Anybody following the Karen Read trial in Boston?

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Anonymous wrote:So how does Karen Read rebuild her life? She can't go back to white-collar work, can she? I thought she sold her house and burned her retirement.

Movie rights, book(s), maybe even a reality show or two. Podcast, become a motivational speaker for how to Live Your Truth. She’ll be more than fine.

Now that she is out of criminal jeopardy, her very next task is to sit for a deposition in the civil wrongful death suit that is pending against her and which will bankrupt her in perpetuity just as happened to OJ Simpson. Whatever book (do her cult followers read?), movie, docuseries or other media rights she sells, the proceeds will be putting John's niece and nephew through the colleges of their choosing etc.

Karen put money in a trust for the kids to go to college so they are all set there.

I think Paul needs to get a job and Peggy needs therapy.

I’m fairly new to this case

Who are P and P?

What trust?

Prior to JOK’s death, there was money set aside for JOK’s niece and nephew. Karen helped JOK set the money aside in safe investment so that the money would be there for future use. She is not on the accounts (never was).
Paul is JOK’s brother and Peggy is his (their) mother.
Peggy fought JOK in the courts for years for custody over the kids and stopped speaking to JOK when he won custody.

Wait? The kids parents are alive? Why did JOK have custody then?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Karen Read and her conspiracy theories ruined a lot of people’s lives.

The owner of the house destroying a SIM card and his cell phone at two different trash receptacles at a military base is not a “conspiracy.” It is a documented fact to which he testified in court.

Correct. He and Brian Higgins both did this - and they had been disposing of their phones and SIM cards this way for years due to the sensitive nature of information on their phone. The proliferations of lies and distortions from Turtle Boy and FKR people really is something to behold.

I attribute it to the overall lack of trust in institutions and police in general now. Proctor certainly made it worse and was the reason she was acquitted.

You are such a butt liar or just as dumb as you accuse the KR conspiracy supporters of being.

I work around data security. No police dept just lets their employees randomly decide how to destroy or delete sensitive info, and lets them do this in a random bin. There are specific regulatory and compliance tech standards for safe deletion of data. Just stop being such a lying moron. Enough

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But it happened. Higgins drove to the army base on the cape to dump his. He testified to this in the first trial.

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Anonymous wrote:So how does Karen Read rebuild her life? She can't go back to white-collar work, can she? I thought she sold her house and burned her retirement.

Movie rights, book(s), maybe even a reality show or two. Podcast, become a motivational speaker for how to Live Your Truth. She’ll be more than fine.

Now that she is out of criminal jeopardy, her very next task is to sit for a deposition in the civil wrongful death suit that is pending against her and which will bankrupt her in perpetuity just as happened to OJ Simpson. Whatever book (do her cult followers read?), movie, docuseries or other media rights she sells, the proceeds will be putting John's niece and nephew through the colleges of their choosing etc.

Karen put money in a trust for the kids to go to college so they are all set there.

I think Paul needs to get a job and Peggy needs therapy.

I’m fairly new to this case

Who are P and P?

What trust?

Prior to JOK’s death, there was money set aside for JOK’s niece and nephew. Karen helped JOK set the money aside in safe investment so that the money would be there for future use. She is not on the accounts (never was).
Paul is JOK’s brother and Peggy is his (their) mother.
Peggy fought JOK in the courts for years for custody over the kids and stopped speaking to JOK when he won custody.

Wait? The kids parents are alive? Why did JOK have custody then?

Peggy is the grandma.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But it happened. Higgins drove to the army base on the cape to dump his. He testified to this in the first trial.

Sure, he may have done this but pretending this was standard police procedure is a total lie, and indicates he was destroying his device for some reason other than just wanting to protect his sources or whatever he was claiming was on his phone legitimately.

Come on. There’s a tech person in every police dept that wipes devices or destroys them when they are obsolete. Police don’t individually decide how to handle information. It is regulated.

This PO dept was a total farce and anyone saying she was acquitted because of her lies and turtle boy blah blah is not facing reality.

I personally believe they had a fight in the house and dumped him outside or something along those lines, but I really don’t know.

What I do know, is that the police and that group were shady liars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Karen Read and her conspiracy theories ruined a lot of people’s lives.

The owner of the house destroying a SIM card and his cell phone at two different trash receptacles at a military base is not a “conspiracy.” It is a documented fact to which he testified in court.

Correct. He and Brian Higgins both did this - and they had been disposing of their phones and SIM cards this way for years due to the sensitive nature of information on their phone. The proliferations of lies and distortions from Turtle Boy and FKR people really is something to behold.

I attribute it to the overall lack of trust in institutions and police in general now. Proctor certainly made it worse and was the reason she was acquitted.

You are such a butt liar or just as dumb as you accuse the KR conspiracy supporters of being.

I work around data security. No police dept just lets their employees randomly decide how to destroy or delete sensitive info, and lets them do this in a random bin. There are specific regulatory and compliance tech standards for safe deletion of data. Just stop being such a lying moron. Enough

But he testified that that’s exactly what he did. Do you now understand why these people seem corrupt and unethical? None of their behavior was professional or in line with conducting a proper investigation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But it happened. Higgins drove to the army base on the cape to dump his. He testified to this in the first trial.

