Federal judge rules that admissions changes at nation’s top public school discriminate against Asian

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Anonymous wrote:If TJ doesn’t serve all of Fairfax County, it shouldn’t exist.

TJ allows neighboring counties to “buy” a few seats. Ok so no they don’t really buy them but the school district has to contribute a certain amount per seat they have.

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Anonymous wrote:The Admissions Office was likely to release decisions within the next month before this ruling. Assuming the injunction stays the process for class of 2026, one wonders how the Admissions Office will proceed.

I am most interested in the answer to this question. What is going to happen to the kids who applied under the new system this year?

They have to scrap it and do the admissions process all over again for the class of 2026. The woke white racists lost this round. Maybe they will do it right and look at the Black & Hispanic kids in AAP instead of assuming that they all live in the hood.

That’s not an option that’s reasonably on the table. The applicants are the applicants at this point.

Then they would be violating a court order. Today the judge prohibited the current admission practice. They must start over.

I believe he has just issued an opinion, with an order to issue soon? And if Fairfax appeals, they can seek a stay of any order pending appeal. I doubt this will have any immediate impact (though maybe I’m wrong and an order has issued—if so can someone link to it?)

There is no automatic right of appeal for civil cases in VA, it’s discretionary directly to the VA Supreme Court. Unlikely they get an appeal, very unlikely they get a stay.

It's in federal court. Next stop, Fourth Circuit, potentially.

This decision was clearly judicial activism. It will get laughed out fhe 4th circuit.

Another mickey mouse lawyer chiming in with his cognitive dissonance. Name three things in the opinion that are wrong and will get laughed out of the 4th Circuit.

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Anonymous wrote:Deep reaths, folks. I read the decision, and I have to say that I found the evidence of discriminatory intent to be unconvincing. What I perceive is FCPS acting in good faith. The Fourth Circuit is a solidly liberal court.

You are entitled to your opinion.

Well PP, if you were a judge we would care what your biased opinion was about the decision. How about we apologize to Asian-American student sfor discriminating against them and moving on or shutting TJ down.

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Anonymous wrote:Deep breaths, folks. I read the decision, and I have to say that I found the evidence of discriminatory intent to be unconvincing. What I perceive is FCPS acting in good faith. The Fourth Circuit is a solidly liberal court.

I read the decision too and it seemed clear that there was an intention to act on the basis of race.

I don't think that was really ever in doubt. I thought they were just advocating that they came up with a legal way to balance the admissions. (Yes, clearly they were wrong.)

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Anonymous wrote:Deep breaths, folks. I read the decision, and I have to say that I found the evidence of discriminatory intent to be unconvincing. What I perceive is FCPS acting in good faith. The Fourth Circuit is a solidly liberal court.

Deep breath, folks. I've also read the opinion, and under its characterization of the law, disparate impact is the starting point for determining discriminatory intent, and racial intent need be only one of several motivating factors for the actions. The Fourth Circuit will have no particular desire to be overturned by the Supreme Court, regardless of how "liberal" (and I guess, therefore virtuous) they are.

PP, appellate courts do not customarily engage in fact finding, but you should alert them to your "perceptions," as these will surely be a game changer.

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Anonymous wrote:Deep breaths, folks. I read the decision, and I have to say that I found the evidence of discriminatory intent to be unconvincing. What I perceive is FCPS acting in good faith. The Fourth Circuit is a solidly liberal court.

Deep breath, folks. I've also read the opinion, and under its characterization of the law, disparate impact is the starting point for determining discriminatory intent, and racial intent need be only one of several motivating factors for the actions. The Fourth Circuit will have no particular desire to be overturned by the Supreme Court, regardless of how "liberal" (and I guess, therefore virtuous) they are.

PP, appellate courts do not customarily engage in fact finding, but you should alert them to your "perceptions," as these will surely be a game changer.

Not sure who you are talking to. My guess is that of it gets to the Fourth Circuit the decision will be reversed and matter will be remanded. One thing every reasonable person should agree on if admission tests return: ALL applicants should have equal access to high quality test prep programs. Absent that, upper middle class/wealthy people of all races have an unfair advnatage.

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Anonymous wrote:Deep breaths, folks. I read the decision, and I have to say that I found the evidence of discriminatory intent to be unconvincing. What I perceive is FCPS acting in good faith. The Fourth Circuit is a solidly liberal court.

So liberals are solidly against Asians now?

Of course not.

Yes they are. Actions speak louder than words.

