Some U.S. students re-think college plans in states with abortion bans

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You’re delusional if you think this will change anything.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.

This Stuy student cannot be herself because her right to an abortion is not constitutionally protected in certain states?!!!

You and PPP are misstating what that child said. That is not what she said. She said she was just beginning to figure out who she was. The article talked about abortion and LGBT issues. You have no idea what that student was referencing, particularly becaus the article was not very cogent. However that did not stop you from inputting your biases.

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PP you should think about writing an oped about your story, and adoption. I'm glad you had such a great caseworker and that you're doing well.

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Anonymous wrote:I will not let my children choose a school where abortion would not be available. I'm already planning possible ways to emigrate should there be a strict nationwide ban. I can't raise my kids in a country with so little freedom or common sense.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on the state really. Georgia for instance is very purple and could very likely go blue this year, Emory and Georgia Tech are somewhat safe from any blowback from this.

I heard that about VA. Now look at us.

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Anonymous wrote:Who cares if they decide not to go to College X, Y, Z. They probably don’t need another liberal brainwashed anyways.

This os a dumb take that ignores the economic realities of higher education in 2022. There is a finite supply of parents of college age kids out there who are full pay, when full pay looks like $300k (or more per kid). Maybe the top 5-7% of the population. Top 10% is 200k HHI and That’s the donut hole. And conservative parents who can pay this amount often do not believe the brand name education or an OOS education is worth the high price tag. They often send their kids a tier down with merit or in state. The issue for a brand name school isn’t filling seats post Roe. It’s filling enough seats with full pay students, who effectively subsidize everyone else.

The problem with you take is that the parents you call “liberal brainwashed,” colleges call “highly coveted full pay” and “necessary to keep the light on”.

And on to this that the number of high school grads have peaked and the long anticipated college demographic cliff is coming. And yeah— some red state schools will have issues.

And I agree— it’s that the people of the state have elected people who have codified a second class citizenship status. It is degrading. Also, you send a kid to Wash U. She has an unplanned pregnancy. She comes home and you discuss this as a family and she decides to have an abortion in the DMV. She goes back to Wash U. Which is in a state with laws against leaving MO for an abortion. Congrats. Your kid is a felon. And you think MO wouldn’t love to make an example of a liberal college kid?

Off topic-- but how does that work? Kid is not technically domiciled in a red state, they are domiciled in their home state, attending college in the red state. With the exception of private colleges, they pay out of state tuition and are on their parents' tax returns. I understand that they have to follow the laws where they are attending college, while they are there---but can Missouri hold an out of state resident as a prisoner and prevent her from getting health care in her home state? That would make Missouri it's own country.

We will have to wait until Alito’s Court decide, but it is definitely an interesting legal question.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do privileged people LOVE to center themselves. Legit you would not use your substantial resources to fly your Rice kid to Maryland, or even Canada if necessary? Stop it. Focus on the actual at-risk people. SMH

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Like my daughter is smart enough to get into Kenyon, but not smart enough to call me and say “Hey Mom, can you fly me home for the weekend? I miss the dog.” … We don’t have a dog.

Lots of hysterical panicking on this thread. If your DD is at college out of state, you can bring them home for a visit anytime.

Neither of my kids - son and daughter - have any interest in living in a state that treats women like trash. Or going to school with people who find that acceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:Also, pro adoption mom, you should open your eyes and ears. Lots of adoptees feel like me.

So you'd rather be dead?

I'm someone who aged out of the system and yes, there are many times when I believed it would have been better for my birth mother to have aborted me rather than go through with the pregnancy. But that's what happens when a crack addict who is not all there in the head has a kid. It took a lot of therapy to understand those feelings and deal with them. I still believe that. I'd never wish my childhood life of ANY person.

