The White Lotus season 2

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Anonymous wrote:The trip to Sicily was Greg’s idea correct? I could not “see” a young Greg in that framed photo, but I assume it’s him.

Was there a discussion of their prenup in an earlier episode?

I connected the "cowboy" comment but agree I didn't think his picture looked like him. Yes, they discussed the prenup in Epi 2. Tanya encouraged him to quit his job but he pointed out that if the marriage failed he would be left with nothing per the prenup so felt he still needed to work.

Yeah the photo looked nothing like a younger version of Greg. I assume it is though when Tanya said 'wth' when she picked it up. But, I thought that would be enough to shock me out of a drugged daze if I saw my husband photo's in some gay man's lair.

You guys need to pause the episode and pull up a photo of him on your phone or something. It's his picture...

Agree very clearly a young greg

She was too high for the id to click?

What? It definitely clicked.

For us or for Tanya? Because how is the reaction to seeing your husband in a picture in your stranger/host's house when your husband should have NO WAY of knowing your stranger/host to hook up with his hand-picked rentboy/drug/dealer/gun possessor. This is what I think anyone could class as poor decision making.

Maybe gay guys don’t know Greg exists and is coming around the corner soon?

Painting of dagger mad woman illustrates Tanya may not die.

The painting represents Dido's suicide. She killed herself due to heartbreak after Aeneas abandoned her.

On no. Didn’t look that painting up.

Greg or the gays or their real estate are not the thing to kill yourself over but shall see!

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Greg is the wildcard here...where is he and when/how does he re-enter the scene? Maybe the party is a setup for greg to have returned and "valiantly" save her, thereby making Tanya trust him? But she's seen the photo and it "clicked," so either Tanya dies, or Tanya is triumphant (sees through the scheme, ditches Greg, becomes self-actualized). So much of Tanya's trajectory seems wrapped up with never having a sense of herself, and maybe she'll come to find it

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Anonymous wrote:Love how Mike White randomly drops red pills in this season and last season. The British nephew giving some well needed perspective and context to rebuke Portia’s woke prattling about the world falling apart is a prime example.

Yes telling a woke millennial have the quality and safety of life - for all- is at all time human history highs in 2022 was awesome perspective.

wait i didn't catch this part - what happened / what did he say?

It was the first scene after he took Portia out with his “uncle’s” car so that his “uncle” could get Tanya high at the party. They’re drinking overlooking a gorgeous seaside town and Portia is ranting about how the world is falling apart and it’s the worst it’s ever been. The British kid, rightly, calls what she’s saying BS and asks her if she’d rather live in the Dark Ages when people were cutting each other to bits and points around and says the world is pretty good right now. And he’s right. Someone like Portia would be dead by 35 and live an utterly depressing life centuries ago. Yet she’s complaining about how much the world sucks while drinking a cocktail in a beach in Sicily. She had utterly no sense of appreciation or historical context, like a lot of woke kids these days.

I would just like to tell you that you are by far the most tedious thing on this thread. And to be clear, when I made the "valuable perspective" comment my intent was to sarcastically mock people that insist upon thrusting their tedious redpill philosophy into every corner or existence. No one even wants to argue with you. They just want you to go away.

I’m a NP here. Not sure why you are attacking this PP. Their summary describes what the other PP had asked about - what Jack said and Portia’s reaction together with some context. Not extreme or tedious at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Love how Mike White randomly drops red pills in this season and last season. The British nephew giving some well needed perspective and context to rebuke Portia’s woke prattling about the world falling apart is a prime example.

Yes telling a woke millennial have the quality and safety of life - for all- is at all time human history highs in 2022 was awesome perspective.

wait i didn't catch this part - what happened / what did he say?

It was the first scene after he took Portia out with his “uncle’s” car so that his “uncle” could get Tanya high at the party. They’re drinking overlooking a gorgeous seaside town and Portia is ranting about how the world is falling apart and it’s the worst it’s ever been. The British kid, rightly, calls what she’s saying BS and asks her if she’d rather live in the Dark Ages when people were cutting each other to bits and points around and says the world is pretty good right now. And he’s right. Someone like Portia would be dead by 35 and live an utterly depressing life centuries ago. Yet she’s complaining about how much the world sucks while drinking a cocktail in a beach in Sicily. She had utterly no sense of appreciation or historical context, like a lot of woke kids these days.

