Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

Now control for sibling preference.

I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.

Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...

P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.

I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?

You really can’t assert this without knowing what the waitlist looks like.

This is last year's data so I believe it's post-waitlist movement, I assume it's enrollment audit data.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

Now control for sibling preference.

I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.

Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...

P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.

I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?

I am annoyed not on behalf of BASIS, but because we live in a world where people like you just make sh*t up and don't have the decency to go away when called out on it. The poster said straight up that kids form Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS, only kids from poor MS. The data disproves it. Do you think you are cute introducing some BS concept of "not as many as I would have expected"? What does that mean? If you are the poster who just got exposed, it is by definition more than you expected. You were given the data.

Or are you denying having typed: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? Because they do, as a percentage of all kids enrolled. And since the school is pure lottery, if they didn't apply in higher numbers they would not be admitted in higher numbers.

Keep typing. You look dumber each time.

I said they don't enroll "in significant numbers", and I stand by it. And I really don't know how you calculate them as a total of all kids enrolled in BASIS. Care to explain?

Cute turn of phrase, but nonsense. As has been explained to you several times, because BASIS is a pure lottery the enrollment is a relative concept. You are now hiding behind that parsing because you're starting to understand that your supposition that kids from Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS is wrong.

And, yes, happy to explain. DC publishes enrollment data by boundary. The fact that you don't know this explains how your impressions could have been so wrong. Heck, I could have lived with your ignorance before you were shown the data. What I have a harder time with is that after you were shown data you kept plugging away based only on your own misplaced self confidence. And it only occurs to you 4 responses in to inquire about the data?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

I am not PP, but Watkins sent 56 kids to SH, so 17 to Basis is actually not that huge a number... It's just got big classes.

I do think PP's point is valid, which is that Basis let 65% of kids who applied in, so if Basis was where everyone at these Hill schools actually wanted to go, you would see even bigger exoduses than you do/the admit rate would decrease quickly (as it has for Latin).

Then, respectfully, you need to learn to read. PPP argued that kids from SH, Deal,, Hardy and JR don't enroll at BASIS. That is what they wrote. (Set aside for the moment they didn't know Watkins fed to SH). Do you really think this point is valid when the data shows us the opposite? Your reply focusing on admit % is equally as mind numbingly ignorant. Whatever the admit numbers (unless they are 100%) since the lottery is pure chance the admissions should track demand, which means demand comes precisely from where PPP said it does not.

The concept you've introduced is nonsense as well. Since BASIS is pure lotter and admits only 65%, we don't know how many kids would have escaped if they could have. Furthermore, you've gone and done that DCUM thing where you argue a case not made about BASIS isn't true. Problem is, no one suggested all kids from Watkins go to or want to go to BASIS. You are seeking to disprove something no one suggested was so.

I genuinely don't understand your reply. PP said Basis didn't appeal broadly. I don't know if that was the best way to put it, but I do think probably only 1/3 of kids at Hill schools want to go; it's more like 75% for Latin. Because it's very hard to get into Latin, EH has a chance to take root even if Basis continues to have a high percentage admit rate. (If Latin, in contrast, had a similar percentage admit rate, it would have a much more negative effect on EH.) If Hill schools are losing <25% of their class to a school that takes 65% of all kids, obviously that's statistically meaningful re: applicant numbers even if it's a lottery.

I think EH is on a good trajectory. That is in no way exclusive of my issues with people having the gall to post nonsense in the face of actual data. You are also defending EH when no one (at least not I) took a shot at it. Far from it, I pointed out the demand for BASIS is all other the map, including from Hardy, Deal and SH boundaries. Also, the quote from the moron you keep defending was: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? That is wrong.

No, it’s correct. As a percentage of people IB for Deal, Hardy and SH (and increasingly EH), the number chosing Basis is small and will get smaller. Most families prefer a strong IB conventional MS. This has nothing to do with you prefering Basis. It has its place.

