Some U.S. students re-think college plans in states with abortion bans

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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?

+1000

If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.

My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.

What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.

You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.

Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.

This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.

There are always exceptions. Sounds like that teen mom didn’t choose abortion. Unless she was forced into adoption by her parents?

Many women choose abortion because they don’t want the fetus. Even if these unwanted fetuses are eventually adopted they are still unwanted by their mothers.

Your adopted kid’s parents literally gave their baby away to a stranger and you say the kid was not unwanted? Your perspective is warped.

NP but you're really showing your a$$ here. My brother is adopted. The situation was complicated. His bio mom did want him, but he was also the product of rape. His grandmother wanted him too, but she recognized how complicated things were. He has since met his birth mother and they have a complicated relationship now, too.

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Anonymous wrote:I as pro-choice as anyone, but it just seems dumb and showy to make a major decision such as a college choice on state abortion laws.

And if your daughter gets pregnant in a red state? Even discussing options over the phone with her could put you in jail for life, or bounty hunters could sue you into oblivion.

Still no big deal to tou?

You speak as those these girls may just catch a cold. My DD has a set of values and morals that make "getting pregnant" while she is in college extremely, extremely unlikely. Women don't just "become pregnant," you know. I feel really sorry for you parents for whom this is a major worry. Perhaps you should have started thinking about that when she was about 6.

-30% of undergrads have unwanted pregnancies

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Anonymous wrote:I as pro-choice as anyone, but it just seems dumb and showy to make a major decision such as a college choice on state abortion laws.

And if your daughter gets pregnant in a red state? Even discussing options over the phone with her could put you in jail for life, or bounty hunters could sue you into oblivion.

Still no big deal to tou?

You speak as those these girls may just catch a cold. My DD has a set of values and morals that make "getting pregnant" while she is in college extremely, extremely unlikely. Women don't just "become pregnant," you know. I feel really sorry for you parents for whom this is a major worry. Perhaps you should have started thinking about that when she was about 6.

+1. It shocks and saddens me what shallow, meaningless relationships so many of these posters seem to have with their daughters. Do you not know your girls at all?

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Anonymous wrote:I as pro-choice as anyone, but it just seems dumb and showy to make a major decision such as a college choice on state abortion laws.

And if your daughter gets pregnant in a red state? Even discussing options over the phone with her could put you in jail for life, or bounty hunters could sue you into oblivion.

Still no big deal to tou?

You speak as those these girls may just catch a cold. My DD has a set of values and morals that make "getting pregnant" while she is in college extremely, extremely unlikely. Women don't just "become pregnant," you know. I feel really sorry for you parents for whom this is a major worry. Perhaps you should have started thinking about that when she was about 6.

+1. It shocks and saddens me what shallow, meaningless relationships so many of these posters seem to have with their daughters. Do you not know your girls at all?

Let me tell you a harsh truth: moralizing and self-righteous parents like you regularly CAUSE abortion. My parents were like you - and when I got pregnant I didn’t dare tell them. (I even worried they might try to take custody of any baby I had by claiming I was inmoral/unfit.) So, I had an abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:I as pro-choice as anyone, but it just seems dumb and showy to make a major decision such as a college choice on state abortion laws.

And if your daughter gets pregnant in a red state? Even discussing options over the phone with her could put you in jail for life, or bounty hunters could sue you into oblivion.

Still no big deal to tou?

You speak as those these girls may just catch a cold. My DD has a set of values and morals that make "getting pregnant" while she is in college extremely, extremely unlikely. Women don't just "become pregnant," you know. I feel really sorry for you parents for whom this is a major worry. Perhaps you should have started thinking about that when she was about 6.

+1. It shocks and saddens me what shallow, meaningless relationships so many of these posters seem to have with their daughters. Do you not know your girls at all?

Let me tell you a harsh truth: moralizing and self-righteous parents like you regularly CAUSE abortion. My parents were like you - and when I got pregnant I didn’t dare tell them. (I even worried they might try to take custody of any baby I had by claiming I was inmoral/unfit.) So, I had an abortion.

You missed the part about not getting pregnant in the first place? Do you think that is some ritual/ rite of passage that every college girl takes up?

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Anonymous wrote:Seems silly to blame colleges (and not apply to them) for government decision. Most of these colleges established over a century ago.

miss the point much? no one is blaming the colleges, they are simply not willing to subject themselves or their daughters to backwards, anti-women environments. Just so happens those colleges reside in backwards states. I assume that you yourself wouldn't want to a state with politics you vehemently disagree with, so these students are making the same decision. Tons of great colleges for all beliefs. No need to live in an environment that doesn't respect your rights.

Many people live in states where they don't agree with their politics (e.g. Florida). Part of the reason America is so divisive is because of people like you who seem to advocate for a divided country

Spoken like one who has never birthed a child. You do have any concept of the life altering nature of that? Permanent and significant...physically, mentally, emotionally, financially.....for ever and ever.

Overturning Roe is not disagreeable "politics". It is an assualt on fundamental rights.

Not sure what birthing a child has anything to do with this when we're talking about aborting a child. Instead of having a polite discussion, you seem to like to hurl insults. Some would argue that the unborn child also has rights too. You may not agree with that position and that's okay. Just try to sound like a rational human being. It's easy to be a jerk when you hide behind anonymity.