I would just like to tell you that you are by far the most tedious thing on this thread. And to be clear, when I made the "valuable perspective" comment my intent was to sarcastically mock people that insist upon thrusting their tedious redpill philosophy into every corner or existence. No one even wants to argue with you. They just want you to go away.

You do know that Mike White modeled Olivia’s and Paula’s characters after Dasha and Anna from Red Scare right, because he’s a fan of the pod? Have you ever listened to Red Scare? Listen to an episode and then get back to the thread and post about how I’m inferring a political point that he was making from nothing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/18/style/white-lotus-sydney-sweeney-brittany-ogrady-interview.html

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Anonymous wrote:Greg is the wildcard here...where is he and when/how does he re-enter the scene? Maybe the party is a setup for greg to have returned and "valiantly" save her, thereby making Tanya trust him? But she's seen the photo and it "clicked," so either Tanya dies, or Tanya is triumphant (sees through the scheme, ditches Greg, becomes self-actualized). So much of Tanya's trajectory seems wrapped up with never having a sense of herself, and maybe she'll come to find it

Tanya’s come too far (two Seasons) to be offed so easily. I agree with PP that it’s more likely the women come out on top, given all the disembodied male head imagery.

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Anonymous wrote:Love how Mike White randomly drops red pills in this season and last season. The British nephew giving some well needed perspective and context to rebuke Portia’s woke prattling about the world falling apart is a prime example.

Yes. A valuable perspective from ... a guy that was in such a desperate situation that he drinks himself into oblivion and became a lover for hire for a gay con man.

Believing that certain qualities about a person mean that nothing they say has value or insight is an affliction common in our time and an affliction of great hubris.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting interview with Aubrey Plaza on the Still Watching podcast today.

She says that Harper is not attracted to Cameron at all, he represents pretty much everything she hates, and the more she learns about him the more she dislikes him.

She says that a lot of Harper’s anger at Ethan about the night with Cameron is about how he is behaving so differently with Cameron than he does around her. Like with her he is withdrawn, unadventurous. He won’t even break his routines to have sex with her, he seems so disinterested in her. But with Cameron he’s doing molly and staying up all night? Contrast this with Harper’s night in Noto where, despite taking an edible she remains 100% the same person and is focused on getting home and communicating with Ethan.

Also says she thinks of the show like a 7 hour movie because of how she read the scripts (all at once) and that she is “scared” of the finale.

I agree I think she does see him flirting with her and it just disgusts her further. I think what other people have read as 'flirting back' is more like incredulity that he's giving her eyes in front of Daphne. I see no version of events where they hooked up. But it is telling that in Noto Harper says that Ethan won't cheat on her and is right and even when faced with evidence he did she is skeptical and does seek out his version and I think does believe him although she's angry about the general events that DID happen. In contrast Ethan is faced with this minor moment of her absence and goes full paranoid psycho even though it would be ENTIRELY out of her character to get with Cameron on multiple levels. It just confirms what Harper is already mad about, that Ethan is all about Cameron. He is viewing the entire trip through Cameron's viewpoint not Harper. She is an incidental character in his vacation story. Something she has picked up on but he has not.

The preview for next week makes it seem like something definitely happened.

Frequently it doesn't matter if something happened but whether or not the characters believe it happened. It's a tale as old as Romeo and Juliet. Another tragedy in Italy.

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Anonymous wrote:Love how Mike White randomly drops red pills in this season and last season. The British nephew giving some well needed perspective and context to rebuke Portia’s woke prattling about the world falling apart is a prime example.

Yes. A valuable perspective from ... a guy that was in such a desperate situation that he drinks himself into oblivion and became a lover for hire for a gay con man.

Believing that certain qualities about a person mean that nothing they say has value or insight is an affliction common in our time and an affliction of great hubris.

I think the point of Jack’s soliloquy is that it was a surprise to see deep thoughts coming from a guy who otherwise has been coming across shallow. On the one hand you can see it grab Portia’s attention and she perks up. But on the other hand it forshadows that he is not what he seems.

