Taylor Swift and Joe Alwyn have broken up

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Doesn’t *jibe* ^

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Anonymous wrote:There's a song on Swift's new album Midnights about having a miscarriage, "Bigger than the Whole Sky."

You don't know what she has or hasn't been through.

No, that's not what the song is about. People who have had miscarriages related to the song and started trending on TikTok/Instagram posting about it. They talk about how they relate to the song and its helping them heal. TS has NEVER come out and said this is what the song is about. People who have lost other family members also relate to the song. It's song about loss, the true meaning is up for interpretation.

Until she states the meaning, which is not necessarily the whole truth (which she does not owe anyone), it sure sounds like it's about miscarriage. I can totally see how it relates to death or loss in general, but "you were more than just a short time" is pretty specific. Anyway, she writes in the voice of her friends a lot right? So even if it's about miscarriage it may not be about something she herself experienced.

If you've been through one of course it seems like that to you. Anyone who dies before like 60 is considered dying young... here for just a short time. My cousin died at 30. I would say that about him.

Are you serious? The chorus of the song is "I'm never gonna meet What could've been, would've been What should've been you."

The song doesn't make any sense unless it's about a miscarriage. We've otherwise met people that we care about who have died. The grief of a miscarriage is that you never got to meet your child alive. All that possibility is gone. It's just not the same for a death of a person who was alive. You met your cousin. Respectfully, the song isn't about your cousin.

Songs are artistic and symbolic. Yes she says "I'm never gonna meet / What could've been, would've been / What should've been you / What could've been, would've been you." That doesn't mean she didn't meet the person she is writing about, she didn't meet the future them, what they would have become.. .because they are dead!

Not that I'm interested in debating lyrics but I read that and immediately think of my friend that died in a car wreck at 26. She's frozen in time, I'm never going to meet her as a wife, a Mom. Her future was robbed from her and everyone that loved her.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I think it’s natural to wonder if an unmarried, childless couple breaking up after six years in their mid thirties (she’s turning 34) wants to have kids. Sadly this is NBD for a guy like Joe Alwyn, but more complicated for any mid-thirties woman, regardless of whether she’s Taylor swift or not.

We know nothing about why she doesn’t have children- does she not want them, does he not want them, does one not want them yet, was one unable to commit to their relationship, or did they struggle to conceive? What I’m more certain about is that Taylor is very much aware that there is a “typical” window for a woman to have kids, and for whatever reason (by choice or not) she is living her life fully without kids.

And I think the narrative you’re pushing that the most successful woman in show business can’t figure out how to have a child is sexist, deluded and gross. What people want is for Taylor to WANT to have a baby, and they are very disturbed that she does not conform to “all that 1950s shit.” It’s right there in her songs! She has no interest!

Would it be better if she had multiple kids with a gross cheater like Beyonce? Or with multiple baby daddies at 21 like the Kardashians?

Calm down, lady. All I’m saying is that it’s natural to wonder about it because women have more of a biological clock than men do, and she’s not 20. Certainly not judging her one way or the other nor do I care if she gets married or has kids. Simply observing a very public persons life choices. You can stop foaming at the mouth now.

yeah but what are you “wondering” about? how can you not get that she would have a baby if she wanted one? are you confused about how birth control works?

Why do you assume she could have had a baby if she wanted one? Isn’t that equally presumptuous? Maybe she loved her partner and he wasn’t ready. Maybe they had trouble conceiving. Maybe she has issues she’s working through that give her a complex about becoming a mother. There are all sort of reasons women don’t have babies at 33-34. Some of them are by choice (good for them if that makes them happy) and some aren’t (that is a situation that stinks, but they still have time and need to start thinking about it.) It’s not weird to wonder what camp Taylor falls into, and you don’t know any better than anyone else.

I know this: nobody evey asks these sorts of questions about men, and she can have a baby whenever she wants. There’s no tragedy of the barren woman here.

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Anonymous wrote:Apparently a ton of Swifties have been congregating on Cornelia Street to “pay their respects.” They’re crying, singing, etc. That’s freaking wacko!!! What the HECK.

The strangest part of it is that Alwyn is basically a ghost - we never knew him. We knew nothing about their relationship. But I guess that Taylor sang about their love as if it were transformative and permanent. She called him “a magnetic force of a man” which just doesn’t jobs with the practically expressionless guy in their photos; we took her word for it in her lyrics. So her fans are in a state of shock, I guess but I don’t understand being so invested that they are “crying and puking” per an article I just read.

Her level of fame is like a tidal wave, it’s crazy.