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People on this board often say that taking Bancroft/Shepherd out of the Deal feed wouldn't make a dent in overcrowding. But, this shows pretty clearly that it would, it's over 100 6th graders. There are almost as many kids from Shepherd as there are from Janney.

Not saying that they should do that, and I know it's very unlikely due to the demographics regardless, just saying that a commonly-used argument doesn't seem to hold water based on the data.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

Now control for sibling preference.

I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.

Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...

P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.

I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?

I am annoyed not on behalf of BASIS, but because we live in a world where people like you just make sh*t up and don't have the decency to go away when called out on it. The poster said straight up that kids form Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS, only kids from poor MS. The data disproves it. Do you think you are cute introducing some BS concept of "not as many as I would have expected"? What does that mean? If you are the poster who just got exposed, it is by definition more than you expected. You were given the data.

Or are you denying having typed: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? Because they do, as a percentage of all kids enrolled. And since the school is pure lottery, if they didn't apply in higher numbers they would not be admitted in higher numbers.

Keep typing. You look dumber each time.

I said they don't enroll "in significant numbers", and I stand by it. And I really don't know how you calculate them as a total of all kids enrolled in BASIS. Care to explain?

Cute turn of phrase, but nonsense. As has been explained to you several times, because BASIS is a pure lottery the enrollment is a relative concept. You are now hiding behind that parsing because you're starting to understand that your supposition that kids from Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS is wrong.

And, yes, happy to explain. DC publishes enrollment data by boundary. The fact that you don't know this explains how your impressions could have been so wrong. Heck, I could have lived with your ignorance before you were shown the data. What I have a harder time with is that after you were shown data you kept plugging away based only on your own misplaced self confidence. And it only occurs to you 4 responses in to inquire about the data?

Cite the data?

It's not just about boundary residence, it's about kids having middle school feeder rights due to graduating from an elementary school for which they are OOB.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

Now control for sibling preference.

I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.

Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...

P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.

I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?

You really can’t assert this without knowing what the waitlist looks like.

We know what actual enrollment by boundary looks like. It is publicly available.

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It seems like people are trying to assert that kids with rights to (not the same as IB for) Deal, Hardy, JR, and Stuart-Hobson are a significant proportion of BASIS' enrollment. And that may be true, I'm really not sure. Ok, yay for BASIS.

But at the same time, it's also the case that a lot of kids who have access to a high-quality middle school are not choosing BASIS. And that's why you see zero kids from Janney going to BASIS, for example. This data doesn't tell us how many kids wanted to go to BASIS but didn't get in, but it also doesn't tell us how many kids are at BASIS only because they didn't get anything they like better, and how many kids wouldn't have gone to BASIS even if they had applied and matched. But it strikes me as notable when people choose Stuart-Hobson over BASIS even though Eastern isn't an appealing high school. And it seems in this data that a lot of people are choosing Stuart-Hobson.

100% of the kids in my household attend JR, but that doesn't mean I think JR is really that great. And it doesn't make them a significant proportion of JR's enrollment.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

Now control for sibling preference.

I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.

Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...

P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.

I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?

You really can’t assert this without knowing what the waitlist looks like.

This is last year's data so I believe it's post-waitlist movement, I assume it's enrollment audit data.

I am 99% sure it includes kids who left my kids' school and came back (weird destination school & combo of sibling grades makes it difficult to imagine this isn't the family I'm thinking of), but I'm not 100% sure if they came back before or after count day. So it's definitely not up to date, but it could be post-count day.

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If you really want to add it up, using "?" for n<10":

SH feeders (Watkins, Ludlow-Taylor, JOW): 17, ?, 0. So between 18 and 26 kids.

Deal feeders (Bancroft, Hearst, Janney, Lafayette, Murch, Shepherd, OA): 0, 0, 0, ?, 0, 0, ?. So between 2 and 18 kids.

Hardy feeders (Eaton, HA, Key, Mann, Stoddert): ?, ?, ?, ?, 0. So between 4 and 36 kids.