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Anonymous wrote:Love how Mike White randomly drops red pills in this season and last season. The British nephew giving some well needed perspective and context to rebuke Portia’s woke prattling about the world falling apart is a prime example.

Yes. A valuable perspective from ... a guy that was in such a desperate situation that he drinks himself into oblivion and became a lover for hire for a gay con man.

Believing that certain qualities about a person mean that nothing they say has value or insight is an affliction common in our time and an affliction of great hubris.

I think the point of Jack’s soliloquy is that it was a surprise to see deep thoughts coming from a guy who otherwise has been coming across shallow. On the one hand you can see it grab Portia’s attention and she perks up. But on the other hand it forshadows that he is not what he seems.

It foreshadows that he knows what it means to truly suffer. And it gets to the heart of why Portia is so insufferable - that she is constantly bemoaning her life and the world despite living a life of great opulence and privilege (and yes its not all hers but she's being put up in this hotel in her own room so she clearly gets a lot of perks).

I think a central theme of the show, both seasons, is clearly that great opulence creates blindness to true human suffering and even rich people who 'care' can quickly turn their back on someone struggling if it make them uncomfortable. And the flip side is they are frequently isolated in their own suffering when it does occur, with no one else wanting to interrupt the fantasy to help them.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting interview with Aubrey Plaza on the Still Watching podcast today.

She says that Harper is not attracted to Cameron at all, he represents pretty much everything she hates, and the more she learns about him the more she dislikes him.

She says that a lot of Harper’s anger at Ethan about the night with Cameron is about how he is behaving so differently with Cameron than he does around her. Like with her he is withdrawn, unadventurous. He won’t even break his routines to have sex with her, he seems so disinterested in her. But with Cameron he’s doing molly and staying up all night? Contrast this with Harper’s night in Noto where, despite taking an edible she remains 100% the same person and is focused on getting home and communicating with Ethan.

Also says she thinks of the show like a 7 hour movie because of how she read the scripts (all at once) and that she is “scared” of the finale.

I agree I think she does see him flirting with her and it just disgusts her further. I think what other people have read as 'flirting back' is more like incredulity that he's giving her eyes in front of Daphne. I see no version of events where they hooked up. But it is telling that in Noto Harper says that Ethan won't cheat on her and is right and even when faced with evidence he did she is skeptical and does seek out his version and I think does believe him although she's angry about the general events that DID happen. In contrast Ethan is faced with this minor moment of her absence and goes full paranoid psycho even though it would be ENTIRELY out of her character to get with Cameron on multiple levels. It just confirms what Harper is already mad about, that Ethan is all about Cameron. He is viewing the entire trip through Cameron's viewpoint not Harper. She is an incidental character in his vacation story. Something she has picked up on but he has not.

The preview for next week makes it seem like something definitely happened.

It's so infuriating that Ethan denies Harper physical affection of any kind yet gets insanely jealous of a hint of Cameron flirting. Harper is the pawn and it's about time she made a move.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting interview with Aubrey Plaza on the Still Watching podcast today.

She says that Harper is not attracted to Cameron at all, he represents pretty much everything she hates, and the more she learns about him the more she dislikes him.

She says that a lot of Harper’s anger at Ethan about the night with Cameron is about how he is behaving so differently with Cameron than he does around her. Like with her he is withdrawn, unadventurous. He won’t even break his routines to have sex with her, he seems so disinterested in her. But with Cameron he’s doing molly and staying up all night? Contrast this with Harper’s night in Noto where, despite taking an edible she remains 100% the same person and is focused on getting home and communicating with Ethan.

Also says she thinks of the show like a 7 hour movie because of how she read the scripts (all at once) and that she is “scared” of the finale.

