The Queen Consort

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Anonymous wrote:Diana was immature but not naive. She knew what she was getting into. Meghan was older and mature but she underestimated Royal duties and overestimated easy access to wealth. My 2 cents from gossip tabloids, your mileage may vary.

She was both. She was 20. How can you not be naive at 20.

Interesting that you are speculating Diana. Charles definitely knew what she would get into. I would lay some of the blame on him

Diana grew up in a house on the Queen’s Sandringham estate before her father became Earl, and her grandmother was a Lady in Waiting to the Queen Mother. She had to understand what the life entailed. I do think she was very naive about her relationship with Charles.

So Charles should have known better
Charles was not naive and knew how her life would change
He should bear some of the blame

He was basically told by the Queen and Philip to marry someone “suitable” (not Camilla) and do it ASAP.

And as a grown man he could not use his own head?
And the Queen herself was ignorant and naive as to how Diana’s life would change?

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Anonymous wrote:Diana was immature but not naive. She knew what she was getting into. Meghan was older and mature but she underestimated Royal duties and overestimated easy access to wealth. My 2 cents from gossip tabloids, your mileage may vary.

She was both. She was 20. How can you not be naive at 20.

Interesting that you are speculating Diana. Charles definitely knew what she would get into. I would lay some of the blame on him

Diana grew up in a house on the Queen’s Sandringham estate before her father became Earl, and her grandmother was a Lady in Waiting to the Queen Mother. She had to understand what the life entailed. I do think she was very naive about her relationship with Charles.

So Charles should have known better
Charles was not naive and knew how her life would change
He should bear some of the blame

He was basically told by the Queen and Philip to marry someone “suitable” (not Camilla) and do it ASAP.

Also told him to him to stop seeing Camilla and make it work with Diana.

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Anonymous wrote:Diana was immature but not naive. She knew what she was getting into. Meghan was older and mature but she underestimated Royal duties and overestimated easy access to wealth. My 2 cents from gossip tabloids, your mileage may vary.

I dunno, I think she also underestimated the racism in the royal family and the British press, and just how cruel the press would be and how unwilling the RF would be to back her up. Even if you think she is a grifter or a fraudster the racism is still pretty appalling.

and I blame the Kate machine for muck of that bad press.

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Anonymous wrote:I was about five when Charles and Diana married and in college when she died. I was always confused by the love for her.
Obviously the Camilla stuff was humiliating because it was so public but faithful love marriages are exceptionally rare among royal couples.
Anyone who thinks that Diana would have “loved Charles forever” is an utter moron. She didn’t love him and wasn’t expected to.
Frankly, the royal family made a terrible choice with her. She was unfit for such a public role. Aside from being able to birth an heir, the most important thing should be thick skin. The woman couldn’t even hold her head up, for heavens sake. I don’t know what the royal family was thinking.

But that’s kind of what’s so detestable to me. If Charles wanted someone who would silently accept his affairs step one is don’t marry a 19 year old virgin. Like he really could’ve married someone that got to experience the world the way that he had or at least someone with a fully matured brain but just felt entitled to sow his wild oats into his thirties and then marry someone who is too young to have done the same.

Blame the queen for this, because she was the one who required that he marry a virgin.

The Queen was a bad queen and a bad mother. I never will understand why people admire this woman.

You’re applying modern standards and not considering the unique circumstances of her upbringing.

The unique circumstances of her upbringing, as has now been demonstrated many times over, were terrible for children.

She was a bad mother. She openly disliked Charles and doted on Andrew.

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Anonymous wrote:Diana was immature but not naive. She knew what she was getting into. Meghan was older and mature but she underestimated Royal duties and overestimated easy access to wealth. My 2 cents from gossip tabloids, your mileage may vary.

I dunno, I think she also underestimated the racism in the royal family and the British press, and just how cruel the press would be and how unwilling the RF would be to back her up. Even if you think she is a grifter or a fraudster the racism is still pretty appalling.

Nope, I think she was told exactly what to expect (many, many of her friends have stated this to the press, that they warned her over and over again) and she ignored them saying "oh that won't happen to ME!". She was in denial (as most of us probably would be if (a) we thought our prince would protect us and (b) we were pretty much white passing).

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Anonymous wrote:Diana was immature but not naive. She knew what she was getting into. Meghan was older and mature but she underestimated Royal duties and overestimated easy access to wealth. My 2 cents from gossip tabloids, your mileage may vary.

She was both. She was 20. How can you not be naive at 20.

Interesting that you are speculating Diana. Charles definitely knew what she would get into. I would lay some of the blame on him

Diana grew up in a house on the Queen’s Sandringham estate before her father became Earl, and her grandmother was a Lady in Waiting to the Queen Mother. She had to understand what the life entailed. I do think she was very naive about her relationship with Charles.

So Charles should have known better
Charles was not naive and knew how her life would change
He should bear some of the blame

He was basically told by the Queen and Philip to marry someone “suitable” (not Camilla) and do it ASAP.

And as a grown man he could not use his own head?
And the Queen herself was ignorant and naive as to how Diana’s life would change?

Oh, just stop pretending a grown man in any other family is the same as the grown son of the super traditional Queen of England.

