Some U.S. students re-think college plans in states with abortion bans

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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?


+1000

If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.


My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.


What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.


You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.


Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.


Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.


This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.


Could not agree with you more. PP's comments are beyond offensive.


It’s the reality of forced births and adoptions.
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Anonymous wrote:we're currently down to schools in VA, NC and PA (3 states where these rights are teetering) and then NJ, RI, MA and IL

I have a couple schools on the west coast+NV and then a couple in Canada on the list for my daughter as wild cards, but they are mostly out of our realistic price range


My daughter will be going to school in VA and registering to vote! And she will have the depo shot before going.

Another option is the implant in the arm which may be better tolerated than the IUD.
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I will not let my children choose a school where abortion would not be available. I'm already planning possible ways to emigrate should there be a strict nationwide ban. I can't raise my kids in a country with so little freedom or common sense.
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It depends on the state really. Georgia for instance is very purple and could very likely go blue this year, Emory and Georgia Tech are somewhat safe from any blowback from this.
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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?


+1000

If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.


My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.


What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.


You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.


Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.


Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.


This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.


Could not agree with you more. PP's comments are beyond offensive.


It’s the reality of forced births and adoptions.


I wonder, if college girls are forced to give birth and will be giving the kid up, is there any reason to expect them to stop drinking and enjoying college?
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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?


+1000

If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.


My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.


What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.


You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.


Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.


Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.


This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.


I am adopted. It has been a life of shame and fear. I was considered a sin. I have never gotten over that.


I am sorry if you have suffered. I was also adopted, as are many others. I don't feel any shame. I have loving parents and have never been in contact with my birth mother, nor do I feel a need to find her. I am also strongly pro-choice. I think both of our experiences are anecdotal.
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Why do privileged people LOVE to center themselves. Legit you would not use your substantial resources to fly your Rice kid to Maryland, or even Canada if necessary? Stop it. Focus on the actual at-risk people. SMH
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?


+1000

If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.


My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.


What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.


You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.


Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.


Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.


This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.


Could not agree with you more. PP's comments are beyond offensive.


It’s the reality of forced births and adoptions.


I wonder, if college girls are forced to give birth and will be giving the kid up, is there any reason to expect them to stop drinking and enjoying college?


What planet are you on? Unwanted pregnancies will be terminated for the most part as they always were. Dangerous or illegal or far away, but terminated all the same
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Anonymous wrote:Why do privileged people LOVE to center themselves. Legit you would not use your substantial resources to fly your Rice kid to Maryland, or even Canada if necessary? Stop it. Focus on the actual at-risk people. SMH


+ 1

Like my daughter is smart enough to get into Kenyon, but not smart enough to call me and say “Hey Mom, can you fly me home for the weekend? I miss the dog.” … We don’t have a dog.

Lots of hysterical panicking on this thread. If your DD is at college out of state, you can bring them home for a visit anytime.
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Anonymous wrote:Who cares if they decide not to go to College X, Y, Z. They probably don’t need another liberal brainwashed anyways.


If it was only liberals who obtained abortions, you might have a point.
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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html


What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.


+1000. Translation: I don't want to move somewhere that I have to act responsibly and put a lid on my wild sex life.


You want to force all college kids to abstain from sex?

You can’t force your religious views on others.


Why is this necessarily a religious view?


+1. I find it hilarious and telling that one of the first default arguments of the pro-aborts is contesting other people's religious views -- especially when they have no idea to whom they are talking, and whether or not those people are even "religious" in the first place.

Hey Einstein - people can be "moral" and believe that abortion is murder, without having a shred of religious intent.