I agree I think she does see him flirting with her and it just disgusts her further. I think what other people have read as 'flirting back' is more like incredulity that he's giving her eyes in front of Daphne. I see no version of events where they hooked up. But it is telling that in Noto Harper says that Ethan won't cheat on her and is right and even when faced with evidence he did she is skeptical and does seek out his version and I think does believe him although she's angry about the general events that DID happen. In contrast Ethan is faced with this minor moment of her absence and goes full paranoid psycho even though it would be ENTIRELY out of her character to get with Cameron on multiple levels. It just confirms what Harper is already mad about, that Ethan is all about Cameron. He is viewing the entire trip through Cameron's viewpoint not Harper. She is an incidental character in his vacation story. Something she has picked up on but he has not.

The preview for next week makes it seem like something definitely happened.

It's so infuriating that Ethan denies Harper physical affection of any kind yet gets insanely jealous of a hint of Cameron flirting. Harper is the pawn and it's about time she made a move.

Their relationship is dead, do not resuscitate. In the end, the contrast with Daphne and Cameron's highly problematic but also affectionate and loving relationship is instructive and will help her make the necessary break. If he doesn't end up dead first.

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Anonymous wrote:Love how Mike White randomly drops red pills in this season and last season. The British nephew giving some well needed perspective and context to rebuke Portia’s woke prattling about the world falling apart is a prime example.

Yes telling a woke millennial that the quality and safety of life - for all- is at all-time human history highs in 2022 was awesome perspective.

wait i didn't catch this part - what happened / what did he say?

I think they’re outside and he’s drunk and suddenly says this. He’s talking about Roman ages, nailing people to crosses to fry in the sun, Barbarians, burning witches— how far humans have come. And her she is complaining that the world is ending because of people.

Yes, the old "things were worse in the past, so therefore you can't complain about or try to change anything about the present!" A close cousin of "you think there's sexism in the West? Why don't you go live in Saudi Arabia then! Women have it great!"

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Anonymous wrote:The trip to Sicily was Greg’s idea correct? I could not “see” a young Greg in that framed photo, but I assume it’s him.

Was there a discussion of their prenup in an earlier episode?

I connected the "cowboy" comment but agree I didn't think his picture looked like him. Yes, they discussed the prenup in Epi 2. Tanya encouraged him to quit his job but he pointed out that if the marriage failed he would be left with nothing per the prenup so felt he still needed to work.

Yeah the photo looked nothing like a younger version of Greg. I assume it is though when Tanya said 'wth' when she picked it up. But, I thought that would be enough to shock me out of a drugged daze if I saw my husband photo's in some gay man's lair.

You guys need to pause the episode and pull up a photo of him on your phone or something. It's his picture...

Agree very clearly a young greg

She was too high for the id to click?

What? It definitely clicked.

She’s processing slowly and then will stop big dik drug agent guy and wreak havoc on the party.

I think it clicked but she isn't going to NOT get with the super hot italian guy. She's also done a ton of coke at that point. Even if it clicked the full ramifications may not sink in until she sobers up. But what it will mean is that she isn't going to be able to be blackmailed by the gays (I think the plan is that they tell her they have incriminating info, she needs to pay them off, and they intend to split the money with Greg). But all these men have underestimated her, Greg still thinks he has her wrapped around his little finger but she has said quite a bit to imply she's already over him. Tanya does what she wants. That's that. All seeing that picture gave her was an advantage on seeing through the leverage they think they have.

I think she might be willing to pay them off to keep Greg from finding out about the hookup. She was really upset about the idea that he might be cheating on her/not in love with her. She is deeply insecure and him leaving her would be a blow. Of course, that assumes that Greg isn't in on it (or that she doesn't figure out he's in on it).

But Greg must be in on it, right? Has anyone looked back at EP. 1 to see why they decided to go to Sicily in the first place? Quentin knows Greg was at White Lotus, so it seems likely that they were planning something together.

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Anonymous wrote:Love how Mike White randomly drops red pills in this season and last season. The British nephew giving some well needed perspective and context to rebuke Portia’s woke prattling about the world falling apart is a prime example.

Yes telling a woke millennial have the quality and safety of life - for all- is at all time human history highs in 2022 was awesome perspective.

Quibble: Portia is very much not a millennial. Millennials are like 40 now (see the Ethan/Harper/Cam/Daphne group). Portia and Albie are very much Gen Z.

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Anyone else catch Portia wearing the godfather t shirt?