Yes, they are. That’s clear from the start. With the all D school board, Brabrand, and the numerous posts in DCUM land that effectively show the pulse of the liberal agenda. And look at what happened in San Francisco.

Stating that the judge is a right winger ( as a previous post did) and adding that the 4th circuit is “solidly liberal” is loud and clear. Along with the multitude digs about ‘tiger moms’ and ‘robots’ and ‘cheaters’. Add to that the complete apathy about how it’s totally okay to create systemic discrimination or ethnic cleansing of Asians- (as another poster said the previous admissions was ethnic cleansing blacks).

If you haven’t figured out liberals hate Asians, you’re still drinking the Kool-Aid. My vote is independent now. This goes beyond TJ.

Your vote is “independent now”?

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Anonymous wrote:Deep breaths, folks. I read the decision, and I have to say that I found the evidence of discriminatory intent to be unconvincing. What I perceive is FCPS acting in good faith. The Fourth Circuit is a solidly liberal court.

Deep breath, folks. I've also read the opinion, and under its characterization of the law, disparate impact is the starting point for determining discriminatory intent, and racial intent need be only one of several motivating factors for the actions. The Fourth Circuit will have no particular desire to be overturned by the Supreme Court, regardless of how "liberal" (and I guess, therefore virtuous) they are.

PP, appellate courts do not customarily engage in fact finding, but you should alert them to your "perceptions," as these will surely be a game changer.

Not sure who you are talking to. My guess is that of it gets to the Fourth Circuit the decision will be reversed and matter will be remanded. One thing every reasonable person should agree on if admission tests return: ALL applicants should have equal access to high quality test prep programs. Absent that, upper middle class/wealthy people of all races have an unfair advnatage.

Absolutely agree: ALL applicants should have equal access to high-quality test prep programs. Finally, a great cohort of well-prepared students means the community and country wins.
I read somewhere that in NY, someone actually offered to pay for it. There were not many takers. I do hope that's the case around here.
I also think tests should be made more prep proof. Easier said than done. But definitely possible.

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Did the change mostly just get more privileged white kids into TJ?

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Anonymous wrote:Did the change mostly just get more privileged white kids into TJ?

Yes

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Anonymous wrote:Did the change mostly just get more privileged white kids into TJ?

Nah, that's a nice trope but whites were like 22% of admits, though 60% of population, a portion similar to prior years

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Anonymous wrote:Did the change mostly just get more privileged white kids into TJ?

Nah, that's a nice trope but whites were like 22% of admits, though 60% of population, a portion similar to prior years

No. No of White students increased noticeably.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the change mostly just get more privileged white kids into TJ?

Nah, that's a nice trope but whites were like 22% of admits, though 60% of population, a portion similar to prior years

No. No of White students increased noticeably.

DP.

From the class of 2024 to 2025 there were more white students admitted, in number and %, going from 18% to 22%. But, in the recent years before the change, the % of white students fluctuated around 20%. So an increase but not significant.

And 38% of FCPS students are white.

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Anonymous wrote:Did the change mostly just get more privileged white kids into TJ?

Here are the demographic changes from class or 2024 to 2025.
> more students from all over the county; every single MS is now represented
> more students from ED backgrounds, going from <1% to 25% of the freshman class (27% of FCPS students are ED)
> more Hispanic students, from 3% to 11% (27% of FCPS)
> more black/mixed students, from 6% to 13% (30% of FCPS)
> more white students, from 18% to 22% (38% of FCPS)
> more female students, from 42% to 46% (48% of FCPS)
> fewer Asian students, from 73% to 54% (20% of FCPS)
> fewer private school students, from 10% to 3%

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Anonymous wrote:Which is the more fair system (a simplification):

System A: Students take a test to get into a school. The top 550 students get in. There is no consideration for geographic diversity. There is no consideration for SES diversity. Test prepping is rampant, and reserved for those that can afford it.

System B: Students take a test. Prior to the test, the school makes a decision on what scores are likely to result in "successful" students. Everyone who scores in that range is put into a pool. 750 students make the cut. The student population is then selected with various factors in mind, including geographic and SES diversity. Students that are ranked from 450-550 are left out.

A. I think as a state and as a larger society we need to have opportunities for the smartest students. I don’t see anything wrong with test prepping. They are still aceing the test. I went to a similar school and many of the students were very poor but spent all their free time on academics.

(My kids are not TJ kids)

Honestly I think the solution is to make the test much harder. The reason it’s so amenable to prep is because they watered it down years ago to try to diversify the school.