So the number is somewhere between 24 and 80 kids. As a proportion of 135 5th graders it's less than 60 percent. Potentially as low as 18%.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

Now control for sibling preference.

I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.

Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...

P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.

I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?

I am annoyed not on behalf of BASIS, but because we live in a world where people like you just make sh*t up and don't have the decency to go away when called out on it. The poster said straight up that kids form Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS, only kids from poor MS. The data disproves it. Do you think you are cute introducing some BS concept of "not as many as I would have expected"? What does that mean? If you are the poster who just got exposed, it is by definition more than you expected. You were given the data.

Or are you denying having typed: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? Because they do, as a percentage of all kids enrolled. And since the school is pure lottery, if they didn't apply in higher numbers they would not be admitted in higher numbers.

Keep typing. You look dumber each time.

I said they don't enroll "in significant numbers", and I stand by it. And I really don't know how you calculate them as a total of all kids enrolled in BASIS. Care to explain?

Cute turn of phrase, but nonsense. As has been explained to you several times, because BASIS is a pure lottery the enrollment is a relative concept. You are now hiding behind that parsing because you're starting to understand that your supposition that kids from Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS is wrong.

And, yes, happy to explain. DC publishes enrollment data by boundary. The fact that you don't know this explains how your impressions could have been so wrong. Heck, I could have lived with your ignorance before you were shown the data. What I have a harder time with is that after you were shown data you kept plugging away based only on your own misplaced self confidence. And it only occurs to you 4 responses in to inquire about the data?

Cite the data?

It's not just about boundary residence, it's about kids having middle school feeder rights due to graduating from an elementary school for which they are OOB.

In boundary schools for basis students:

SY21-22 DCPS Boundary SY21-22 Count of Grade-Specific Students Living in the DCPS Boundary that Attend the School
Anacostia High School 12
Brent Elementary School 11
Brookland Middle School 10
Cardozo Education Campus 45
Deal Middle School 25
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
Maury Elementary School 11
McKinley Middle School 10
Peabody Elementary School/Watkins Elementary School Capitol Hill Cluster 14
Roosevelt High School 14
School Without Walls @ Francis-Stevens 15
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54
Wilson High School 33


https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

Now control for sibling preference.

I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.

Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...

P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.

I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?

I am annoyed not on behalf of BASIS, but because we live in a world where people like you just make sh*t up and don't have the decency to go away when called out on it. The poster said straight up that kids form Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS, only kids from poor MS. The data disproves it. Do you think you are cute introducing some BS concept of "not as many as I would have expected"? What does that mean? If you are the poster who just got exposed, it is by definition more than you expected. You were given the data.

Or are you denying having typed: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? Because they do, as a percentage of all kids enrolled. And since the school is pure lottery, if they didn't apply in higher numbers they would not be admitted in higher numbers.

Keep typing. You look dumber each time.

I said they don't enroll "in significant numbers", and I stand by it. And I really don't know how you calculate them as a total of all kids enrolled in BASIS. Care to explain?

Cute turn of phrase, but nonsense. As has been explained to you several times, because BASIS is a pure lottery the enrollment is a relative concept. You are now hiding behind that parsing because you're starting to understand that your supposition that kids from Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS is wrong.

And, yes, happy to explain. DC publishes enrollment data by boundary. The fact that you don't know this explains how your impressions could have been so wrong. Heck, I could have lived with your ignorance before you were shown the data. What I have a harder time with is that after you were shown data you kept plugging away based only on your own misplaced self confidence. And it only occurs to you 4 responses in to inquire about the data?

Cite the data?

It's not just about boundary residence, it's about kids having middle school feeder rights due to graduating from an elementary school for which they are OOB.

