Taylor Swift and Joe Alwyn have broken up

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Anonymous wrote:There's a song on Swift's new album Midnights about having a miscarriage, "Bigger than the Whole Sky."

You don't know what she has or hasn't been through.

No, that's not what the song is about. People who have had miscarriages related to the song and started trending on TikTok/Instagram posting about it. They talk about how they relate to the song and its helping them heal. TS has NEVER come out and said this is what the song is about. People who have lost other family members also relate to the song. It's song about loss, the true meaning is up for interpretation.

[Anonymous]

This is what insiders are saying- there was a commitment ceremony in the UK during COVID, but not legally binding so there's no divorce/legal implications. They broke up several weeks before the tour began but were keeping it quiet. Taylor's team was VERY surprised that this info leaked. Many think it was from Joe's "camp"... not his manager/agent/etc but likely a hair/makeup or stylist.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a song on Swift's new album Midnights about having a miscarriage, "Bigger than the Whole Sky."

You don't know what she has or hasn't been through.

No, that's not what the song is about. People who have had miscarriages related to the song and started trending on TikTok/Instagram posting about it. They talk about how they relate to the song and its helping them heal. TS has NEVER come out and said this is what the song is about. People who have lost other family members also relate to the song. It's song about loss, the true meaning is up for interpretation.

Until she states the meaning, which is not necessarily the whole truth (which she does not owe anyone), it sure sounds like it's about miscarriage. I can totally see how it relates to death or loss in general, but "you were more than just a short time" is pretty specific. Anyway, she writes in the voice of her friends a lot right? So even if it's about miscarriage it may not be about something she herself experienced.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I think it’s natural to wonder if an unmarried, childless couple breaking up after six years in their mid thirties (she’s turning 34) wants to have kids. Sadly this is NBD for a guy like Joe Alwyn, but more complicated for any mid-thirties woman, regardless of whether she’s Taylor swift or not.

We know nothing about why she doesn’t have children- does she not want them, does he not want them, does one not want them yet, was one unable to commit to their relationship, or did they struggle to conceive? What I’m more certain about is that Taylor is very much aware that there is a “typical” window for a woman to have kids, and for whatever reason (by choice or not) she is living her life fully without kids.

And I think the narrative you’re pushing that the most successful woman in show business can’t figure out how to have a child is sexist, deluded and gross. What people want is for Taylor to WANT to have a baby, and they are very disturbed that she does not conform to “all that 1950s shit.” It’s right there in her songs! She has no interest!

Would it be better if she had multiple kids with a gross cheater like Beyonce? Or with multiple baby daddies at 21 like the Kardashians?

Calm down, lady. All I’m saying is that it’s natural to wonder about it because women have more of a biological clock than men do, and she’s not 20. Certainly not judging her one way or the other nor do I care if she gets married or has kids. Simply observing a very public persons life choices. You can stop foaming at the mouth now.

yeah but what are you “wondering” about? how can you not get that she would have a baby if she wanted one? are you confused about how birth control works?

Why do you assume she could have had a baby if she wanted one? Isn’t that equally presumptuous? Maybe she loved her partner and he wasn’t ready. Maybe they had trouble conceiving. Maybe she has issues she’s working through that give her a complex about becoming a mother. There are all sort of reasons women don’t have babies at 33-34. Some of them are by choice (good for them if that makes them happy) and some aren’t (that is a situation that stinks, but they still have time and need to start thinking about it.) It’s not weird to wonder what camp Taylor falls into, and you don’t know any better than anyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a song on Swift's new album Midnights about having a miscarriage, "Bigger than the Whole Sky."

You don't know what she has or hasn't been through.

No, that's not what the song is about. People who have had miscarriages related to the song and started trending on TikTok/Instagram posting about it. They talk about how they relate to the song and its helping them heal. TS has NEVER come out and said this is what the song is about. People who have lost other family members also relate to the song. It's song about loss, the true meaning is up for interpretation.

Until she states the meaning, which is not necessarily the whole truth (which she does not owe anyone), it sure sounds like it's about miscarriage. I can totally see how it relates to death or loss in general, but "you were more than just a short time" is pretty specific. Anyway, she writes in the voice of her friends a lot right? So even if it's about miscarriage it may not be about something she herself experienced.