They are nuts and insiders are saying she's casually seeing someone older now.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I think it’s natural to wonder if an unmarried, childless couple breaking up after six years in their mid thirties (she’s turning 34) wants to have kids. Sadly this is NBD for a guy like Joe Alwyn, but more complicated for any mid-thirties woman, regardless of whether she’s Taylor swift or not.

We know nothing about why she doesn’t have children- does she not want them, does he not want them, does one not want them yet, was one unable to commit to their relationship, or did they struggle to conceive? What I’m more certain about is that Taylor is very much aware that there is a “typical” window for a woman to have kids, and for whatever reason (by choice or not) she is living her life fully without kids.

And I think the narrative you’re pushing that the most successful woman in show business can’t figure out how to have a child is sexist, deluded and gross. What people want is for Taylor to WANT to have a baby, and they are very disturbed that she does not conform to “all that 1950s shit.” It’s right there in her songs! She has no interest!

Would it be better if she had multiple kids with a gross cheater like Beyonce? Or with multiple baby daddies at 21 like the Kardashians?

Calm down, lady. All I’m saying is that it’s natural to wonder about it because women have more of a biological clock than men do, and she’s not 20. Certainly not judging her one way or the other nor do I care if she gets married or has kids. Simply observing a very public persons life choices. You can stop foaming at the mouth now.

yeah but what are you “wondering” about? how can you not get that she would have a baby if she wanted one? are you confused about how birth control works?

Why do you assume she could have had a baby if she wanted one? Isn’t that equally presumptuous? Maybe she loved her partner and he wasn’t ready. Maybe they had trouble conceiving. Maybe she has issues she’s working through that give her a complex about becoming a mother. There are all sort of reasons women don’t have babies at 33-34. Some of them are by choice (good for them if that makes them happy) and some aren’t (that is a situation that stinks, but they still have time and need to start thinking about it.) It’s not weird to wonder what camp Taylor falls into, and you don’t know any better than anyone else.

I know this: nobody evey asks these sorts of questions about men, and she can have a baby whenever she wants. There’s no tragedy of the barren woman here.

Well, duh! Men can have a baby whenever they please. Alec Baldwin just turned 65 and had his eight child. That’s not sexism, that’s biology. Take it up with evolution, not rando’s on the entertainment forum.

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Ugh, we are STILL going on and on about her fertility?? This thread has become a complete bore.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, we are STILL going on and on about her fertility?? This thread has become a complete bore.

Seriously! I checked back in to see if there was any talk of how she’s been spotted out for the first time.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I think it’s natural to wonder if an unmarried, childless couple breaking up after six years in their mid thirties (she’s turning 34) wants to have kids. Sadly this is NBD for a guy like Joe Alwyn, but more complicated for any mid-thirties woman, regardless of whether she’s Taylor swift or not.

We know nothing about why she doesn’t have children- does she not want them, does he not want them, does one not want them yet, was one unable to commit to their relationship, or did they struggle to conceive? What I’m more certain about is that Taylor is very much aware that there is a “typical” window for a woman to have kids, and for whatever reason (by choice or not) she is living her life fully without kids.

And I think the narrative you’re pushing that the most successful woman in show business can’t figure out how to have a child is sexist, deluded and gross. What people want is for Taylor to WANT to have a baby, and they are very disturbed that she does not conform to “all that 1950s shit.” It’s right there in her songs! She has no interest!

Would it be better if she had multiple kids with a gross cheater like Beyonce? Or with multiple baby daddies at 21 like the Kardashians?

Calm down, lady. All I’m saying is that it’s natural to wonder about it because women have more of a biological clock than men do, and she’s not 20. Certainly not judging her one way or the other nor do I care if she gets married or has kids. Simply observing a very public persons life choices. You can stop foaming at the mouth now.

yeah but what are you “wondering” about? how can you not get that she would have a baby if she wanted one? are you confused about how birth control works?

Why do you assume she could have had a baby if she wanted one? Isn’t that equally presumptuous? Maybe she loved her partner and he wasn’t ready. Maybe they had trouble conceiving. Maybe she has issues she’s working through that give her a complex about becoming a mother. There are all sort of reasons women don’t have babies at 33-34. Some of them are by choice (good for them if that makes them happy) and some aren’t (that is a situation that stinks, but they still have time and need to start thinking about it.) It’s not weird to wonder what camp Taylor falls into, and you don’t know any better than anyone else.

I know this: nobody evey asks these sorts of questions about men, and she can have a baby whenever she wants. There’s no tragedy of the barren woman here.