In boundary schools for basis students:

SY21-22 DCPS Boundary SY21-22 Count of Grade-Specific Students Living in the DCPS Boundary that Attend the School
Anacostia High School 12
Brent Elementary School 11
Brookland Middle School 10
Cardozo Education Campus 45
Deal Middle School 25
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
Maury Elementary School 11
McKinley Middle School 10
Peabody Elementary School/Watkins Elementary School Capitol Hill Cluster 14
Roosevelt High School 14
School Without Walls @ Francis-Stevens 15
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54
Wilson High School 33


https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

This only includes schools at 10+. There are definitely L-T IB kids who are currently 6th graders at BASIS (so were 5th graders last year).

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

Now control for sibling preference.

I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.

Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...

P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.

I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?

I am annoyed not on behalf of BASIS, but because we live in a world where people like you just make sh*t up and don't have the decency to go away when called out on it. The poster said straight up that kids form Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS, only kids from poor MS. The data disproves it. Do you think you are cute introducing some BS concept of "not as many as I would have expected"? What does that mean? If you are the poster who just got exposed, it is by definition more than you expected. You were given the data.

Or are you denying having typed: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? Because they do, as a percentage of all kids enrolled. And since the school is pure lottery, if they didn't apply in higher numbers they would not be admitted in higher numbers.

Keep typing. You look dumber each time.

I said they don't enroll "in significant numbers", and I stand by it. And I really don't know how you calculate them as a total of all kids enrolled in BASIS. Care to explain?

Cute turn of phrase, but nonsense. As has been explained to you several times, because BASIS is a pure lottery the enrollment is a relative concept. You are now hiding behind that parsing because you're starting to understand that your supposition that kids from Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS is wrong.

And, yes, happy to explain. DC publishes enrollment data by boundary. The fact that you don't know this explains how your impressions could have been so wrong. Heck, I could have lived with your ignorance before you were shown the data. What I have a harder time with is that after you were shown data you kept plugging away based only on your own misplaced self confidence. And it only occurs to you 4 responses in to inquire about the data?

Cite the data?

It's not just about boundary residence, it's about kids having middle school feeder rights due to graduating from an elementary school for which they are OOB.

In boundary schools for basis students:

SY21-22 DCPS Boundary SY21-22 Count of Grade-Specific Students Living in the DCPS Boundary that Attend the School
Anacostia High School 12
Brent Elementary School 11
Brookland Middle School 10
Cardozo Education Campus 45
Deal Middle School 25
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
Maury Elementary School 11
McKinley Middle School 10
Peabody Elementary School/Watkins Elementary School Capitol Hill Cluster 14
Roosevelt High School 14
School Without Walls @ Francis-Stevens 15
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54
Wilson High School 33


https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

Very interesting! So we can get a picture of the 5th grade class by looking at kids who are zoned for elementaries.

Brent: 11 to BASIS
Maury: 11 to BASIS
Watkins: 14 to BASIS
SWW@FS: 15 to BASIS, but they could be in any of the overlap grades, so I'm gonna call this 4 (15/4 grades)
And that's all, for elementary schools sending 10 or more kids to BASIS.

Looking at middle schools, so this is over the overlapping grades:
Brookland: 10
Cardozo EC: 45 kids over 7 grades, so I'll call it 21 middle school kids and 24 high school kids just as an estimate.
Deal: 25
Eliot-Hine: 29 (but not as many as EH kids who go to SH-- 37)
Hardy: 17
Hart: 11
Wells: 14
Jefferson: 47
Kelly Miller: 11
MacFarland: 28
McKinley Middle: 10
SWWFS: 15
Sousa: 11
Stuart-Hobson: 54 (compared to 142 IB kids going to SH and 42 going to Latin)

High schools (these numbers over 4 grades):
Anacostia: 12
Cardozo: see above, 24
Dunbar: 31
Eastern: 80
Roosevelt: 14
JR: 33

So, BASIS high school is attracting a total of 113 kids who are IB for Eastern or JR (which is different from the number of kids who have feeder rights to those schools). Over four grades, that's 28 kids per grade. Is that really so wow?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

Now control for sibling preference.

I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.

Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...