If you've been through one of course it seems like that to you. Anyone who dies before like 60 is considered dying young... here for just a short time. My cousin died at 30. I would say that about him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-11957647/amp/Taylor-Swift-Joe-Alwyn-began-struggle-career-differences.html

It’s sad that she was punished for her career success.

She’ll have plenty of time to count all of her money and stare at Grammies when she’s all alone with no kids. Or maybe she’ll create babies in a lab like that weirdo 50 year old actress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think it's fair of you to blame Alwyn for their lack of communication about the details of their personal lives. I thought it was healthy for Swift to be more private about her relationship. I thought that showed growth. And she certainly talked about their decision for privacy (and wrote about being private in her songs ha) as though it was a good thing, and made their relationship more special and just for them instead of for consumption by the public.

I'm sad for her that they broke up. She writes and talks about wanting children and grandchildren as though it's definitely something that she does want to have in her life. I hope that this relationship gave her some freedom and happiness and experience with a "good" relationship so that she can build on that for her next one.

It's HARD to be a successful woman entertainer, especially when your fan base is so interested in and demanding of details of your life. I hope she can have privacy and the ability to live her life the way she wants, and I hope she finds lasting love, since it's been something she's wanted for so long. Her music has made me really happy over the years and I want her to be happy, too!

In which songs does she write about having kids? There’s a reference in anti-hero to a DIL, which feels more like a joke, and lyrics in peace about giving her partner a child. I didn’t really listen to albums before 1989 but can’t think of another song where she dreams of being a mother or grandmother.

[Anonymous]

On kids and marriage she is basically Jennifer Aniston.

[Anonymous]

She's too immature to have a baby.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a song on Swift's new album Midnights about having a miscarriage, "Bigger than the Whole Sky."

You don't know what she has or hasn't been through.

No, that's not what the song is about. People who have had miscarriages related to the song and started trending on TikTok/Instagram posting about it. They talk about how they relate to the song and its helping them heal. TS has NEVER come out and said this is what the song is about. People who have lost other family members also relate to the song. It's song about loss, the true meaning is up for interpretation.

Until she states the meaning, which is not necessarily the whole truth (which she does not owe anyone), it sure sounds like it's about miscarriage. I can totally see how it relates to death or loss in general, but "you were more than just a short time" is pretty specific. Anyway, she writes in the voice of her friends a lot right? So even if it's about miscarriage it may not be about something she herself experienced.

If you've been through one of course it seems like that to you. Anyone who dies before like 60 is considered dying young... here for just a short time. My cousin died at 30. I would say that about him.

Are you serious? The chorus of the song is "I'm never gonna meet What could've been, would've been What should've been you."

The song doesn't make any sense unless it's about a miscarriage. We've otherwise met people that we care about who have died. The grief of a miscarriage is that you never got to meet your child alive. All that possibility is gone. It's just not the same for a death of a person who was alive. You met your cousin. Respectfully, the song isn't about your cousin.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a song on Swift's new album Midnights about having a miscarriage, "Bigger than the Whole Sky."

You don't know what she has or hasn't been through.

No, that's not what the song is about. People who have had miscarriages related to the song and started trending on TikTok/Instagram posting about it. They talk about how they relate to the song and its helping them heal. TS has NEVER come out and said this is what the song is about. People who have lost other family members also relate to the song. It's song about loss, the true meaning is up for interpretation.

Until she states the meaning, which is not necessarily the whole truth (which she does not owe anyone), it sure sounds like it's about miscarriage. I can totally see how it relates to death or loss in general, but "you were more than just a short time" is pretty specific. Anyway, she writes in the voice of her friends a lot right? So even if it's about miscarriage it may not be about something she herself experienced.

If you've been through one of course it seems like that to you. Anyone who dies before like 60 is considered dying young... here for just a short time. My cousin died at 30. I would say that about him.

Are you serious? The chorus of the song is "I'm never gonna meet What could've been, would've been What should've been you."

