US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

You should study and prepare for those major tests like that.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
What is matter with these people??

These tests weren’t originally meant to be taken after the extreme amounts of “prep” that sometimes occurs now. The scores are no longer useful in giving insight into a student’s potential, so colleges are moving away from using them. Scores acquired by extreme prepping practices simply are not that useful in distinguishing one student’s abilities forum another.

The best university in the world MIT disagrees with you after years of research.
Colleges are not moving away. I want to keep it in the name of test optional.

So, MIT has published a study comparing outcomes between students who engaged in extreme prepping practices for the SAT and ACT and those who did not? Do you have a link to that exact study?

You should study and prepare for those major tests such as SAT, MCAT, Bar Exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.
It's expected.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
You just want to walk in without much effort? WTF

SAT is supposed to measure ability to learn, not what you have already learned.

the BAR exam and engineering tests test what you have already learned.

MIT research says SAT and GPA together are the best indication of how you'll be successful in college.

I can also say that BAR exam and Engineering tests idicate how succssful you will be in those professions.

MIT says they would like the option to see SAT. They also say they know a perfect SAT does not mean you will be a successful student at MIT. They also will accept applications without an SAT if you have a compelling reason.

Looks like MIT is smart enough to know it’s 1 data point with some information but not enough to choose a successful student.

You cite MIT because it's like the ONLY top college that went back to standardized testing, which fits your preference.

It's just one school that focuses on tech. A clear outlier since no other T25 college followed suit. Columbia went permanently test optional. The top colleges are test optional. They are not going back to requiring the SAT/ACT.

But keep pulling MIT out to make your point.

#sowhat

If those schools think SAT is no good and not a good measrue, they wouldn've gone test blind already, not test optional.
they want to keep the test. they like high scores.

SAT is a good predictor of students’ parent wealth. That is about. MIT does not need these test to determine their students. MIT has enough data points to do that without the SAT/ACT.

Wrong, MIT dies need that data, as shown by their internal research.

https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/we-are-reinstating-our-sat-act-requirement-for-future-admissions-cycles/

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Anonymous wrote:An aspect of the US Supreme court case involving Harvard University and affirmative action is that the litigants want to be admitted to a school for the best and most prestigious educational experience in the world, yet they want to change how that educational institution does its business.

This is not a matter of exclusion--as in not admitting applicants of a certain race, religion, or ethnicity, etc.--this is a case about forcing the arguably best educational institution in the world how to do its business in creating such a superb educational experience. And, yes, I do understand that it was brought & decided based on the US Constitution's equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, but, in this matter, it seems to be an overreach by the court. If, for example, we focus on Asian representation in the student body at Harvard College, Asians comprise about 6.3% of the US population, but are about 38% of the most recent entering class at Harvard--which does not appear to be a case of insidious discrimination when it is in fact a case of over-representation. And Harvard's admission policies do not constitute fraud, as Harvard is upfront that standardized test scores and GPAs are not the only factors considered in the admissions process. And class valedictorians and salutorians of many different races , religions, and ethnic backgrounds are denied admission to Harvard each and every year.

^ you're beating a dead horse. I'm sure many of us agree with you, but that position lost. Now Harvard just needs to figure out how to keep it's incoming classes diversified without over reliance on race and other prohibited factors. They're smart people there - I'm sure they'll figure out a way to do it.

Harvard will just get b slapped. Again.

BREAKING: @America1stLegal sent a legal threat letter to every law school in America: comply with the Supreme Court ruling on “affirmative action” — or see you in court.

If you’re a victim of discrimination call us at 1-877-AFL-5454

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Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

This exactly.

Keep the Black people out of elite colleges and the boardroom at any costs. But they can keep fighting the wars for the USA.

Are you saying that black people aren't smart enough for elite colleges or qualified enough for boardrooms?
Now, that is a racist mindset.

Underestimating the competence of black people is the dumbest thing that white people do to themselves. I went to a T14 law schools. The people who thought our black classmates were not qualified and only there because of affirmative action always ended up getting intellectually destroyed by those same classmates in moot court or a class discussion. They had it coming, but it was always painful to watch. Taking people's qualifications for granted is dangerous.

That's why this person is here to give out free legal advice. It's free. You get what you pay for.

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Anonymous wrote:An aspect of the US Supreme court case involving Harvard University and affirmative action is that the litigants want to be admitted to a school for the best and most prestigious educational experience in the world, yet they want to change how that educational institution does its business.

This is not a matter of exclusion--as in not admitting applicants of a certain race, religion, or ethnicity, etc.--this is a case about forcing the arguably best educational institution in the world how to do its business in creating such a superb educational experience. And, yes, I do understand that it was brought & decided based on the US Constitution's equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, but, in this matter, it seems to be an overreach by the court. If, for example, we focus on Asian representation in the student body at Harvard College, Asians comprise about 6.3% of the US population, but are about 38% of the most recent entering class at Harvard--which does not appear to be a case of insidious discrimination when it is in fact a case of over-representation. And Harvard's admission policies do not constitute fraud, as Harvard is upfront that standardized test scores and GPAs are not the only factors considered in the admissions process. And class valedictorians and salutorians of many different races , religions, and ethnic backgrounds are denied admission to Harvard each and every year.