P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.

I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?

I am annoyed not on behalf of BASIS, but because we live in a world where people like you just make sh*t up and don't have the decency to go away when called out on it. The poster said straight up that kids form Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS, only kids from poor MS. The data disproves it. Do you think you are cute introducing some BS concept of "not as many as I would have expected"? What does that mean? If you are the poster who just got exposed, it is by definition more than you expected. You were given the data.

Or are you denying having typed: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? Because they do, as a percentage of all kids enrolled. And since the school is pure lottery, if they didn't apply in higher numbers they would not be admitted in higher numbers.

Keep typing. You look dumber each time.

I said they don't enroll "in significant numbers", and I stand by it. And I really don't know how you calculate them as a total of all kids enrolled in BASIS. Care to explain?

Cute turn of phrase, but nonsense. As has been explained to you several times, because BASIS is a pure lottery the enrollment is a relative concept. You are now hiding behind that parsing because you're starting to understand that your supposition that kids from Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS is wrong.

And, yes, happy to explain. DC publishes enrollment data by boundary. The fact that you don't know this explains how your impressions could have been so wrong. Heck, I could have lived with your ignorance before you were shown the data. What I have a harder time with is that after you were shown data you kept plugging away based only on your own misplaced self confidence. And it only occurs to you 4 responses in to inquire about the data?

Cite the data?

It's not just about boundary residence, it's about kids having middle school feeder rights due to graduating from an elementary school for which they are OOB.

In boundary schools for basis students:

SY21-22 DCPS Boundary SY21-22 Count of Grade-Specific Students Living in the DCPS Boundary that Attend the School
Anacostia High School 12
Brent Elementary School 11
Brookland Middle School 10
Cardozo Education Campus 45
Deal Middle School 25
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
Maury Elementary School 11
McKinley Middle School 10
Peabody Elementary School/Watkins Elementary School Capitol Hill Cluster 14
Roosevelt High School 14
School Without Walls @ Francis-Stevens 15
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54
Wilson High School 33


https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

This only includes schools at 10+. There are definitely L-T IB kids who are currently 6th graders at BASIS (so were 5th graders last year).

You misunderstand the data. Kids who are IB for LT would only be on the list for LT for 5th grade. Once in 6th they'd show up in SH's numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, interesting that the folks who say Maury is increasingly sending kids to E-H appear to be right! 27 kids went from Maury to E-H last year?? Only 12 from Payne though, which is interesting...

S-H has decent buy-in from across its feeders, if still quite Watkins slanted (27 L-T, 29 JOW, 56 Watkins). That's definitely a foundation to grow from though.

Jefferson... all the people claiming Brent families were going there in any kind of numbers? Not even a little. Sub-10. Wow.

Current Payne 3rd and 5th grade parent here - class of 2022 at Payne was only maybe 17 kids - not because of exodus to charters, just a small grade. In general, Payne is a smaller school - only two classes per grade (except for ECE w/ 3 classes per grade) Current 5th grade class is over 40 kids and a good number of us will be at EH next year.

Maury 5th parent here. Your 5th is the same size as ours! So you think at least 30 will go? I’m actually getting a little excited.

Ah, interesting the 5th grades are the same size. Last year I think we had one 4th grade student leave for a charter, I am not sure if that will continue to be the trend or if we will start seeing the 4th/5th drop at Payne that other schools see. I don't know all of the parents well enough to ask them about next year, but so far I have only heard of one child who will not be at EH next year.
Either way, there is a lot of positive talk about the school, definitely more than a few years ago. And like somebody else said, I think part of that is due to the Principal and the strong community they seem to be building. In the past few weeks we have been at the school for their Basketball Fever feeder event and their production of Moana, and our kids really enjoyed them.

LOL. I can name at least five students in our charter who left Maury after fourth grade.

Oh, sorry, are you saying you're at Payne. If so, I take that back.