I went into the system fulltime at age 6. Even though I was white with blonde hair & blue eyes, the most desired of all adoptable kids, I was way too damaged to ever be seriously considered adoptable. First of all, I was ancient at 6 years old. Second of all, I had been born addicted to drugs. Thirdly, I had gone into the system once previously due to severe neglect and had been labeled a failure to thrive.

My life was bouncing between foster homes and building up so much internal hatred for everyone and everything around me. I was a big ball of hate and rage until age 13 when my new case worker told me that if I kept it up, I'd be dead by 18 and prove everyone who'd said something negative about me right. There was something about her that resonated with me when others had not. She saved me. I got my shit together in school and took the anger management courses I had been assigned seriously (after not taking them seriously the first time). I got some therapy, too, which helped, but definitely not as much as I needed back then.

Every damn day of my life from age birth to 20 was a struggle just to survive. It wasn't until age 20 that things started to really turn around for me... I had made my own family through friends, I had places to go to during school breaks, I landed a great job that paid well and allowed me to do my schoolwork during the downtime so I was able to start really saving some money, etc. I mean, my life wasn't great like it is now and I did still struggle, but instead of feeling like I was treading water and the bottom of my lip was halfway underwater, it felt like my whole neck was out of the water and that was the first time I'd ever felt that way.

I get so angry when I hear people say "there's always adoption!" because that's a big f#cking lie. If you're not white, perfectly healthy, and under age 1, your chances of getting adopted dwindle each year.

I'm here to tell you that what comes after a forced pregnancy is NOT adoption. It's a big ass nightmarish struggle that will break almost all people.

Your story is powerful, and you are an amazing fighter, and the forced birthers will not care at all about your experience because they don’t care whatsoever about living children.

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Anonymous wrote:we're currently down to schools in VA, NC and PA (3 states where these rights are teetering) and then NJ, RI, MA and IL

I have a couple schools on the west coast+NV and then a couple in Canada on the list for my daughter as wild cards, but they are mostly out of our realistic price range

My daughter will be going to school in VA and registering to vote! And she will have the depo shot before going.

Another option is the implant in the arm which may be better tolerated than the IUD.

My kids just tentatively scratched VA schools off the list.

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Anonymous wrote:How many abortions are these girls trying to get in the next four years?

+1000

If this was my DD's biggest concern in choosing a college, I would consider myself a massive failure as her mother.

Meanwhile, please tell your smart DD's to go right ahead and take Duke, Emory, Rice etc off of their lists!!! My rising HS junior DD would be delighted not to have the competition from these pious fools.

My daughter’s - and son’s - big concern is the treatment of women. And the attack on their personal liberties.

You want your kids to sit back while human rights are being attacked? Sounds like bad parenting.

What about the future women whose lives are now being saved? You don't care at all about them? Sounds like bad parenting to me.

You mean the unwanted fetuses?

That is beyond sick to force women to give birth to children they don’t want.

Every child deserves to be wanted.

Wow. I truly hope you are not a parent. Anyone who refers to "unwanted fetuses" has a screw or two loose.

Banning abortion doesn’t suddenly make all of those fetuses wanted.

You are forcing women to give birth to these unwanted fetuses. You aren’t “saving” them. You’re condemning them to a life of being unwanted.

This is so offensive it's hard to imagine it was posted by a grown woman. I have DC that have come out of my vagina and one that's adopted. My adopted DC was never unwanted -- his parents were too young to care for him. I know a lot of parents with adopted DC. They are not doomed to a life of being unwanted. What an idiotic thing to say.

I am pro-choice but I find so much of the pro-choice argument to be repulsive. This one is a first, though.

I may agree with you in theory, but in practice you’re dead wrong. There are so many unwanted children who have not had the fortune of being in a living home, adopted or birth. The foster care system around this country is filled to capacity with children who are not wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.

+1000. Translation: I don't want to move somewhere that I have to act responsibly and put a lid on my wild sex life.

You want to force all college kids to abstain from sex?

You can’t force your religious views on others.

