Why Does Johns Hopkins Get Destroyed in Cross-Admit Battles with Peer Schools?

[Anonymous]

Hopkins ranks last among its academic peers because it ranks last in lifestyle. This isn’t complicated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s rigorous and shrinking violets hate it. The number 1 research institution in the United States by far and they expect results.

One of the 8 most important higher ed institutions in the country .

Harvard
Yale
Princeton
MIT
Hopkins
Annapolis
West Point
Stanford

If the topic is the 8 most important institutions of higher education in the country, my list would be different. But, I think that it is ridiculous to try to limit such a list to just 8 schools.

My list would start with the 5 service academies (national security), Michigan, Johns Hopkins, and the University of Washington at Seattle. Then MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Wisconsin.

While great academic institutions, I do not see Princeton or Yale as being among the top 10 or top 20 most important institutions of higher ed in the country. UCal- Berkeley, UCLA, & UC-San Diego are far more important to the country than are Princeton & Yale.

If you asked high school seniors "would you rather go to Princeton or Yale, or to UCLA or UCSD?" then 95% of them are going to say Princeton or Yale.

A top 10 or 20 education list that does not have Princeton or Yale in it is a very stupid list.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At Johns Hopkins:

You will work harder than you have ever worked before in your young life -> for a B-
You will go to "parties" where several kids are huddled in a corner -> studying
You will find that several 6 foot 2 mouth breathing lacrosse players are -> much smarter than you
You will eventually be graded on a curve and discover that your 94% course average is -> a B-
You will find that several of the better students transfer out to less notable colleges because -> four years of this BS before grad school just isn't worth it
You will -> throat or be throated

You will graduate and discover that the general public doesn't actually know anything about what you survived -> but the ones that do give you RESPECT (and jobs)

My husband is a Hopkins alum and this is so true!

[Anonymous]

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Thank you !

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At Johns Hopkins:

You will work harder than you have ever worked before in your young life -> for a B-
You will go to "parties" where several kids are huddled in a corner -> studying
You will find that several 6 foot 2 mouth breathing lacrosse players are -> much smarter than you
You will eventually be graded on a curve and discover that your 94% course average is -> a B-
You will find that several of the better students transfer out to less notable colleges because -> four years of this BS before grad school just isn't worth it
You will -> throat or be throated

You will graduate and discover that the general public doesn't actually know anything about what you survived -> but the ones that do give you RESPECT (and jobs)

My husband is a Hopkins alum and this is so true!

You forgot
You will -> probably get killed in Baltimore by a drug addict.

[Anonymous]

Lack of school culture. Grad programs (SAIS, medicine school) overshadow the undergrad program. Baltimore not really a desirable place to live due to high crime and poverty, etc. Stress culture w/o the Ivy League+MIT+Stanford prestige. Little recognition beyond the field of medicine (and until recently, COVID-19). D-3 school for most sports except lacrosse. Lack of instantly memorable/notable alumni. I can go on and name you so many more reasons...

[Anonymous]

https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2017/10/our-student-body

See October 5, 2017 issue of the JHU Newspaper: "Our student body has an inferiority complex"

[Anonymous]

Idk. Cross admit data is old and has always been pretty flawed. Hard to measure. Yield rate is better if you take into account the fact that some schools only do REA and some do ED2. Among “top” schools it’s pretty much:

HYPSM
Gap
Rest of Ivies
Northwestern
Duke
Gap
Vanderbilt, JHU, etc

Uchicago is up there too but they ED2 and rig it a lot. No clue why JHU is much lower than Duke and NW, honestly surprised that NW is higher than Duke, and a little disappointed that the Ivy name still means so much.

