Boundary Review Meetings

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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

From last night's meeting:

Centerville had three split feeders (Bull Run, Powell ES and Union). They fixes ZERO of these split feeders
Robinson had one split feeder (Oak View). They DID NOT fix this split feeder.

Why are they 'fixing' some split feeders and not others? This was never about fixing split feeders.

Because this map version is highly focused on feedback from the BRAC. The Thru guy at the meeting last night made that very clear. He didn't sound happy about it either.

I can see why- it seems like THRU was a massive waste of time and money. Most of their suggestions were reversed and now we're going with a low fewer minor changes made by someone else (BRAC).

The whole process was never going to work because people are fiercely opposed to having their houses moved to school pyramids with more poor kids. And the loudest people almost always win.

Sure, there are some like that--but mostly people just want to stay where they are.

I find that the loudest voices on here, Facebook, Nextdoor, and elsewhere are retirees with nothing better to do complaining about anything that costs money and trying to protect their property values from perceived threats.

Maybe but they aren't the ones who ended up on the BRAC to roll back so much of what previously proposed.

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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

From last night's meeting:

Centerville had three split feeders (Bull Run, Powell ES and Union). They fixes ZERO of these split feeders
Robinson had one split feeder (Oak View). They DID NOT fix this split feeder.

Why are they 'fixing' some split feeders and not others? This was never about fixing split feeders.

Because this map version is highly focused on feedback from the BRAC. The Thru guy at the meeting last night made that very clear. He didn't sound happy about it either.

I can see why- it seems like THRU was a massive waste of time and money. Most of their suggestions were reversed and now we're going with a low fewer minor changes made by someone else (BRAC).

The whole process was never going to work because people are fiercely opposed to having their houses moved to school pyramids with more poor kids. And the loudest people almost always win.

I think they could have done some bolder things if the School Board had told Reid they’d have her back and Thru actually knew what they were doing. But from the start they were focusing on relatively minor adjustments with a view towards moving as few kids as possible to achieve specific objectives of no great significance. It was anything but “the great reset” some thought might happen.

Then the Thru maps came out in May and June with so many obvious problems and they’ve been back-peddling ever since. It’s not clear if anyone has the courage to ask if the juice is even still worth the squeeze but this has been a fiasco.

Totally agree with this. You can’t claim this is a comprehensive review that you are doing for the first time in 40 years but then try to make it as minimally disruptive as possible. Then you are just playing with the fringes and the same communities who have been moved multiple times in the past end up getting moved again, so naturally they are going to fight back. If they were serious about comprehensive changes they needed to do a a lot more to resolve school boundaries, but that would’ve meant everyone had skin in the game which Reid and the SB wanted to avoid.

What is, “GPT, write me a sour grapes post.”

[Anonymous]

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I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

From last night's meeting:

Centerville had three split feeders (Bull Run, Powell ES and Union). They fixes ZERO of these split feeders
Robinson had one split feeder (Oak View). They DID NOT fix this split feeder.

Why are they 'fixing' some split feeders and not others? This was never about fixing split feeders.

Because this map version is highly focused on feedback from the BRAC. The Thru guy at the meeting last night made that very clear. He didn't sound happy about it either.

I can see why- it seems like THRU was a massive waste of time and money. Most of their suggestions were reversed and now we're going with a low fewer minor changes made by someone else (BRAC).

The whole process was never going to work because people are fiercely opposed to having their houses moved to school pyramids with more poor kids. And the loudest people almost always win.

Sure, there are some like that--but mostly people just want to stay where they are.

I find that the loudest voices on here, Facebook, Nextdoor, and elsewhere are retirees with nothing better to do complaining about anything that costs money and trying to protect their property values from perceived threats.

I find the loudest people on here are named Vanessa and Sandy, and also a few people that are employed by Gatehouse hypocritically fighting to protect their own kids’ schools while pushing to screw over other families in a grand equity-based social experiment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

From last night's meeting:

Centerville had three split feeders (Bull Run, Powell ES and Union). They fixes ZERO of these split feeders
Robinson had one split feeder (Oak View). They DID NOT fix this split feeder.

Why are they 'fixing' some split feeders and not others? This was never about fixing split feeders.

Because this map version is highly focused on feedback from the BRAC. The Thru guy at the meeting last night made that very clear. He didn't sound happy about it either.

I can see why- it seems like THRU was a massive waste of time and money. Most of their suggestions were reversed and now we're going with a low fewer minor changes made by someone else (BRAC).