Who said anything about abstinence? Did you just wake up from a coma? Tell your children to USE BIRTH CONTROL. Birth control was supposed to be the big sexual liberator for women. What happened to that idea?

Thomas said Griswald v Connecticut should be overturned. He has the votes in SCOTUS. He has asked the far right to bring them the case.

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Anonymous wrote:"The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in June to overturn the 1973 Roe v. Wade case that legalized abortion nationwide has some students rethinking their higher education plans as states rush to ban or curtail abortion, according to interviews with 20 students and college advisers across the country.

For some students, the restrictions raise fears that they won't be able to get an abortion if they need one or that they will face discrimination for gender differences. Others said they worried about facing racial prejudice or being politically ostracized.

"I'm only in high school right now, and I'm still finding out who I am," said Samira Murad, 17, who will be a senior this fall at Stuyvesant High School in New York. "I don't want to move somewhere I can't be myself because of laws put in place."

It is too soon to determine whether such concerns will affect admissions in a measurable way, and evidence from other recent divisive state laws suggests there may be little overall impact.

But in the wake of Roe's overturn, college counselors said abortion has figured prominently in many conversations with clients, with some going as far as nixing their dream schools."

Kristen Willmott, a counselor with Top Tier Admissions in Massachusetts, said students she works with have told her they are taking some top schools in Texas, Florida and Tennessee off their application lists due to their restrictive abortion laws.

Alexis Prisco, who is entering her senior year at Eastern Technical High School in Maryland, had planned to apply to her parents' alma mater, Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri."

https://news.yahoo.com/u-students-think-college-plans-101417689.html

What the hell? I'm pro-choice but that quote is insanity. Abortion is not birth control. Someone please inform this girl of that.

+1000. Translation: I don't want to move somewhere that I have to act responsibly and put a lid on my wild sex life.

I think you and others are intentionally being obtuse. It is not about abortion singularly, but about the slippery slope of dismantling a 50 year precedent so easily. The senator from Texas has already said that he wants Brown v Board of Education reversed because it too was based on the same reasoning as Roe. A member of the SCOTUS majority wrote in his opinion that he invites a case regarding the right to contraceptives; gay marriage ; and cunnilingus/felatio to be revisited by the courts. Those were privacy issues decisions as well. Maybe none of those issues are concerning to you because perchance you are white and heterosexual and don’t enjoy oral sex, but they concern and impact a lot of other people in this country. If they succeed down this road, eventually they will get to something that impacts you, but then it will be too late and nobody left willing or able to fight or care about you.

Believe me, there was nothing "easy" about dismantling RvW. We pro-lifers have been working at it for years.

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Anonymous wrote:we're currently down to schools in VA, NC and PA (3 states where these rights are teetering) and then NJ, RI, MA and IL

I have a couple schools on the west coast+NV and then a couple in Canada on the list for my daughter as wild cards, but they are mostly out of our realistic price range

My daughter will be going to school in VA and registering to vote! And she will have the depo shot before going.

Another option is the implant in the arm which may be better tolerated than the IUD.

My kids just tentatively scratched VA schools off the list.

Oh no!!! I can hear the admissions people weeping from here. Whatever will the VA schools do without the opportunity to be graced by PP's kids?

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I do not know why anybody would let their kids move to a place where women are second class citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do privileged people LOVE to center themselves. Legit you would not use your substantial resources to fly your Rice kid to Maryland, or even Canada if necessary? Stop it. Focus on the actual at-risk people. SMH

+ 1

Like my daughter is smart enough to get into Kenyon, but not smart enough to call me and say “Hey Mom, can you fly me home for the weekend? I miss the dog.” … We don’t have a dog.

Lots of hysterical panicking on this thread. If your DD is at college out of state, you can bring them home for a visit anytime.

To me it’s not about the actual scenario of needing an abortion. I just wouldn’t want my kid in a state that doesn’t value women as independent citizens.