Well, duh! Men can have a baby whenever they please. Alec Baldwin just turned 65 and had his eight child. That’s not sexism, that’s biology. Take it up with evolution, not rando’s on the entertainment forum.

Taylor can also have a baby whenever she wants.

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Who is Taylor Swift ?

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, we are STILL going on and on about her fertility?? This thread has become a complete bore.

Seriously! I checked back in to see if there was any talk of how she’s been spotted out for the first time.

Exactly! And just a four minute walk from Cornelia Street, which is where all of those Swifties are camped out, mourning her lost relationship (which she has to be aware of). She isn’t hiding. I love that she’s back out there again; it often felt like she was MIA when she was with Joe, because he so hated the spotlight.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I think it’s natural to wonder if an unmarried, childless couple breaking up after six years in their mid thirties (she’s turning 34) wants to have kids. Sadly this is NBD for a guy like Joe Alwyn, but more complicated for any mid-thirties woman, regardless of whether she’s Taylor swift or not.

We know nothing about why she doesn’t have children- does she not want them, does he not want them, does one not want them yet, was one unable to commit to their relationship, or did they struggle to conceive? What I’m more certain about is that Taylor is very much aware that there is a “typical” window for a woman to have kids, and for whatever reason (by choice or not) she is living her life fully without kids.

And I think the narrative you’re pushing that the most successful woman in show business can’t figure out how to have a child is sexist, deluded and gross. What people want is for Taylor to WANT to have a baby, and they are very disturbed that she does not conform to “all that 1950s shit.” It’s right there in her songs! She has no interest!

Would it be better if she had multiple kids with a gross cheater like Beyonce? Or with multiple baby daddies at 21 like the Kardashians?

Calm down, lady. All I’m saying is that it’s natural to wonder about it because women have more of a biological clock than men do, and she’s not 20. Certainly not judging her one way or the other nor do I care if she gets married or has kids. Simply observing a very public persons life choices. You can stop foaming at the mouth now.

yeah but what are you “wondering” about? how can you not get that she would have a baby if she wanted one? are you confused about how birth control works?

Why do you assume she could have had a baby if she wanted one? Isn’t that equally presumptuous? Maybe she loved her partner and he wasn’t ready. Maybe they had trouble conceiving. Maybe she has issues she’s working through that give her a complex about becoming a mother. There are all sort of reasons women don’t have babies at 33-34. Some of them are by choice (good for them if that makes them happy) and some aren’t (that is a situation that stinks, but they still have time and need to start thinking about it.) It’s not weird to wonder what camp Taylor falls into, and you don’t know any better than anyone else.

I know this: nobody evey asks these sorts of questions about men, and she can have a baby whenever she wants. There’s no tragedy of the barren woman here.

Well, duh! Men can have a baby whenever they please. Alec Baldwin just turned 65 and had his eight child. That’s not sexism, that’s biology. Take it up with evolution, not rando’s on the entertainment forum.

Taylor can also have a baby whenever she wants.

Are you implying she has a Y chromosome?

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, we are STILL going on and on about her fertility?? This thread has become a complete bore.

Seriously! I checked back in to see if there was any talk of how she’s been spotted out for the first time.

Exactly! And just a four minute walk from Cornelia Street, which is where all of those Swifties are camped out, mourning her lost relationship (which she has to be aware of). She isn’t hiding. I love that she’s back out there again; it often felt like she was MIA when she was with Joe, because he so hated the spotlight.

I actually love the communication she has with her fans. She deliberately chose to show up in the vicinity of Cornelia Street in response to the fans showing up at her old house there. She is telling them thanks for your concern but she is ok and contrary to what she wrote in the song, here she is, walking Cornelia Street again.

Such a good PR pap walk.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I think it’s natural to wonder if an unmarried, childless couple breaking up after six years in their mid thirties (she’s turning 34) wants to have kids. Sadly this is NBD for a guy like Joe Alwyn, but more complicated for any mid-thirties woman, regardless of whether she’s Taylor swift or not.

We know nothing about why she doesn’t have children- does she not want them, does he not want them, does one not want them yet, was one unable to commit to their relationship, or did they struggle to conceive? What I’m more certain about is that Taylor is very much aware that there is a “typical” window for a woman to have kids, and for whatever reason (by choice or not) she is living her life fully without kids.

And I think the narrative you’re pushing that the most successful woman in show business can’t figure out how to have a child is sexist, deluded and gross. What people want is for Taylor to WANT to have a baby, and they are very disturbed that she does not conform to “all that 1950s shit.” It’s right there in her songs! She has no interest!

Would it be better if she had multiple kids with a gross cheater like Beyonce? Or with multiple baby daddies at 21 like the Kardashians?

