US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:I'm fascinated by the number of people on here who are crying racism against Asians and then making racist comments towards black people

Vile racists have been emboldened since Trump.

I believe that would be the divider in chief, Obama, who you are talking about. Nobody used race against our society better than him. Give credit where credit is due.

And there you have it it all comes down to still being pissed a black man dare become president

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Case is closed.

That’s what they said about roe v Wade.

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Anonymous wrote:Which "certain" groups score lower than others? Why "certain"?

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Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

The "trend" is to increase diversity. And since certain groups score lower than others, and it was pretty obvious, they did away with it.

Keep up.

Probably due to the large IQ differences from a previous post. Blacks in the US have an average IQ of 83; Asians in the US have an average IQ of 108. To think that groups with such large differences in average IQ should have even remotely similar representation at top colleges is absurd.

Averages are useless in this conversation unless we use the average of the top 1%.

Similar standard deviations for all the groups, so based on that I’d expect the top 1% to start at 118 for blacks, 135 for Whites and 143 for Asians.

Holy smokes! You are literally making up numbers.

[Anonymous]

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Case is closed.

That’s what they said about roe v Wade.

Good luck.
New Supreme Court Expansion Study: Liberals Might Not Control Court Until 2065
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The top 1% IQ score of all Americans is roughly 130. Are you saying that they should all be welcomed into the top schools regardless of their ethnicity? Or are you saying that even those people should be divided into ethnic categories and evaluated thus?

Didn't we just finish getting rid of that?

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Anonymous wrote:The top 1% IQ score of all Americans is roughly 130. Are you saying that they should all be welcomed into the top schools regardless of their ethnicity? Or are you saying that even those people should be divided into ethnic categories and evaluated thus?

Didn't we just finish getting rid of that?

Can't imagine some of these top 1% 130 IQs complain about SAT

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Anonymous wrote:I'm fascinated by the number of people on here who are crying racism against Asians and then making racist comments towards black people

(OP here)

Agree.

At some point, we need to accept that we are a very diverse nation and that we need to work together regardless of race, religion,or other differences.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which "certain" groups score lower than others? Why "certain"?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

The "trend" is to increase diversity. And since certain groups score lower than others, and it was pretty obvious, they did away with it.

Keep up.

Probably due to the large IQ differences from a previous post. Blacks in the US have an average IQ of 83; Asians in the US have an average IQ of 108. To think that groups with such large differences in average IQ should have even remotely similar representation at top colleges is absurd.

Averages are useless in this conversation unless we use the average of the top 1%.

Similar standard deviations for all the groups, so based on that I’d expect the top 1% to start at 118 for blacks, 135 for Whites and 143 for Asians.

Holy smokes! You are literally making up numbers.

No, based on a standard deviation of 15, that’s the 99th percentile of each group based on average IQs of 83, 100 and 108 respectively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The top 1% IQ score of all Americans is roughly 130. Are you saying that they should all be welcomed into the top schools regardless of their ethnicity? Or are you saying that even those people should be divided into ethnic categories and evaluated thus?

Didn't we just finish getting rid of that?

It’s been long studied there is a law of diminishing return with respect to IQ.

So 115 - 130 is the sweet spot, anything higher needs extremely careful evaluation.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which "certain" groups score lower than others? Why "certain"?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

The "trend" is to increase diversity. And since certain groups score lower than others, and it was pretty obvious, they did away with it.

Keep up.

Probably due to the large IQ differences from a previous post. Blacks in the US have an average IQ of 83; Asians in the US have an average IQ of 108. To think that groups with such large differences in average IQ should have even remotely similar representation at top colleges is absurd.

Averages are useless in this conversation unless we use the average of the top 1%.

Similar standard deviations for all the groups, so based on that I’d expect the top 1% to start at 118 for blacks, 135 for Whites and 143 for Asians.

Holy smokes! You are literally making up numbers.

No, based on a standard deviation of 15, that’s the 99th percentile of each group based on average IQs of 83, 100 and 108 respectively.

No it doesn’t work like that. Holy smokes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which "certain" groups score lower than others? Why "certain"?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

The "trend" is to increase diversity. And since certain groups score lower than others, and it was pretty obvious, they did away with it.

Keep up.

Probably due to the large IQ differences from a previous post. Blacks in the US have an average IQ of 83; Asians in the US have an average IQ of 108. To think that groups with such large differences in average IQ should have even remotely similar representation at top colleges is absurd.

Averages are useless in this conversation unless we use the average of the top 1%.

Similar standard deviations for all the groups, so based on that I’d expect the top 1% to start at 118 for blacks, 135 for Whites and 143 for Asians.

Holy smokes! You are literally making up numbers.

Hopefully thats made up since 118 is much more desired than 143.

If not, it might explain why the top Asians are not accepted since 140+ IQ is a deficit not positive.

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DH has had some underqualified med students applicants for residents. There was so much pressure to hire a black resident in his sub specialty. They would interview who scored lower than their normal board score cut off and they still could not get a black resident. They also wanted to get a black chairman and failed to find a qualified applicant.

Do you really want a physician who did not meet the bare minimum requirements to get an interview? Would you pick a doctor just because he was black?

wow, you are really underqualified to talk about it, and quite racist actually ... I'm not going to make assumptions about your skin color

first of all, if this is true, it is just your particular experience and what you and your dh understood of it
second, there are significantly fewer AA med grads
third, there are so many incompetent residents and doctors that are not AA, I work in the field
forth, it should never come to wanting specific skin color but if two applicants have comparable qualifications and you want more diversity because it brings something to your hospital, then you should consider hiring the applicant that brings that with her/him

I absolutely agree that if there were two comparable applicants with the same qualifications, a school or company or hospital should want diversity. I don’t think anyone is arguing this. The problem is when an applicant with far inferior qualifications is getting chosen over more qualified applicants just because of their skin color.

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Asians get higher scores on activities, leadership, interview

they do work harder as parents push harder but they start with significant advantage, most of them have parents with higher education that came here with scholarships for graduate school or postdoc jobs, no debt as undergrad is free in their home country, then continue to stay here and get good positions in academia or research labs, then help their kids to get internships and jobs through their connections and so on

the ones that came poor with little education have little upward mobility, so do not generalize

LOL No, you seem to have some sort of fantasy about Asians, but it's not like that.
What you just described are actually wealthy White ALDC folks.

Just 50-70 years ago, Asian countries like Japan, Korea, Vietnam, and China were all in ruins, and they were among the poorest countries, even poorer than some African nations. Most Asian immigrants didn't have any luxuries in the end. If they had anything, it was due to hard work and sacrifices, as well as their value for education. For those who come here after college from their home countries, they face significant language, social, and cultural barriers.

However, they manage to achieve middle-class status by the second or third generation through their dedication to education.
It's important to move away from a victim mentality in order to make progress.

How about Indian Americans? They have the same complexion as blacks. They do very well. So it's not the color of the skin that's holding down people.

Many Indians have darker skin than African Americans.

My Indian American friend referred to her children as brown. I always thought brown people were Hispanics. My friend corrected me and said her family gets discrimination in all categories - their dark skin and Asian American discrimination from schools.

[Anonymous]

Remember when Mindy Kaling’s brother got into med school by stating he was black. He had a low 3.1 GPA. No Indian American student is getting into med school with a 3.1 GPA.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when Mindy Kaling’s brother got into med school by stating he was black. He had a low 3.1 GPA. No Indian American student is getting into med school with a 3.1 GPA.

He did