More Maury families will start to stay through 5th and EH. Probably most will jump for Latin, but Basis is not broadly appealing, and at this point, most will chose EH over the other charters like TR, ITS.

BASIS is not broadly appealing? What are you talking about? BASIS is basically a who's who of Capitol Hill elementary schools.

I have no issue with Basis and am happy for families who like it. But no, it is not broadly appealing. Many parents don't want it and would much prefer a solid DCPS MS.

Well the data says otherwise, but ok…

Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow!

Wow. Where to start.

Watkins is a SH feeder, so you've effectively undermined your entire premise all by yourself.

For SY 21-22 (last available data) there are more kids from the SH boundary enrolled at BASIS than any other MS in DC

There are more kids in the Deal and Hardy boundaries (respectively) at BASIS than from the following boundaries: Ida B. Wells Middle School
Hart Middle School
Kelly Miller Middle School
Sousa Middle School
Brookland Middle School
McKinley Middle School

After Eastern, there are more kids at BASIS from the JR boundary than from any other DC HS boundaries

Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs?

Now control for sibling preference.

I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong.

Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait...

P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too.

I never understand why BASIS fans get so angry. It's true that some families with SH, Deal, Hardy and JR rights do send their kids to BASIS. But not as many as I would expect, which shows that BASIS is appealing only to some of them. If you got a kid or two from a DCI feeder, yay, but the numbers are so tiny it doesn't mean much. I asserted that DCI feeder kids don't attend BASIS *in significant numbers*, and I believe that's what the data show. For example, at Yu Ying, n<10 went to BASIS and 52 stayed at Yu Ying. Is that really so impressive?

I am annoyed not on behalf of BASIS, but because we live in a world where people like you just make sh*t up and don't have the decency to go away when called out on it. The poster said straight up that kids form Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS, only kids from poor MS. The data disproves it. Do you think you are cute introducing some BS concept of "not as many as I would have expected"? What does that mean? If you are the poster who just got exposed, it is by definition more than you expected. You were given the data.

Or are you denying having typed: "People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers"? Because they do, as a percentage of all kids enrolled. And since the school is pure lottery, if they didn't apply in higher numbers they would not be admitted in higher numbers.

Keep typing. You look dumber each time.

I said they don't enroll "in significant numbers", and I stand by it. And I really don't know how you calculate them as a total of all kids enrolled in BASIS. Care to explain?

Cute turn of phrase, but nonsense. As has been explained to you several times, because BASIS is a pure lottery the enrollment is a relative concept. You are now hiding behind that parsing because you're starting to understand that your supposition that kids from Deal, Hardy and SH don't enroll at BASIS is wrong.

And, yes, happy to explain. DC publishes enrollment data by boundary. The fact that you don't know this explains how your impressions could have been so wrong. Heck, I could have lived with your ignorance before you were shown the data. What I have a harder time with is that after you were shown data you kept plugging away based only on your own misplaced self confidence. And it only occurs to you 4 responses in to inquire about the data?

Cite the data?

It's not just about boundary residence, it's about kids having middle school feeder rights due to graduating from an elementary school for which they are OOB.

In boundary schools for basis students:

SY21-22 DCPS Boundary SY21-22 Count of Grade-Specific Students Living in the DCPS Boundary that Attend the School
Anacostia High School 12
Brent Elementary School 11
Brookland Middle School 10
Cardozo Education Campus 45
Deal Middle School 25
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
Maury Elementary School 11
McKinley Middle School 10
Peabody Elementary School/Watkins Elementary School Capitol Hill Cluster 14
Roosevelt High School 14
School Without Walls @ Francis-Stevens 15
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54
Wilson High School 33


https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

This only includes schools at 10+. There are definitely L-T IB kids who are currently 6th graders at BASIS (so were 5th graders last year).

You misunderstand the data. Kids who are IB for LT would only be on the list for LT for 5th grade. Once in 6th they'd show up in SH's numbers.

I understand that. Please read my comment again and then look at what year's data this is.