But are those rights greater than the woman who is carrying the fetus? What if the mother has several children and would die if she had the baby. Is it better for those alive children to not have their mother because of the life of the fetus "trumps" the mom?

I don't believe that anyone is arguing about who's rights are greater, simply that some would argue that the unborn child also has rights.

Yes but you are telling a women who is already born that her rights are less than a fetus. 'what don't you get about that?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do privileged people LOVE to center themselves. Legit you would not use your substantial resources to fly your Rice kid to Maryland, or even Canada if necessary? Stop it. Focus on the actual at-risk people. SMH

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Like my daughter is smart enough to get into Kenyon, but not smart enough to call me and say “Hey Mom, can you fly me home for the weekend? I miss the dog.” … We don’t have a dog.

Lots of hysterical panicking on this thread. If your DD is at college out of state, you can bring them home for a visit anytime.

To me it’s not about the actual scenario of needing an abortion. I just wouldn’t want my kid in a state that doesn’t value women as independent citizens.

I feel the same way and I have a son. He also feels the same way, FWIW. He took red state colleges off his list (I didn’t say anything).

thank you pp for raising a good son!

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Don’t be obtuse. Young people make mistakes. Plenty of people have failed birth control. There are hundreds of rapes on college campuses every year. It’s not a moral failing to have an unwanted pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:I as pro-choice as anyone, but it just seems dumb and showy to make a major decision such as a college choice on state abortion laws.

And if your daughter gets pregnant in a red state? Even discussing options over the phone with her could put you in jail for life, or bounty hunters could sue you into oblivion.

Still no big deal to tou?

You speak as those these girls may just catch a cold. My DD has a set of values and morals that make "getting pregnant" while she is in college extremely, extremely unlikely. Women don't just "become pregnant," you know. I feel really sorry for you parents for whom this is a major worry. Perhaps you should have started thinking about that when she was about 6.

+1. It shocks and saddens me what shallow, meaningless relationships so many of these posters seem to have with their daughters. Do you not know your girls at all?

Things happen and sometimes even when your dd's grow up and want a baby they are born without brains or something else and then your dd may need an abortion.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems silly to blame colleges (and not apply to them) for government decision. Most of these colleges established over a century ago.

miss the point much? no one is blaming the colleges, they are simply not willing to subject themselves or their daughters to backwards, anti-women environments. Just so happens those colleges reside in backwards states. I assume that you yourself wouldn't want to a state with politics you vehemently disagree with, so these students are making the same decision. Tons of great colleges for all beliefs. No need to live in an environment that doesn't respect your rights.

Many people live in states where they don't agree with their politics (e.g. Florida). Part of the reason America is so divisive is because of people like you who seem to advocate for a divided country

Spoken like one who has never birthed a child. You do have any concept of the life altering nature of that? Permanent and significant...physically, mentally, emotionally, financially.....for ever and ever.

Overturning Roe is not disagreeable "politics". It is an assualt on fundamental rights.

Not sure what birthing a child has anything to do with this when we're talking about aborting a child. Instead of having a polite discussion, you seem to like to hurl insults. Some would argue that the unborn child also has rights too. You may not agree with that position and that's okay. Just try to sound like a rational human being. It's easy to be a jerk when you hide behind anonymity.

But are those rights greater than the woman who is carrying the fetus? What if the mother has several children and would die if she had the baby. Is it better for those alive children to not have their mother because of the life of the fetus "trumps" the mom?

I don't believe that anyone is arguing about who's rights are greater, simply that some would argue that the unborn child also has rights.

Yes but you are telling a women who is already born that her rights are less than a fetus. 'what don't you get about that?

No, not really. She has the right to life and so does her child.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t be obtuse. Young people make mistakes. Plenty of people have failed birth control. There are hundreds of rapes on college campuses every year. It’s not a moral failing to have an unwanted pregnancy.

In many, many cases ... yes, it is.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t be obtuse. Young people make mistakes. Plenty of people have failed birth control. There are hundreds of rapes on college campuses every year. It’s not a moral failing to have an unwanted pregnancy.

In many, many cases ... yes, it is.

Sex is a primal human need.

Morals don't play a role in sex between consenting adults.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t be obtuse. Young people make mistakes. Plenty of people have failed birth control. There are hundreds of rapes on college campuses every year. It’s not a moral failing to have an unwanted pregnancy.

In many, many cases ... yes, it is.

I hope your daughter is never raped.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t be obtuse. Young people make mistakes. Plenty of people have failed birth control. There are hundreds of rapes on college campuses every year. It’s not a moral failing to have an unwanted pregnancy.

In many, many cases ... yes, it is.

I hope your daughter is never raped.

She will never know because her daughter will fear her mom will blame her.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t be obtuse. Young people make mistakes. Plenty of people have failed birth control. There are hundreds of rapes on college campuses every year. It’s not a moral failing to have an unwanted pregnancy.

In many, many cases ... yes, it is.

Sex is a primal human need.

Morals don't play a role in sex between consenting adults.

Do you run your life based on your "primal" human needs? An evolved society is based on the idea that mature, responsible people control those "primal" needs. It's what separates us from the apes.