The song doesn't make any sense unless it's about a miscarriage. We've otherwise met people that we care about who have died. The grief of a miscarriage is that you never got to meet your child alive. All that possibility is gone. It's just not the same for a death of a person who was alive. You met your cousin. Respectfully, the song isn't about your cousin.

Songs are artistic and symbolic. Yes she says "I'm never gonna meet / What could've been, would've been / What should've been you / What could've been, would've been you." That doesn't mean she didn't meet the person she is writing about, she didn't meet the future them, what they would have become.. .because they are dead!

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Anonymous wrote:There's a song on Swift's new album Midnights about having a miscarriage, "Bigger than the Whole Sky."

You don't know what she has or hasn't been through.

No, that's not what the song is about. People who have had miscarriages related to the song and started trending on TikTok/Instagram posting about it. They talk about how they relate to the song and its helping them heal. TS has NEVER come out and said this is what the song is about. People who have lost other family members also relate to the song. It's song about loss, the true meaning is up for interpretation.

Until she states the meaning, which is not necessarily the whole truth (which she does not owe anyone), it sure sounds like it's about miscarriage. I can totally see how it relates to death or loss in general, but "you were more than just a short time" is pretty specific. Anyway, she writes in the voice of her friends a lot right? So even if it's about miscarriage it may not be about something she herself experienced.

If you've been through one of course it seems like that to you. Anyone who dies before like 60 is considered dying young... here for just a short time. My cousin died at 30. I would say that about him.

Are you serious? The chorus of the song is "I'm never gonna meet What could've been, would've been What should've been you."

The song doesn't make any sense unless it's about a miscarriage. We've otherwise met people that we care about who have died. The grief of a miscarriage is that you never got to meet your child alive. All that possibility is gone. It's just not the same for a death of a person who was alive. You met your cousin. Respectfully, the song isn't about your cousin.

Songs are artistic and symbolic. Yes she says "I'm never gonna meet / What could've been, would've been / What should've been you / What could've been, would've been you." That doesn't mean she didn't meet the person she is writing about, she didn't meet the future them, what they would have become.. .because they are dead!

If she were writing about someone she had met who had died, she wouldn't write "I'm never gonna meet what could've been" etc -- she'd write "I'm never gonna know what could've been, should've been you." If she was writing about someone she knew who had died, she wouldn't mourn about not "meeting" that future person. She wouldn't ever "meet" someone she'd already known for many years. People don't talk like that. You can miss out on the person they would have been had they lived, but you don't talk about missing out on "meeting" that future version of them. Because you had already met them years ago. You don't "meet" them again after you've known them for years.

Sure, art and song lyrics are subjective, but you're really twisting these in circles to make them not be about a miscarriage. It doesn't necessarily have to be TS's miscarriage, but it seems willfully obtuse to insist that the lyrics are about some other person who lived a life and then died.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a song on Swift's new album Midnights about having a miscarriage, "Bigger than the Whole Sky."

You don't know what she has or hasn't been through.

No, that's not what the song is about. People who have had miscarriages related to the song and started trending on TikTok/Instagram posting about it. They talk about how they relate to the song and its helping them heal. TS has NEVER come out and said this is what the song is about. People who have lost other family members also relate to the song. It's song about loss, the true meaning is up for interpretation.

Until she states the meaning, which is not necessarily the whole truth (which she does not owe anyone), it sure sounds like it's about miscarriage. I can totally see how it relates to death or loss in general, but "you were more than just a short time" is pretty specific. Anyway, she writes in the voice of her friends a lot right? So even if it's about miscarriage it may not be about something she herself experienced.

If you've been through one of course it seems like that to you. Anyone who dies before like 60 is considered dying young... here for just a short time. My cousin died at 30. I would say that about him.

Are you serious? The chorus of the song is "I'm never gonna meet What could've been, would've been What should've been you."

The song doesn't make any sense unless it's about a miscarriage. We've otherwise met people that we care about who have died. The grief of a miscarriage is that you never got to meet your child alive. All that possibility is gone. It's just not the same for a death of a person who was alive. You met your cousin. Respectfully, the song isn't about your cousin.