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Anonymous wrote:I was about five when Charles and Diana married and in college when she died. I was always confused by the love for her.
Obviously the Camilla stuff was humiliating because it was so public but faithful love marriages are exceptionally rare among royal couples.
Anyone who thinks that Diana would have “loved Charles forever” is an utter moron. She didn’t love him and wasn’t expected to.
Frankly, the royal family made a terrible choice with her. She was unfit for such a public role. Aside from being able to birth an heir, the most important thing should be thick skin. The woman couldn’t even hold her head up, for heavens sake. I don’t know what the royal family was thinking.

But that’s kind of what’s so detestable to me. If Charles wanted someone who would silently accept his affairs step one is don’t marry a 19 year old virgin. Like he really could’ve married someone that got to experience the world the way that he had or at least someone with a fully matured brain but just felt entitled to sow his wild oats into his thirties and then marry someone who is too young to have done the same.

Blame the queen for this, because she was the one who required that he marry a virgin.

The Queen was a bad queen and a bad mother. I never will understand why people admire this woman.

You’re applying modern standards and not considering the unique circumstances of her upbringing.

The unique circumstances of her upbringing, as has now been demonstrated many times over, were terrible for children.

She was a bad mother. She openly disliked Charles and doted on Andrew.

This is so false. Why do spout off lies as if they were fact? Get your head out of the tabloids . I doubt Charles would agree with you.

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The Queen was not a “bad mother” by the standards of aristocratic England in the 1950’s. Stop comparing her to 2022 gentle attachment parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:Diana was immature but not naive. She knew what she was getting into. Meghan was older and mature but she underestimated Royal duties and overestimated easy access to wealth. My 2 cents from gossip tabloids, your mileage may vary.

She was both. She was 20. How can you not be naive at 20.

Interesting that you are speculating Diana. Charles definitely knew what she would get into. I would lay some of the blame on him

Diana grew up in a house on the Queen’s Sandringham estate before her father became Earl, and her grandmother was a Lady in Waiting to the Queen Mother. She had to understand what the life entailed. I do think she was very naive about her relationship with Charles.

So Charles should have known better
Charles was not naive and knew how her life would change
He should bear some of the blame

He was basically told by the Queen and Philip to marry someone “suitable” (not Camilla) and do it ASAP.

And as a grown man he could not use his own head?
And the Queen herself was ignorant and naive as to how Diana’s life would change?

Those close in the line of succession needed the Queen's permission to marry. Margaret was not allowed to marry a divorced man. Things have relaxed, but it's not like these royals are going to make a surprise engagement announcement on the family. Before mass media, those marrying into the royal family wouldn't have faced the same media scrutiny that seems to cause so many problems.

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Anonymous wrote:The Queen was not a “bad mother” by the standards of aristocratic England in the 1950’s. Stop comparing her to 2022 gentle attachment parenting.

She had no to little interaction with her children. Same with the grandkid and great grandkids. Let’s stop acting like she was this great mother, grandmother and great-grandmother. This is all spin for littles.

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Anonymous wrote:The Queen was not a “bad mother” by the standards of aristocratic England in the 1950’s. Stop comparing her to 2022 gentle attachment parenting.

She had no to little interaction with her children. Same with the grandkid and great grandkids. Let’s stop acting like she was this great mother, grandmother and great-grandmother. This is all spin for littles.

I never said she was a “great mother.” I’m saying she was a typical mother for her generation of wealthy British.

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Anonymous wrote:The Queen was not a “bad mother” by the standards of aristocratic England in the 1950’s. Stop comparing her to 2022 gentle attachment parenting.

Yes, please!

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The Queen was the mother she was expected to be.

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Anonymous wrote:Diana was immature but not naive. She knew what she was getting into. Meghan was older and mature but she underestimated Royal duties and overestimated easy access to wealth. My 2 cents from gossip tabloids, your mileage may vary.

I dunno, I think she also underestimated the racism in the royal family and the British press, and just how cruel the press would be and how unwilling the RF would be to back her up. Even if you think she is a grifter or a fraudster the racism is still pretty appalling.

I think Meghan also overestimated the amount of influence she would be able to exert. She reminds me of a colleague who joined my very large government agency and for some reason thought that she could come in and immediately start changing the way things were done. Not surprisingly, it rubbed people the wrong way, and she was gone in less than a year. I think Meghan came in wanting to do various things and had visions of changes she wanted to make, it rubbed people the wrong way (especially coming from a person with absolutely no familiarity or knowledge of the Firm), and things snowballed from there.

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Anonymous wrote:Diana was immature but not naive. She knew what she was getting into. Meghan was older and mature but she underestimated Royal duties and overestimated easy access to wealth. My 2 cents from gossip tabloids, your mileage may vary.

I dunno, I think she also underestimated the racism in the royal family and the British press, and just how cruel the press would be and how unwilling the RF would be to back her up. Even if you think she is a grifter or a fraudster the racism is still pretty appalling.

I think Meghan also overestimated the amount of influence she would be able to exert. She reminds me of a colleague who joined my very large government agency and for some reason thought that she could come in and immediately start changing the way things were done. Not surprisingly, it rubbed people the wrong way, and she was gone in less than a year. I think Meghan came in wanting to do various things and had visions of changes she wanted to make, it rubbed people the wrong way (especially coming from a person with absolutely no familiarity or knowledge of the Firm), and things snowballed from there.

Not to disagree, but there is also a culture shock
RF is incredibly stiff and boring and stuck in their ways. British only like people who are like them. A person who comes from another country speaks the wrong accent, has incorrect body language and people easily misunderstand