The vast majority of anti-choice people are religious. In fact, according to Pew only 3 religions have a majority of adherents who oppose abortion: Evangelical protestants, Jehovah's Witness, and Mormons. Catholics are basically evenly split. So, many religious do not support outright bans, which makes sense since a vast majority of Americans support abortion rights (And, are not anything close to being your telling "pro-aborts" -- many are pro-life and pro-choice.) https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/views-about-abortion/

Only 11% of atheists want to deny women healthcare. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/religious-family/atheist/views-about-abortion/

Sure, you can make a flimsy argument on a tiny, tiny minority of people, but then you'd be grasping at straws.
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I don't care how liberal use protection and birth control that would cut out most of the abortion issue by itself.
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Anonymous wrote:Why do privileged people LOVE to center themselves. Legit you would not use your substantial resources to fly your Rice kid to Maryland, or even Canada if necessary? Stop it. Focus on the actual at-risk people. SMH


+ 1

Like my daughter is smart enough to get into Kenyon, but not smart enough to call me and say “Hey Mom, can you fly me home for the weekend? I miss the dog.” … We don’t have a dog.

Lots of hysterical panicking on this thread. If your DD is at college out of state, you can bring them home for a visit anytime.


Is your daughter so smart that she will somehow sense whether she has an ectopic pregnancy that can't wait for a visit home?

My extremely liberal kid when to college in a red state, and I was all for (a) spending time somewhere where your beliefs are in the minority and (b) you can vote and act to change things. But when a state passes laws to endanger my kid's health and safety, there's no shame in starting a career elsewhere.
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Anonymous wrote:Also, pro adoption mom, you should open your eyes and ears. Lots of adoptees feel like me.


So you'd rather be dead?


I'm someone who aged out of the system and yes, there are many times when I believed it would have been better for my birth mother to have aborted me rather than go through with the pregnancy. But that's what happens when a crack addict who is not all there in the head has a kid. It took a lot of therapy to understand those feelings and deal with them. I still believe that. I'd never wish my childhood life of ANY person.

I went into the system fulltime at age 6. Even though I was white with blonde hair & blue eyes, the most desired of all adoptable kids, I was way too damaged to ever be seriously considered adoptable. First of all, I was ancient at 6 years old. Second of all, I had been born addicted to drugs. Thirdly, I had gone into the system once previously due to severe neglect and had been labeled a failure to thrive.

My life was bouncing between foster homes and building up so much internal hatred for everyone and everything around me. I was a big ball of hate and rage until age 13 when my new case worker told me that if I kept it up, I'd be dead by 18 and prove everyone who'd said something negative about me right. There was something about her that resonated with me when others had not. She saved me. I got my shit together in school and took the anger management courses I had been assigned seriously (after not taking them seriously the first time). I got some therapy, too, which helped, but definitely not as much as I needed back then.

Every damn day of my life from age birth to 20 was a struggle just to survive. It wasn't until age 20 that things started to really turn around for me... I had made my own family through friends, I had places to go to during school breaks, I landed a great job that paid well and allowed me to do my schoolwork during the downtime so I was able to start really saving some money, etc. I mean, my life wasn't great like it is now and I did still struggle, but instead of feeling like I was treading water and the bottom of my lip was halfway underwater, it felt like my whole neck was out of the water and that was the first time I'd ever felt that way.

I get so angry when I hear people say "there's always adoption!" because that's a big f#cking lie. If you're not white, perfectly healthy, and under age 1, your chances of getting adopted dwindle each year.

I'm here to tell you that what comes after a forced pregnancy is NOT adoption. It's a big ass nightmarish struggle that will break almost all people.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html


What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.


+1000. Translation: I don't want to move somewhere that I have to act responsibly and put a lid on my wild sex life.


I think you and others are intentionally being obtuse. It is not about abortion singularly, but about the slippery slope of dismantling a 50 year precedent so easily. The senator from Texas has already said that he wants Brown v Board of Education reversed because it too was based on the same reasoning as Roe. A member of the SCOTUS majority wrote in his opinion that he invites a case regarding the right to contraceptives; gay marriage ; and cunnilingus/felatio to be revisited by the courts. Those were privacy issues decisions as well. Maybe none of those issues are concerning to you because perchance you are white and heterosexual and don’t enjoy oral sex, but they concern and impact a lot of other people in this country. If they succeed down this road, eventually they will get to something that impacts you, but then it will be too late and nobody left willing or able to fight or care about you.
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