Calm down, lady. All I’m saying is that it’s natural to wonder about it because women have more of a biological clock than men do, and she’s not 20. Certainly not judging her one way or the other nor do I care if she gets married or has kids. Simply observing a very public persons life choices. You can stop foaming at the mouth now.

yeah but what are you “wondering” about? how can you not get that she would have a baby if she wanted one? are you confused about how birth control works?

Why do you assume she could have had a baby if she wanted one? Isn’t that equally presumptuous? Maybe she loved her partner and he wasn’t ready. Maybe they had trouble conceiving. Maybe she has issues she’s working through that give her a complex about becoming a mother. There are all sort of reasons women don’t have babies at 33-34. Some of them are by choice (good for them if that makes them happy) and some aren’t (that is a situation that stinks, but they still have time and need to start thinking about it.) It’s not weird to wonder what camp Taylor falls into, and you don’t know any better than anyone else.

I know this: nobody evey asks these sorts of questions about men, and she can have a baby whenever she wants. There’s no tragedy of the barren woman here.

Well, duh! Men can have a baby whenever they please. Alec Baldwin just turned 65 and had his eight child. That’s not sexism, that’s biology. Take it up with evolution, not rando’s on the entertainment forum.

Taylor can also have a baby whenever she wants.

Are you implying she has a Y chromosome?

Yes. She has Y chromosomes readily available.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, we are STILL going on and on about her fertility?? This thread has become a complete bore.

Seriously! I checked back in to see if there was any talk of how she’s been spotted out for the first time.

Exactly! And just a four minute walk from Cornelia Street, which is where all of those Swifties are camped out, mourning her lost relationship (which she has to be aware of). She isn’t hiding. I love that she’s back out there again; it often felt like she was MIA when she was with Joe, because he so hated the spotlight.

I actually love the communication she has with her fans. She deliberately chose to show up in the vicinity of Cornelia Street in response to the fans showing up at her old house there. She is telling them thanks for your concern but she is ok and contrary to what she wrote in the song, here she is, walking Cornelia Street again.

Such a good PR pap walk.

This. And its widely known that Joe did NOT like the craziness of the swifties/paps so this was her "I'm back and I'm good" nod.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. I think it’s natural to wonder if an unmarried, childless couple breaking up after six years in their mid thirties (she’s turning 34) wants to have kids. Sadly this is NBD for a guy like Joe Alwyn, but more complicated for any mid-thirties woman, regardless of whether she’s Taylor swift or not.

We know nothing about why she doesn’t have children- does she not want them, does he not want them, does one not want them yet, was one unable to commit to their relationship, or did they struggle to conceive? What I’m more certain about is that Taylor is very much aware that there is a “typical” window for a woman to have kids, and for whatever reason (by choice or not) she is living her life fully without kids.

And I think the narrative you’re pushing that the most successful woman in show business can’t figure out how to have a child is sexist, deluded and gross. What people want is for Taylor to WANT to have a baby, and they are very disturbed that she does not conform to “all that 1950s shit.” It’s right there in her songs! She has no interest!

Would it be better if she had multiple kids with a gross cheater like Beyonce? Or with multiple baby daddies at 21 like the Kardashians?

Calm down, lady. All I’m saying is that it’s natural to wonder about it because women have more of a biological clock than men do, and she’s not 20. Certainly not judging her one way or the other nor do I care if she gets married or has kids. Simply observing a very public persons life choices. You can stop foaming at the mouth now.

yeah but what are you “wondering” about? how can you not get that she would have a baby if she wanted one? are you confused about how birth control works?

Why do you assume she could have had a baby if she wanted one? Isn’t that equally presumptuous? Maybe she loved her partner and he wasn’t ready. Maybe they had trouble conceiving. Maybe she has issues she’s working through that give her a complex about becoming a mother. There are all sort of reasons women don’t have babies at 33-34. Some of them are by choice (good for them if that makes them happy) and some aren’t (that is a situation that stinks, but they still have time and need to start thinking about it.) It’s not weird to wonder what camp Taylor falls into, and you don’t know any better than anyone else.

I know this: nobody evey asks these sorts of questions about men, and she can have a baby whenever she wants. There’s no tragedy of the barren woman here.

Well, duh! Men can have a baby whenever they please. Alec Baldwin just turned 65 and had his eight child. That’s not sexism, that’s biology. Take it up with evolution, not rando’s on the entertainment forum.

Taylor can also have a baby whenever she wants.

No, she can’t. She’s probably lost 80% of her viable eggs, if not more. Very tough once you hit mid 30s.