^ you're beating a dead horse. I'm sure many of us agree with you, but that position lost. Now Harvard just needs to figure out how to keep it's incoming classes diversified without over reliance on race and other prohibited factors. They're smart people there - I'm sure they'll figure out a way to do it.

Harvard will just get b slapped. Again.

BREAKING: @America1stLegal sent a legal threat letter to every law school in America: comply with the Supreme Court ruling on “affirmative action” — or see you in court.

If you’re a victim of discrimination call us at 1-877-AFL-5454

Absolutely reeks of ambulance chasing.

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Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

This exactly.

Keep the Black people out of elite colleges and the boardroom at any costs. But they can keep fighting the wars for the USA.

Are you saying that black people aren't smart enough for elite colleges or qualified enough for boardrooms?
Now, that is a racist mindset.

Underestimating the competence of black people is the dumbest thing that white people do to themselves. I went to a T14 law schools. The people who thought our black classmates were not qualified and only there because of affirmative action always ended up getting intellectually destroyed by those same classmates in moot court or a class discussion. They had it coming, but it was always painful to watch. Taking people's qualifications for granted is dangerous.

Oh, the things I have done to those with such hubris!

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so one justice did recuse herself from the harvard case because of her being harvard grad but how the others and how about all the justices that are yale grads and love seeing harvard law losing the case

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Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

This exactly.

Keep the Black people out of elite colleges and the boardroom at any costs. But they can keep fighting the wars for the USA.

Are you saying that black people aren't smart enough for elite colleges or qualified enough for boardrooms?
Now, that is a racist mindset.

Underestimating the competence of black people is the dumbest thing that white people do to themselves. I went to a T14 law schools. The people who thought our black classmates were not qualified and only there because of affirmative action always ended up getting intellectually destroyed by those same classmates in moot court or a class discussion. They had it coming, but it was always painful to watch. Taking people's qualifications for granted is dangerous.

Oh, the things I have done to those with such hubris!

That presumption that PP got to T14 on substandard stats is not unfounded. That's what affirmative action does.

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Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

This exactly.

Keep the Black people out of elite colleges and the boardroom at any costs. But they can keep fighting the wars for the USA.

Are you saying that black people aren't smart enough for elite colleges or qualified enough for boardrooms?
Now, that is a racist mindset.

Underestimating the competence of black people is the dumbest thing that white people do to themselves. I went to a T14 law schools. The people who thought our black classmates were not qualified and only there because of affirmative action always ended up getting intellectually destroyed by those same classmates in moot court or a class discussion. They had it coming, but it was always painful to watch. Taking people's qualifications for granted is dangerous.

DH has had some underqualified med students applicants for residents. There was so much pressure to hire a black resident in his sub specialty. They would interview who scored lower than their normal board score cut off and they still could not get a black resident. They also wanted to get a black chairman and failed to find a qualified applicant.

Do you really want a physician who did not meet the bare minimum requirements to get an interview? Would you pick a doctor just because he was black?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

This exactly.

Keep the Black people out of elite colleges and the boardroom at any costs. But they can keep fighting the wars for the USA.

Are you saying that black people aren't smart enough for elite colleges or qualified enough for boardrooms?
Now, that is a racist mindset.

Underestimating the competence of black people is the dumbest thing that white people do to themselves. I went to a T14 law schools. The people who thought our black classmates were not qualified and only there because of affirmative action always ended up getting intellectually destroyed by those same classmates in moot court or a class discussion. They had it coming, but it was always painful to watch. Taking people's qualifications for granted is dangerous.

DH has had some underqualified med students applicants for residents. There was so much pressure to hire a black resident in his sub specialty. They would interview who scored lower than their normal board score cut off and they still could not get a black resident. They also wanted to get a black chairman and failed to find a qualified applicant.

Do you really want a physician who did not meet the bare minimum requirements to get an interview? Would you pick a doctor just because he was black?

+1. Went to an well know medical school and during group projects it was obvious a certain set of medical students were struggling in the courses. It casts a pall on the entire group and you actually need your doctor to be competent.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

This exactly.

Keep the Black people out of elite colleges and the boardroom at any costs. But they can keep fighting the wars for the USA.

Are you saying that black people aren't smart enough for elite colleges or qualified enough for boardrooms?
Now, that is a racist mindset.

Underestimating the competence of black people is the dumbest thing that white people do to themselves. I went to a T14 law schools. The people who thought our black classmates were not qualified and only there because of affirmative action always ended up getting intellectually destroyed by those same classmates in moot court or a class discussion. They had it coming, but it was always painful to watch. Taking people's qualifications for granted is dangerous.

