I want a candidate who is 100% pro-choice BUT pretty anti-immigration & socially conservative

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Republican and consider Bill Clinton nearly ideal as a political candidate. Super pro-America, pro-police, tough on crime, strong border control, cut the deficit, oversaw massive economic expansion-- I could go on. He would be republican by today's standards. Obama Term 1 was also a fantastic, modern-conservative president.

Agreed. I'm an Independent and in some ways, one would think I'm conservative because of all these things; pro-police, strong border control, thinks trans women have no place in women's sports.. However, I am pro-choice and very much pro-gun control. I feel like I don't have a home in either party.

I don’t think trans women belong in women’s sports either but I’m smart enough to notice that republicans don’t otherwise care about or support women’s athletics; they’re using it as a wedge issue to begin attacking trans rights altogether and then on to attacking gay rights. LGBTQIA+ deserve human rights. See the long game.

We need where to go that is not GOP, but also not the Democratic Party.

Keep looking for that unicorn which can’t exist in our current system. Or you can just get on the bus that’s going forward instead of the bus that’s going backward.

You lack imagination. And Dems don’t understand independents which means they will keep getting blindsided.

Who was it that was blindsided in the last three elections? Not the Democrats.

They were blindsided by Trump as the most obvious example. Abortion will likely hold them at the presidential level for 2024 unless the economy really tanks in away that everyday people define it for themselves.

There have been three national elections since Trump won, and the Republicans have underperformed in all of them and been surprised every time.

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What you want is a Reagan/Bush 1/Clinton/Bush 2/Obama 1st term. The republicans did not support abortion rights but they were not really hostile and told people what they wanted to hear without doing anything about it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Republican and consider Bill Clinton nearly ideal as a political candidate. Super pro-America, pro-police, tough on crime, strong border control, cut the deficit, oversaw massive economic expansion-- I could go on. He would be republican by today's standards. Obama Term 1 was also a fantastic, modern-conservative president.

Agreed. I'm an Independent and in some ways, one would think I'm conservative because of all these things; pro-police, strong border control, thinks trans women have no place in women's sports.. However, I am pro-choice and very much pro-gun control. I feel like I don't have a home in either party.

I don’t think trans women belong in women’s sports either but I’m smart enough to notice that republicans don’t otherwise care about or support women’s athletics; they’re using it as a wedge issue to begin attacking trans rights altogether and then on to attacking gay rights. LGBTQIA+ deserve human rights. See the long game.

We need where to go that is not GOP, but also not the Democratic Party.

Keep looking for that unicorn which can’t exist in our current system. Or you can just get on the bus that’s going forward instead of the bus that’s going backward.

You lack imagination. And Dems don’t understand independents which means they will keep getting blindsided.

Republicans don't seem to understand that 2024 will be about reproductive rights. They will continue to be blindsided until they accept this reality.

Yes and if they are they may wake up. I doubt it but they may. If they do wake up and have the Clinton abortion approach safe and rare then I think they win elections. But that Supreme Court case was a disaster on a scale that is unprecedented. It may be 2030 or 2040 before they can shake out of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Republican and consider Bill Clinton nearly ideal as a political candidate. Super pro-America, pro-police, tough on crime, strong border control, cut the deficit, oversaw massive economic expansion-- I could go on. He would be republican by today's standards. Obama Term 1 was also a fantastic, modern-conservative president.

If that's true why did conservatives hate him so much?

Because he was black. Period. But they won’t say it.

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Anonymous wrote:What you want is a Reagan/Bush 1/Clinton/Bush 2/Obama 1st term. The republicans did not support abortion rights but they were not really hostile and told people what they wanted to hear without doing anything about it.

Reagan and Bush judicial appointees got us into the hell we’re in now, with Heller, with Citizens United, and with Dobbs.

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Anonymous wrote:What you want is a Reagan/Bush 1/Clinton/Bush 2/Obama 1st term. The republicans did not support abortion rights but they were not really hostile and told people what they wanted to hear without doing anything about it.

Reagan and Bush judicial appointees got us into the hell we’re in now, with Heller, with Citizens United, and with Dobbs.

Well Dobbs will be the end of the GOP for a while. What a disastrous ruling.

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Just how pro-choice, OP? On demand up until birth? Euro-style cutoff of 12-14 weeks? @ 20 weeks?

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Anonymous wrote:Just how pro-choice, OP? On demand up until birth? Euro-style cutoff of 12-14 weeks? @ 20 weeks?

By “euro-style” do you mean wraparound social services, easy access to abortion clinics and exceptions to limits based on financial hardship of the expectant mother? I’m guessing you don’t.

You can’t compare limits between countries in isolation.

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Anonymous wrote:Just how pro-choice, OP? On demand up until birth? Euro-style cutoff of 12-14 weeks? @ 20 weeks?

OP here. On-demand up until birth, and not having to drive far away to get one or pay a ton to get one. Hardly anyone is seeking an abortion at 30 weeks anyway, but the option needs to be left open because medical complications arise.

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Anonymous wrote:Just how pro-choice, OP? On demand up until birth? Euro-style cutoff of 12-14 weeks? @ 20 weeks?

The GOP made their bed and now has to lie in it. They are desperately trying to hold on, but the writing is on the wall. The voters do not want the GOP is selling.

