42 going to Latin)
High schools (these numbers over 4 grades):
Anacostia: 12
Cardozo: see above, 24
Dunbar: 31
Eastern: 80
Roosevelt: 14
JR: 33
So, BASIS high school is attracting a total of 113 kids who are IB for Eastern or JR (which is different from the number of kids who have feeder rights to those schools). Over four grades, that's 28 kids per grade. Is that really so wow?
28 kids per grade as a percentage of enrolled kids is the part you are glossing over. The 113 kids is 66% of enrolled HS kids. Yes, that is a large percentage.
P.S. The data is showing boundary, not feeder rights, a point you continue to misunderstand.
BASIS high school only has 170 kids total, you're saying? That does not seem correct.
Why not? BASIS high school is known to be very small.
Well, if you look at the OSSE enrollment audit spreadsheets it says 214 kids for grades 9-12 in SY 21-22.
Anonymous wrote:It seems like people are trying to assert that kids with rights to (not the same as IB for) Deal, Hardy, JR, and Stuart-Hobson are a significant proportion of BASIS' enrollment. And that may be true, I'm really not sure. Ok, yay for BASIS.
But at the same time, it's also the case that a lot of kids who have access to a high-quality middle school are not choosing BASIS. And that's why you see zero kids from Janney going to BASIS, for example. This data doesn't tell us how many kids wanted to go to BASIS but didn't get in, but it also doesn't tell us how many kids are at BASIS only because they didn't get anything they like better, and how many kids wouldn't have gone to BASIS even if they had applied and matched. But it strikes me as notable when people choose Stuart-Hobson over BASIS even though Eastern isn't an appealing high school. And it seems in this data that a lot of people are choosing Stuart-Hobson.
100% of the kids in my household attend JR, but that doesn't mean I think JR is really that great. And it doesn't make them a significant proportion of JR's enrollment.
The boundary data that has been used is for in boundary. Further, as has now been explained 10 times, as a 100% lottery school no one school could or should make up a significant proportion. No one suggested those schools make up a significant proportion. What was said was that those middle schools represent a greater proportion than some of the "lessor middle schools", in opposition to what some dimwit said. An idea you have now inexplicably repeated while inserting some inane IB vs OOB right concept.
If by "kids who have access to a high quality middle school" you mean Deal and Hardy, YOU ARE WRONG. There are more kids IB for those schools at BASIS than all but one non-CH middle school. Of course it isn't most of those schools' kids; BASIS has only 135 5th grade seats and it is a pure lottery. No one said it was most of those IB kids. Let me repeat: What was said was that available data shows us that (contrary to you repeating your unfounded beliefs) Deal and Hardy IB kids are sending more kids to BASIS than everyone except the 3 CH middle schools and MacFarland. Which debunks the idea that kids who have a "good" (Deal/Hardy) MS path don't attend.
Oh brother. If you’re a Basis parent, I’m glad we didn’t get in.
The point is: a very small proportion of strong IB MS choose Basis. Nobody ever said NONE.
Best for all concerned. Your match and analytic skills would not have permitted you to effectively support your kid's BASIS education as evidenced by the fact that you don't see to grasp that the number of kids in a school is limited by overall enrollment. Or did you think a school with only 650 kids across 8 grades was enrolling a couple hundred per grade?
Anonymous wrote:It seems like people are trying to assert that kids with rights to (not the same as IB for) Deal, Hardy, JR, and Stuart-Hobson are a significant proportion of BASIS' enrollment. And that may be true, I'm really not sure. Ok, yay for BASIS.
But at the same time, it's also the case that a lot of kids who have access to a high-quality middle school are not choosing BASIS. And that's why you see zero kids from Janney going to BASIS, for example. This data doesn't tell us how many kids wanted to go to BASIS but didn't get in, but it also doesn't tell us how many kids are at BASIS only because they didn't get anything they like better, and how many kids wouldn't have gone to BASIS even if they had applied and matched. But it strikes me as notable when people choose Stuart-Hobson over BASIS even though Eastern isn't an appealing high school. And it seems in this data that a lot of people are choosing Stuart-Hobson.
100% of the kids in my household attend JR, but that doesn't mean I think JR is really that great. And it doesn't make them a significant proportion of JR's enrollment.
The boundary data that has been used is for in boundary. Further, as has now been explained 10 times, as a 100% lottery school no one school could or should make up a significant proportion. No one suggested those schools make up a significant proportion. What was said was that those middle schools represent a greater proportion than some of the "lessor middle schools", in opposition to what some dimwit said. An idea you have now inexplicably repeated while inserting some inane IB vs OOB right concept.
If by "kids who have access to a high quality middle school" you mean Deal and Hardy, YOU ARE WRONG. There are more kids IB for those schools at BASIS than all but one non-CH middle school. Of course it isn't most of those schools' kids; BASIS has only 135 5th grade seats and it is a pure lottery. No one said it was most of those IB kids. Let me repeat: What was said was that available data shows us that (contrary to you repeating your unfounded beliefs) Deal and Hardy IB kids are sending more kids to BASIS than everyone except the 3 CH middle schools and MacFarland. Which debunks the idea that kids who have a "good" (Deal/Hardy) MS path don't attend.