Songs are artistic and symbolic. Yes she says "I'm never gonna meet / What could've been, would've been / What should've been you / What could've been, would've been you." That doesn't mean she didn't meet the person she is writing about, she didn't meet the future them, what they would have become.. .because they are dead!

If she were writing about someone she had met who had died, she wouldn't write "I'm never gonna meet what could've been" etc -- she'd write "I'm never gonna know what could've been, should've been you." If she was writing about someone she knew who had died, she wouldn't mourn about not "meeting" that future person. She wouldn't ever "meet" someone she'd already known for many years. People don't talk like that. You can miss out on the person they would have been had they lived, but you don't talk about missing out on "meeting" that future version of them. Because you had already met them years ago. You don't "meet" them again after you've known them for years.

Sure, art and song lyrics are subjective, but you're really twisting these in circles to make them not be about a miscarriage. It doesn't necessarily have to be TS's miscarriage, but it seems willfully obtuse to insist that the lyrics are about some other person who lived a life and then died.

You must not have ever lost a child. Yes you mourn who they would have been.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a song on Swift's new album Midnights about having a miscarriage, "Bigger than the Whole Sky."

You don't know what she has or hasn't been through.

No, that's not what the song is about. People who have had miscarriages related to the song and started trending on TikTok/Instagram posting about it. They talk about how they relate to the song and its helping them heal. TS has NEVER come out and said this is what the song is about. People who have lost other family members also relate to the song. It's song about loss, the true meaning is up for interpretation.

Until she states the meaning, which is not necessarily the whole truth (which she does not owe anyone), it sure sounds like it's about miscarriage. I can totally see how it relates to death or loss in general, but "you were more than just a short time" is pretty specific. Anyway, she writes in the voice of her friends a lot right? So even if it's about miscarriage it may not be about something she herself experienced.

If you've been through one of course it seems like that to you. Anyone who dies before like 60 is considered dying young... here for just a short time. My cousin died at 30. I would say that about him.

Are you serious? The chorus of the song is "I'm never gonna meet What could've been, would've been What should've been you."

The song doesn't make any sense unless it's about a miscarriage. We've otherwise met people that we care about who have died. The grief of a miscarriage is that you never got to meet your child alive. All that possibility is gone. It's just not the same for a death of a person who was alive. You met your cousin. Respectfully, the song isn't about your cousin.

Songs are artistic and symbolic. Yes she says "I'm never gonna meet / What could've been, would've been / What should've been you / What could've been, would've been you." That doesn't mean she didn't meet the person she is writing about, she didn't meet the future them, what they would have become.. .because they are dead!

If she were writing about someone she had met who had died, she wouldn't write "I'm never gonna meet what could've been" etc -- she'd write "I'm never gonna know what could've been, should've been you." If she was writing about someone she knew who had died, she wouldn't mourn about not "meeting" that future person. She wouldn't ever "meet" someone she'd already known for many years. People don't talk like that. You can miss out on the person they would have been had they lived, but you don't talk about missing out on "meeting" that future version of them. Because you had already met them years ago. You don't "meet" them again after you've known them for years.

Sure, art and song lyrics are subjective, but you're really twisting these in circles to make them not be about a miscarriage. It doesn't necessarily have to be TS's miscarriage, but it seems willfully obtuse to insist that the lyrics are about some other person who lived a life and then died.

You must not have ever lost a child. Yes you mourn who they would have been.

Ouch. Yes, of course you would. I'm very sorry for your loss.

[Anonymous]

Apparently a ton of Swifties have been congregating on Cornelia Street to “pay their respects.” They’re crying, singing, etc. That’s freaking wacko!!! What the HECK.

The strangest part of it is that Alwyn is basically a ghost - we never knew him. We knew nothing about their relationship. But I guess that Taylor sang about their love as if it were transformative and permanent. She called him “a magnetic force of a man” which just doesn’t jobs with the practically expressionless guy in their photos; we took her word for it in her lyrics. So her fans are in a state of shock, I guess but I don’t understand being so invested that they are “crying and puking” per an article I just read.

Her level of fame is like a tidal wave, it’s crazy.