The voters ignored the anti abortion scolds because roe was in place. They never were going to tolerate the end of Roe.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Republican and consider Bill Clinton nearly ideal as a political candidate. Super pro-America, pro-police, tough on crime, strong border control, cut the deficit, oversaw massive economic expansion-- I could go on. He would be republican by today's standards. Obama Term 1 was also a fantastic, modern-conservative president.

Agreed. I'm an Independent and in some ways, one would think I'm conservative because of all these things; pro-police, strong border control, thinks trans women have no place in women's sports.. However, I am pro-choice and very much pro-gun control. I feel like I don't have a home in either party.

I don’t think trans women belong in women’s sports either but I’m smart enough to notice that republicans don’t otherwise care about or support women’s athletics; they’re using it as a wedge issue to begin attacking trans rights altogether and then on to attacking gay rights. LGBTQIA+ deserve human rights. See the long game.

We need where to go that is not GOP, but also not the Democratic Party.

Keep looking for that unicorn which can’t exist in our current system. Or you can just get on the bus that’s going forward instead of the bus that’s going backward.

You lack imagination. And Dems don’t understand independents which means they will keep getting blindsided.

Republicans don't seem to understand that 2024 will be about reproductive rights. They will continue to be blindsided until they accept this reality.

True, but it’s the Dems I’m more likely to support. I want to see them get back on track; but it’s highly unlikely.

In what way are actual Democratic policies - not whatever you saw on TikTok or what some non profit in California is doing, but actual Democratic policies - on the wrong track?

Immigration for one thing. Immigration is a good thing, the free-for-all we currently have is unsustainable. Neither party addresses this — Dems have given up despite reporting many. It will take take working more effectively with Mexico AND Canada, and possibly going to war against the cartels iand Central American gangs that exploit the people we supposedly care about.

War with cartels means war with Mexico's army.

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Anonymous wrote:Just how pro-choice, OP? On demand up until birth? Euro-style cutoff of 12-14 weeks? @ 20 weeks?

You guys are still rolling this one out and hoping anyone buys it? Civilized European countries don’t “cut off” abortion access at 12 weeks, they only start imposing limitations at 12 weeks. For all those things you republicans hobgoblins don’t believe matter like fetal abnormality, impacts on the mothers health, etc.

And don’t forget “euro-style” means publicly funded and freely available.

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Anonymous wrote:Just how pro-choice, OP? On demand up until birth? Euro-style cutoff of 12-14 weeks? @ 20 weeks?

You guys are still rolling this one out and hoping anyone buys it? Civilized European countries don’t “cut off” abortion access at 12 weeks, they only start imposing limitations at 12 weeks. For all those things you republicans hobgoblins don’t believe matter like fetal abnormality, impacts on the mothers health, etc.

And don’t forget “euro-style” means publicly funded and freely available.

+1

Also it's only some countries that start to impose limitations at that point. In the Netherlands, for example, abortion is allowed up to viability. In Sweden it's up to 18 weeks for any reason and then for specific reasons up until 22 weeks, more or less the point of viability.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Republican and consider Bill Clinton nearly ideal as a political candidate. Super pro-America, pro-police, tough on crime, strong border control, cut the deficit, oversaw massive economic expansion-- I could go on. He would be republican by today's standards. Obama Term 1 was also a fantastic, modern-conservative president.

Agreed. I'm an Independent and in some ways, one would think I'm conservative because of all these things; pro-police, strong border control, thinks trans women have no place in women's sports.. However, I am pro-choice and very much pro-gun control. I feel like I don't have a home in either party.

I don’t think trans women belong in women’s sports either but I’m smart enough to notice that republicans don’t otherwise care about or support women’s athletics; they’re using it as a wedge issue to begin attacking trans rights altogether and then on to attacking gay rights. LGBTQIA+ deserve human rights. See the long game.

DP. I find it utterly astounding that the issue of WOMEN'S rights seems to have utterly disappeared when discussing "trans rights." Why should biological men be able to compete against biological women? That's all it comes down to. Where are the women's rights in that scenario? Where is the equity in that scenario?

How f**king dare you elevate this issue to the level of whether or not we have democracy or whether or not the US economy gets destroyed (via the debt ceiling)??

You. are. Not. Serious. People.

WTAF. Get a grip and learn how to read.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Republican and consider Bill Clinton nearly ideal as a political candidate. Super pro-America, pro-police, tough on crime, strong border control, cut the deficit, oversaw massive economic expansion-- I could go on. He would be republican by today's standards. Obama Term 1 was also a fantastic, modern-conservative president.

Sorry but Clinton and Obama were pro choice.

Yes, I have no issue with that. I stand by it-- Bill Clinton is ideal.

Whatever you want to label yourself is fine. You vote for a democrat on election day so good. Call yourself a republican or whatever you want as long as you vote pro choice.

DP. Are you deliberately misunderstanding or are you simply obtuse? Just because we may be personally pQuro-choice doesn't mean we're one-issue voters. The PP is a Republican. Sadly, Bill Clinton probably doesn't even recognize today's Democratic party. I believe the PP is saying since there's no Bill Clinton to vote for, s/he votes Republican - for issues other than abortion. So do I.

Ok. Pro choice is not an important enough issue to drive your vote so you will vote for anti-abortion, anti-women's reproductive rights republicans. Republicans are losing elections over this issue but they simply refuse to nominate pro choice candidates. Oh well.

One-issue voter alert ^. Quit trying to mandate how others vote.