The whole process was never going to work because people are fiercely opposed to having their houses moved to school pyramids with more poor kids. And the loudest people almost always win.

I think they could have done some bolder things if the School Board had told Reid they’d have her back and Thru actually knew what they were doing. But from the start they were focusing on relatively minor adjustments with a view towards moving as few kids as possible to achieve specific objectives of no great significance. It was anything but “the great reset” some thought might happen.

Then the Thru maps came out in May and June with so many obvious problems and they’ve been back-peddling ever since. It’s not clear if anyone has the courage to ask if the juice is even still worth the squeeze but this has been a fiasco.

Totally agree with this. You can’t claim this is a comprehensive review that you are doing for the first time in 40 years but then try to make it as minimally disruptive as possible. Then you are just playing with the fringes and the same communities who have been moved multiple times in the past end up getting moved again, so naturally they are going to fight back. If they were serious about comprehensive changes they needed to do a a lot more to resolve school boundaries, but that would’ve meant everyone had skin in the game which Reid and the SB wanted to avoid.

+1. They aimed low and still managed not to meet expectations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

From last night's meeting:

Centerville had three split feeders (Bull Run, Powell ES and Union). They fixes ZERO of these split feeders
Robinson had one split feeder (Oak View). They DID NOT fix this split feeder.

Why are they 'fixing' some split feeders and not others? This was never about fixing split feeders.

Because this map version is highly focused on feedback from the BRAC. The Thru guy at the meeting last night made that very clear. He didn't sound happy about it either.

I can see why- it seems like THRU was a massive waste of time and money. Most of their suggestions were reversed and now we're going with a low fewer minor changes made by someone else (BRAC).

The whole process was never going to work because people are fiercely opposed to having their houses moved to school pyramids with more poor kids. And the loudest people almost always win.

Dr. Ricardi Anderson pointed out the REAL reason this wasn’t going to work from teh get go and that was because they didn’t include Grandfathering in the original policy. It was “left out” by the Governance committee(lead by Sizemore). I fought tooth and nail anything they had to say from that point on because it was so very obvious they weren’t thinking about children and children’s needs from that moment on.
Dr. Anderson fought for parents and kids and just how much harder this process was going to be if they didn’t provide for Grandfathering. Yes, the finally put it in a year plus after they started the process, but they could have had a lot more support if people weren’t thinking their high schoolers were going to be ripped out of their schools in the middle of their high school career.
They tried ramming this through, not understanding the huge PR they needed to do to get people on their side. T
On top of that, they weren’t even able to articulate a strong reason for doing this entire thing. They never defined the problem sufficiently enough to get support FOR redistricting. They never had a campaign about smaller school sizes and how kids can benefit, or articulated how they could rebalance and ensure special programs had room

The entire thing has been a fight for them because they were unable to define the issues in a way that gave parent buy in.

Grandfathering of high school students is why I got involved. It won't affect any of my kids... they are too old.

But it made me furious that the school board, especially our rep, would be so smug and indifferent to the disruption of moving high school students mid career.

The comment that it would make kids "resilient" to get moved during high school, as a response to military kids getting rezoned, is what pushed me to get involved, for my neighbors kids and all of the fcps high school students.

I and my neighbors who have older kids, some out of high school, got very involved and very organized after that "resilience" comment and school board choice to not listen to Ricardy Andersen and grandfather high school students.

We will see this to the end to make sure as few high school students as possible are rezoned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I doubt the whole Oak Hill would go to KAA. But maybe Emerald Chase goes to South Lakes and the rest of Oak Hill go to KAA.

Remember currently Emerald Chase kids (and Bradley Farm kids south of West Ox) go to Westfield. Moving them to KAA won’t give relief to Chantilly.

I don't take it for granted that Thru and the school board will do what makes sense, but what makes sense is to send Emerald Chase to KAA with the rest of Oak Hill in order to keep pyramids aligned (and, assuming the Franklin Middle School kids get redistricted for Carson, to eliminate a split feeder).

I agree. The school board has an opportunity to build an actual school pyramid with no split feeders with just making a few changes. I hope they don’t find a way to screw that up.

From last night's meeting:

Centerville had three split feeders (Bull Run, Powell ES and Union). They fixes ZERO of these split feeders
Robinson had one split feeder (Oak View). They DID NOT fix this split feeder.

Why are they 'fixing' some split feeders and not others? This was never about fixing split feeders.

Because this map version is highly focused on feedback from the BRAC. The Thru guy at the meeting last night made that very clear. He didn't sound happy about it either.