Sure, he may have done this but pretending this was standard police procedure is a total lie, and indicates he was destroying his device for some reason other than just wanting to protect his sources or whatever he was claiming was on his phone legitimately.

Come on. There’s a tech person in every police dept that wipes devices or destroys them when they are obsolete. Police don’t individually decide how to handle information. It is regulated.

This PO dept was a total farce and anyone saying she was acquitted because of her lies and turtle boy blah blah is not facing reality.

I personally believe they had a fight in the house and dumped him outside or something along those lines, but I really don’t know.

What I do know, is that the police and that group were shady liars.

I never said it was standard police procedure.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think she didn't do it - what do you make of JOK's niece testifying that Karen was talking about him possibly getting hit by a snowplow before they ever found his body? Was his niece lying too?

I say the medical evidence is clear that he wasn’t struck by a vehicle and that tells me more than any panicking gibberish she may have been uttering before he was found.

It’s not really clear he wasn’t clipped. It is clear he wasn’t hit directly which the prosecution never claimed.

I disagree. The evidence is clear that he wasn’t clipped by a vehicle either. If he was clipped with enough force to propel him onto the lawn, it would have caused distinctive injuries. The defense experts testified about “clipping” scenarios. If her vehicle clipped him gently, he doesn’t end up on the lawn. If her vehicle clips him at 25 mph, he ends up on the lawn with massive bruising and fractures from the impact. The commonwealth was also unable to recreate a scenario where he gets clipped with enough force to break the taillights but doesn’t sustain tell-tale injuries.

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who think she didn't do it - what do you make of JOK's niece testifying that Karen was talking about him possibly getting hit by a snowplow before they ever found his body? Was his niece lying too?

I say the medical evidence is clear that he wasn’t struck by a vehicle and that tells me more than any panicking gibberish she may have been uttering before he was found.

It’s not really clear he wasn’t clipped. It is clear he wasn’t hit directly which the prosecution never claimed.

I disagree. The evidence is clear that he wasn’t clipped by a vehicle either. If he was clipped with enough force to propel him onto the lawn, it would have caused distinctive injuries. The defense experts testified about “clipping” scenarios. If her vehicle clipped him gently, he doesn’t end up on the lawn. If her vehicle clips him at 25 mph, he ends up on the lawn with massive bruising and fractures from the impact. The commonwealth was also unable to recreate a scenario where he gets clipped with enough force to break the taillights but doesn’t sustain tell-tale injuries.

Yeah that is not good for the prosecution but I still don’t rule it out. Too many variables. I don’t believe in the coincidence that his last steps are recorded right after she reversed and peeled out of the Albert’s house and she was already talking about the possibility that she hit him or something hit him before he was even found yet they were the ones who killed him later and put him on the lawn. Just, no.

Their behavior with the phones and everything the next day and after are definitely weird. Can’t explain that except they were drunk and probably hiding something else.

Proctor’s texts are ultimately what did this case in though.

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What about the basement floor?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about the basement floor?

What about it?

[Anonymous]

Seems like he got into a fight in the house, the dog bit him, and at some point during these events, he fell and hit his head. Then he wondered outside and she was too drunk to notice his weird behavior was because he’s been beat up and attacked. She left and he collapsed in the snow.

Maybe she also hit him but unless he landed in his head and miraculously had no other impact injuries from her big SUV, this doesn’t make sense.

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“The events of the last three years have challenged our Department to thoroughly review our actions and take concrete steps to deliver advanced investigative training, ensure appropriate oversight, and enhance accountability. Under my direction as Colonel, the State Police has, and will continue to, improve in these regards. Our focus remains on delivering excellent police services that reflect the value of professionalism and maintain public trust.”

https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/mass-state-police-issue-statement-acquittal-karen-read-john-okeefes-death/ZE7XH3TLB5BIHLBL5PXRAZYXNU/

(Posting this as a person who believes Karen is guilty but the poor police work combined with Turtle Boy led to her acquittal.)

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Anonymous wrote:[google]Seems like he got into a fight in the house, the dog bit him, and at some point during these events, he fell and hit his head. Then he wondered outside and she was too drunk to notice his weird behavior was because he’s been beat up and attacked. She left and he collapsed in the snow. [b]

Maybe she also hit him but unless he landed in his head and miraculously had no other impact injuries from her big SUV, this doesn’t make sense.

How could this all happen in the seconds after she left him until his phone stopped moving?

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like he got into a fight in the house, the dog bit him, and at some point during these events, he fell and hit his head. Then he wondered outside and she was too drunk to notice his weird behavior was because he’s been beat up and attacked. She left and he collapsed in the snow.

Maybe she also hit him but unless he landed in his head and miraculously had no other impact injuries from her big SUV, this doesn’t make sense.

Timeline doesn’t work. Either she hit him, or he went to puke by the flag pole and hit his head or something happened to him after she left or a combination of the two latter points. My most likely theory is that: accidental fall and mcalberts running around like idiots butt dialing each other and trying to cover up his death to avoid being blamed rather than calling 911, resulting in no justice ever being served.