DH has had some underqualified med students applicants for residents. There was so much pressure to hire a black resident in his sub specialty. They would interview who scored lower than their normal board score cut off and they still could not get a black resident. They also wanted to get a black chairman and failed to find a qualified applicant.

Do you really want a physician who did not meet the bare minimum requirements to get an interview? Would you pick a doctor just because he was black?

+1. Went to a well know medical school and during group projects it was obvious a certain set of medical students were struggling in the courses. It casts a pall on the entire group and you actually need your doctor to be competent.

Even the way Biden picked Brown as supreme justice was wrong. She could have been in the running but to straight up ONLY search for a female black justice. I don’t understand how no one objects to this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

You should study and prepare for those major tests like that.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
What is matter with these people??

These tests weren’t originally meant to be taken after the extreme amounts of “prep” that sometimes occurs now. The scores are no longer useful in giving insight into a student’s potential, so colleges are moving away from using them. Scores acquired by extreme prepping practices simply are not that useful in distinguishing one student’s abilities forum another.

The best university in the world MIT disagrees with you after years of research.
Colleges are not moving away. I want to keep it in the name of test optional.

So, MIT has published a study comparing outcomes between students who engaged in extreme prepping practices for the SAT and ACT and those who did not? Do you have a link to that exact study?

You should study and prepare for those major tests such as SAT, MCAT, Bar Exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.
It's expected.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
You just want to walk in without much effort? WTF

SAT is supposed to measure ability to learn, not what you have already learned.

the BAR exam and engineering tests test what you have already learned.

The bar exam indeed is primarily rote memorization.

The SAT intended to test ability once upon a time, but has changed 4+ times over the past 30 years. The current SAT is explicitly intended to measure academic skills, which is not the same thing as ability. College Board has slowly been moving to an achievement-style test for years. (Google CEO David Coleman, CEO of College Board and "architect of the Common Core".) Note that SAT is no longer an acrynym - the letters now stand for nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

This exactly.

Keep the Black people out of elite colleges and the boardroom at any costs. But they can keep fighting the wars for the USA.

Are you saying that black people aren't smart enough for elite colleges or qualified enough for boardrooms?
Now, that is a racist mindset.

Underestimating the competence of black people is the dumbest thing that white people do to themselves. I went to a T14 law schools. The people who thought our black classmates were not qualified and only there because of affirmative action always ended up getting intellectually destroyed by those same classmates in moot court or a class discussion. They had it coming, but it was always painful to watch. Taking people's qualifications for granted is dangerous.

DH has had some underqualified med students applicants for residents. There was so much pressure to hire a black resident in his sub specialty. They would interview who scored lower than their normal board score cut off and they still could not get a black resident. They also wanted to get a black chairman and failed to find a qualified applicant.

Do you really want a physician who did not meet the bare minimum requirements to get an interview? Would you pick a doctor just because he was black?

there was an interesting article in the NYTimes on this, yesterday that I now can't find a link for.

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DH has had some underqualified med students applicants for residents. There was so much pressure to hire a black resident in his sub specialty. They would interview who scored lower than their normal board score cut off and they still could not get a black resident. They also wanted to get a black chairman and failed to find a qualified applicant.

Do you really want a physician who did not meet the bare minimum requirements to get an interview? Would you pick a doctor just because he was black?

wow, you are really underqualified to talk about it, and quite racist actually ... I'm not going to make assumptions about your skin color

first of all, if this is true, it is just your particular experience and what you and your dh understood of it
second, there are significantly fewer AA med grads
third, there are so many incompetent residents and doctors that are not AA, I work in the field
forth, it should never come to wanting specific skin color but if two applicants have comparable qualifications and you want more diversity because it brings something to your hospital, then you should consider hiring the applicant that brings that with her/him

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Even the way Biden picked Brown as supreme justice was wrong. She could have been in the running but to straight up ONLY search for a female black justice. I don’t understand how no one objects to this.

how about all those previous presidents that wanted only white male, racists and misogynists, but the times were like that, that is their excuse, and how about the former very incompetent one that wanted woman but white and very christian

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

DH has had some underqualified med students applicants for residents. There was so much pressure to hire a black resident in his sub specialty. They would interview who scored lower than their normal board score cut off and they still could not get a black resident. They also wanted to get a black chairman and failed to find a qualified applicant.

Do you really want a physician who did not meet the bare minimum requirements to get an interview? Would you pick a doctor just because he was black?

wow, you are really underqualified to talk about it, and quite racist actually ... I'm not going to make assumptions about your skin color

first of all, if this is true, it is just your particular experience and what you and your dh understood of it
second, there are significantly fewer AA med grads
third, there are so many incompetent residents and doctors that are not AA, I work in the field
forth, it should never come to wanting specific skin color but if two applicants have comparable qualifications and you want more diversity because it brings something to your hospital, then you should consider hiring the applicant that brings that with her/him

This racist policy was ruled unconstitutional. Try to keep up.