I can see why- it seems like THRU was a massive waste of time and money. Most of their suggestions were reversed and now we're going with a low fewer minor changes made by someone else (BRAC).

The whole process was never going to work because people are fiercely opposed to having their houses moved to school pyramids with more poor kids. And the loudest people almost always win.

Dr. Ricardi Anderson pointed out the REAL reason this wasn’t going to work from teh get go and that was because they didn’t include Grandfathering in the original policy. It was “left out” by the Governance committee(lead by Sizemore). I fought tooth and nail anything they had to say from that point on because it was so very obvious they weren’t thinking about children and children’s needs from that moment on.
Dr. Anderson fought for parents and kids and just how much harder this process was going to be if they didn’t provide for Grandfathering. Yes, the finally put it in a year plus after they started the process, but they could have had a lot more support if people weren’t thinking their high schoolers were going to be ripped out of their schools in the middle of their high school career.
They tried ramming this through, not understanding the huge PR they needed to do to get people on their side. T
On top of that, they weren’t even able to articulate a strong reason for doing this entire thing. They never defined the problem sufficiently enough to get support FOR redistricting. They never had a campaign about smaller school sizes and how kids can benefit, or articulated how they could rebalance and ensure special programs had room

The entire thing has been a fight for them because they were unable to define the issues in a way that gave parent buy in.

Grandfathering of high school students is why I got involved. It won't affect any of my kids... they are too old.

But it made me furious that the school board, especially our rep, would be so smug and indifferent to the disruption of moving high school students mid career.

The comment that it would make kids "resilient" to get moved during high school, as a response to military kids getting rezoned, is what pushed me to get involved, for my neighbors kids and all of the fcps high school students.

I and my neighbors who have older kids, some out of high school, got very involved and very organized after that "resilience" comment and school board choice to not listen to Ricardy Andersen and grandfather high school students.

We will see this to the end to make sure as few high school students as possible are rezoned.

Edited to add that it would have affected one of my kids but won't now.

[Anonymous]

The comment that it would make kids "resilient" to get moved during high school, as a response to military kids getting rezoned, is what pushed me to get involved, for my neighbors kids and all of the fcps high school students.

Gee. I didn't see that comment earlier.

I taught military kids for a number of years in a DOD school. Yes, they do develop resilience, but when they are in a Dod school all are in the same boat and adjustments are made and understood by the teachers.

I know many, many military who took unaccompanied tours in order for their kids to stay in the same high school for four years. Some even retired in order to give their kids consistency.

High school is different.

[Anonymous]

How do we give feedback on this latest proposal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do we give feedback on this latest proposal?

Thru said to leave comments through the boundary tool

[Anonymous]

did anyone listen to or go to the south lakes herndon meeting tonight

[Anonymous]

Yes listened to the meeting. Dr. Reid stated they didn’t want to do too much this round so they focused on overcrowded schools. Which does not make sense. We have spent a lot on the review, they should have just done the overly crowded schools and not call it a comprehensive review.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes listened to the meeting. Dr. Reid stated they didn’t want to do too much this round so they focused on overcrowded schools. Which does not make sense. We have spent a lot on the review, they should have just done the overly crowded schools and not call it a comprehensive review.

She should have said:

* We focused on attendance islands and split feeders unless there was opposition, in which case we folded; and

* We focused on overcrowded schools, although in some cases we've made the overcrowding worse for now but that could change with KAA proposals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes listened to the meeting. Dr. Reid stated they didn’t want to do too much this round so they focused on overcrowded schools. Which does not make sense. We have spent a lot on the review, they should have just done the overly crowded schools and not call it a comprehensive review.

She should have said:

* We focused on attendance islands and split feeders unless there was opposition, in which case we folded; and

* We focused on overcrowded schools, although in some cases we've made the overcrowding worse for now but that could change with KAA proposals.

For your first bullet, you meant:

* We focused on attendance islands and split feeders unless there was opposition, in which case we listened to our constituents who opposed moving their kids for no good reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes listened to the meeting. Dr. Reid stated they didn’t want to do too much this round so they focused on overcrowded schools. Which does not make sense. We have spent a lot on the review, they should have just done the overly crowded schools and not call it a comprehensive review.

This doesn't give with the plan for WSHS.

[Anonymous]

Did she say anything about KAA? When is the Chantilly/Westfield mtg? I'm going to Oakton/Langley tomorrow but I'm sure they won't talk about it there.