Oh brother. If you’re a Basis parent, I’m glad we didn’t get in.
The point is: a very small proportion of strong IB MS choose Basis. Nobody ever said NONE.
Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...
S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.
Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.
Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.
Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.
Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.
LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.
Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.
More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.
BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.
I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.
Well the data says otherwise, but ok…
Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!
Wow. Where to start.
Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.
For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC
There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School
After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries
Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?
Now control for sibling preference.
I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.
Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...
P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.
I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?
I am annoyed not on behalf of BASIS, but because we live in a world where people like you just make sh*t up and don't have the decency to go away when called out on it. The poster said straight up that kids form Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS, only kids from poor MS. The data disproves it. Do you think you are cute introducing some BS concept of "not as many as I would have expected"? What does that mean? If you are the poster who just got exposed, it is by definition more than you expected. You were given the data.
Or are you denying having typed: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? Because they do, as a percentage of all kids enrolled. And since the school is pure lottery, if they didn't apply in higher numbers they would not be admitted in higher numbers.
Keep typing. You look dumber each time.
I said they don't enroll "in significant numbers", and I stand by it. And I really don't know how you calculate them as a total of all kids enrolled in BASIS. Care to explain?
Cute turn of phrase, but nonsense. As has been explained to you several times, because BASIS is a pure lottery the enrollment is a relative concept. You are now hiding behind that parsing because you're starting to understand that your supposition that kids from Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS is wrong.
And, yes, happy to explain. DC publishes enrollment data by boundary. The fact that you don't know this explains how your impressions could have been so wrong. Heck, I could have lived with your ignorance before you were shown the data. What I have a harder time with is that after you were shown data you kept plugging away based only on your own misplaced self confidence. And it only occurs to you 4 responses in to inquire about the data?
Cite the data?
It's not just about boundary residence, it's about kids having middle school feeder rights due to graduating from an elementary school for which they are OOB.
In boundary schools for basis students:
SY21-22 DCPS Boundary SY21-22 Count of Grade-Specific Students Living in the DCPS Boundary that Attend the School
Anacostia High School 12
Brent Elementary School 11
Brookland Middle School 10
Cardozo Education Campus 45
Deal Middle School 25
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
Maury Elementary School 11
McKinley Middle School 10
Peabody Elementary School/Watkins Elementary School Capitol Hill Cluster 14
Roosevelt High School 14
School Without Walls @ Francis-Stevens 15
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54
Wilson High School 33
Very interesting! So we can get a picture of the 5th grade class by looking at kids who are zoned for elementaries.
Brent: 11 to BASIS
Maury: 11 to BASIS
Watkins: 14 to BASIS
SWW@FS: 15 to BASIS, but they could be in any of the overlap grades, so I'm gonna call this 4 (15/4 grades)
And that's all, for elementary schools sending 10 or more kids to BASIS.
Looking at middle schools, so this is over the overlapping grades:
Brookland: 10
Cardozo EC: 45 kids over 7 grades, so I'll call it 21 middle school kids and 24 high school kids just as an estimate.
Deal: 25
Eliot-Hine: 29 (but not as many as EH kids who go to SH-- 37)
Hardy: 17
Hart: 11
Wells: 14
Jefferson: 47
Kelly Miller: 11
MacFarland: 28
McKinley Middle: 10
SWWFS: 15
Sousa: 11
Stuart-Hobson: 54 (compared to 142 IB kids going to SH and 42 going to Latin)
High schools (these numbers over 4 grades):
Anacostia: 12
Cardozo: see above, 24
Dunbar: 31
Eastern: 80
Roosevelt: 14
JR: 33
So, BASIS high school is attracting a total of 113 kids who are IB for Eastern or JR (which is different from the number of kids who have feeder rights to those schools). Over four grades, that's 28 kids per grade. Is that really so wow?
28 kids per grade as a percentage of enrolled kids is the part you are glossing over. The 113 kids is 66% of enrolled HS kids. Yes, that is a large percentage.
P.S. The data is showing boundary, not feeder rights, a point you continue to misunderstand.
I’m not sure why this is important. “Parents who already went to the trouble of lotterying into a JR feeder go to JR and not BASIS.” Sure, they’ve already shown JR is important to them by driving their kid across town for elementary school. It’s not surprising that they stick with it.
The same dumb person is posting over and over again and somehow still doesn’t understand that the number of enrolled kids from a particular IB school does not equal the number of families who were attracted to BASIS and would have gone if they had gotten in. Because it’s a lottery school, we will never know.
But also, WHO CARES???
It’s almost like they’re IB for Elliot Hine, didn’t get into BASIS, and are trying to justify their butthurt…
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