US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

Asians get higer scores on activities, leadership, interview

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

Asians get higer scores on activities, leadership, interview

and GPA and Rigors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/02/affirmative-action-swallows-rule/

Opinion
Why the right’s affirmative action victory is empty

(OP here)

In short, the Washington Post article asserts what I have posted repeatedly: Affirmative action admissions must be on a subjective, not an objective, basis.

Continuing:

On this basis, the Court is correct as minority students from privileged backgrounds should not be accorded admission advantages simply due to their race or heritage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

Asians get higer scores on activities, leadership, interview

Nice to know.

I like Asian food.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with low GPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

ok, SAT and AP exams are not free, so still advantage for kids that can afford multiple SAT takes and loads of AP exams
AP classes not available at all schools
some schools offering free SAT prep and exams while others do not ... not ok

[Anonymous]

AA : affirmative action

AA : African Americans

AA Asian Americans

they should be all in harmony

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with low GPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

ok, SAT and AP exams are not free, so still advantage for kids that can afford multiple SAT takes and loads of AP exams
AP classes not available at all schools
some schools offering free SAT prep and exams while others do not ... not ok

Go to a good state school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

Asians get higer scores on activities, leadership, interview

Nice to know.

I like Asian food.

Yes, keep that in mind.
These racists will keep trying to make you think that Asians are only good at tests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Asians get higher scores on activities, leadership, interview

they do work harder as parents push harder but they start with significant advantage, most of them have parents with higher education that came here with scholarships for graduate school or postdoc jobs, no debt as undergrad is free in their home country, then continue to stay here and get good positions in academia or research labs, then help their kids to get internships and jobs through their connections and so on

the ones that came poor with little education have little upward mobility, so do not generalize

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

ok, SAT and AP exams are not free, so still advantage for kids that can afford multiple SAT takes and loads of AP exams
AP classes not available at all schools
some schools offering free SAT prep and exams while others do not ... not ok

Go to a good state school

when you go to a poor neighborhood one

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:An aspect of the US Supreme court case involving Harvard University and affirmative action is that the litigants want to be admitted to a school for the best and most prestigious educational experience in the world, yet they want to change how that educational institution does its business.

This is not a matter of exclusion--as in not admitting applicants of a certain race, religion, or ethnicity, etc.--this is a case about forcing the arguably best educational institution in the world how to do its business in creating such a superb educational experience. And, yes, I do understand that it was brought & decided based on the US Constitution's equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, but, in this matter, it seems to be an overreach by the court. If, for example, we focus on Asian representation in the student body at Harvard College, Asians comprise about 6.3% of the US population, but are about 38% of the most recent entering class at Harvard--which does not appear to be a case of insidious discrimination when it is in fact a case of over-representation. And Harvard's admission policies do not constitute fraud, as Harvard is upfront that standardized test scores and GPAs are not the only factors considered in the admissions process. And class valedictorians and salutorians of many different races , religions, and ethnic backgrounds are denied admission to Harvard each and every year.

When Harvard was actively discriminating against Jews it was still considered "the best institution in the world". At the time, the Jewish population at Harvard was reaching 20% and climbing, while their overall population was like 2% or something. So, would you say it was fine that Harvard discriminated against Jews back then?

If not, then why is it ok for them to discriminate against Asian Americans in the exact same way that they discriminated against Jews?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with low GPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

ok, SAT and AP exams are not free, so still advantage for kids that can afford multiple SAT takes and loads of AP exams
AP classes not available at all schools
some schools offering free SAT prep and exams while others do not ... not ok

It's free for MCPS students, and as well as AP exam fees waived. If you want all low income kids to be able to take these tests, then we should make that a national waiver, which I 100% support.

But, getting rid of standardized exams is not the answer to level the playing field across ALL students from around the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

The "trend" is to increase diversity. And since certain groups score lower than others, and it was pretty obvious, they did away with it.

Keep up.

[Anonymous]

Which "certain" groups score lower than others? Why "certain"?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

The "trend" is to increase diversity. And since certain groups score lower than others, and it was pretty obvious, they did away with it.

Keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Which "certain" groups score lower than others? Why "certain"?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that GPA and test scores TOGETHER are both equally indicative of student performance. In other words, students with excellent grades can often have good SAT scores.

However, the reverse is not true. Students with lowGPAs can achieve excellent SAT scores through tutoring. This second scenario is not indicative of a good student. Just a good test taker who may have the money to “buy” their score.

In the end, GPA and rigor are king and this is why we are moving test optional… to level the playing field

You don't understand.
Rich people can hire tutors and afford to take shit ton of APs and college level math such as multi-variable calculus, differntial equations advance statistics, etc.
This boost their rigor points and weight GPA.

SAT is at least cover just the fundamental level that low income smart kids can compete.
There are really good free resources if you have smart and will.

grade inflation means GPA scores are meaningless.

Money can buy great extra curriculars.

At least SATs and APs are standard across the board. No grade inflation. You can get free test prep online at Khan (my kid used it) or at the library, and some schools even offer free test prep.

The SAT as mandatory train left the station years ago. Sorry.

Keep up with the trends. "MIT" isn't it.

HYPS, Columbia, etc. Is.

The "trend" is to increase diversity. And since certain groups score lower than others, and it was pretty obvious, they did away with it.

Keep up.

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