Ignore cross admit stuff tho. Outdated and inaccurate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Idk. Cross admit data is old and has always been pretty flawed. Hard to measure. Yield rate is better if you take into account the fact that some schools only do REA and some do ED2. Among “top” schools it’s pretty much:

HYPSM
Gap
Rest of Ivies
Northwestern
Duke
Gap
Vanderbilt, JHU, etc

Uchicago is up there too but they ED2 and rig it a lot. No clue why JHU is much lower than Duke and NW, honestly surprised that NW is higher than Duke, and a little disappointed that the Ivy name still means so much.

Ignore cross admit stuff tho. Outdated and inaccurate

100% correct. Cross-admit data is outdated or incomplete for most schools; yield rate is a more convincing measure.

Do you have the actual yield rates for these schools ? If yes, then could you post them.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like a great pre-med school, but nothing much else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Idk. Cross admit data is old and has always been pretty flawed. Hard to measure. Yield rate is better if you take into account the fact that some schools only do REA and some do ED2. Among “top” schools it’s pretty much:

HYPSM
Gap
Rest of Ivies
Northwestern
Duke
Gap
Vanderbilt, JHU, etc

Uchicago is up there too but they ED2 and rig it a lot. No clue why JHU is much lower than Duke and NW, honestly surprised that NW is higher than Duke, and a little disappointed that the Ivy name still means so much.

Ignore cross admit stuff tho. Outdated and inaccurate

Ivies invented ED and all sorts of tactics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its ranking leads to many students who would prefer not to attend to still apply.

It being in a major American city would generally be a plus point, but Baltimore is so crime-ridden and run down that it scares parents and students away.

It's known as a pre-med gindfest. Unlike rigorous Chicago, there's no aspect of "love of learning". It's all about getting into med school.

It's less of a university with a medical school attached and more of a medical school with a university attached. As a result, the undergraduate school isn't particularly accommodative or attentive to undergrads to the extent that similar schools are (Brown, Dartmouth, Duke, etc.)

Med school isn’t attached — it’s located in another part of town. And faculty (most of whom have zero connection to the med school) are attentive to (interested) undergrads.

Hopkins is one of those schools where people who know nothing about it feel very comfortable posting totally inaccurate opinions.
Hopkins has a really pretty undergrad campus with active Greek life and strong division 1 and 3 sports. Lots of student athletes.

Many of the undergraduate programs are highly ranked independent of their graduate schools, including international studies and writing seminars, many engineering majors and of course, the natural sciences.

NP - I think that PP was accurately posting about people's perception of the school, not its physical location.

[Anonymous]

Someone who had actually attended Hopkins would never had posted this thread because of lack of data to support its thesis.

DCUM loves to trash Hopkins, yet it keep ticking away, offering great financial aid, an excellent education, ranked highly in domestic and global rankings. Even the lacrosse team is back inthe Top 10.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At Johns Hopkins:

You will work harder than you have ever worked before in your young life -> for a B-
You will go to "parties" where several kids are huddled in a corner -> studying
You will find that several 6 foot 2 mouth breathing lacrosse players are -> much smarter than you
You will eventually be graded on a curve and discover that your 94% course average is -> a B-
You will find that several of the better students transfer out to less notable colleges because -> four years of this BS before grad school just isn't worth it
You will -> throat or be throated

You will graduate and discover that the general public doesn't actually know anything about what you survived -> but the ones that do give you RESPECT (and jobs)

My husband is a Hopkins alum and this is so true!

I’m a Hopkins alum and disagree . I know no one who transferred out but plenty who transferred in.

[Anonymous]

Because it's not peers with those schools?

Hopkins is overranked because of federal funding for its medical research and Applied Physics Lab. While I'm sure the medical research has some carryover for undergrad students in biological sciences, it doesn't do much for anything outside of those subjects. The APL is based a 30 minutes drive off campus so it's not of much use to physics/engineering undergrad students.

The Ivies are Ivies, and therefore recognized globally. Duke is well-recognized nationally in every industry due to it's breadth of competencies and also basketball. Hopkins is well recognized nationally but primarily as a pre-med school.