Hayfield Football Coach Fired

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Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.

The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.

Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this

Not correct for recruiting. Someone posted the actual rule above and it gives specifics. Above is lot correct.

PP who mentioned the letter here. My guess is VHSL doesn't have enough concrete evidence to pin this on one person or a group of people, except administration as a whole, and therefore is only calling out the school. Their biggest criticism seems to be that the school didn't shut down the transfers before it got excessive.

They will have a lot of specific evidence that they shared with the school. They don't make that public. It may be gettable via a FOIA to the school.

All these ppl in here, if they really had something it would of “leaked”they don’t n this whole thing is a farce

Nonsense. The VHSL doesn't share details like this publicly. Do a FOIA request if you want to see all the evidence. If it didn't make fcps look bad, they would have already released it.

When they got involved they made FCPS look bad, why stop now. If u have evidence to prove anything other than what FCPS said, let it be known they didn’t. Bottom line is they didn’t stop kids from coming into the school, (they couldn’t) but because it left the other school undermanned it’s made to be that the coach or others on staff had to have “influenced” them to transfer, but again NO real proof just circumstantial that one was caused by the other. But as a coach you leave at end of season and because folks want to go where you are, he’s held liable. Long story short the kids are being penalized for their LOYALTY to him

So all the kids came up with the idea of declaring themselves homeless on their own and organized their own van for pickups and drop offs to Woodbridge?

Did the VHSL say that?

Yes, VHSL was provided photos that showed the kids getting into transportation at Hayfield and that same transportation dropping them off in Woodbridge to their parents. Pretty sure they won't publish images of minors.

Now wait a minute someone lying egregiously now, because in one post VHSL doesn’t comment on things and u need a FOIA, and now all of a sudden they released pics of situations occurring. Make it make sense, but yet again eligibility wasn’t the issue. Yall folks better stop talking in circles. Some people read to comprehend not just respond. Gets ur lies together.

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Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.

The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.

Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this

Not correct for recruiting. Someone posted the actual rule above and it gives specifics. Above is lot correct.

PP who mentioned the letter here. My guess is VHSL doesn't have enough concrete evidence to pin this on one person or a group of people, except administration as a whole, and therefore is only calling out the school. Their biggest criticism seems to be that the school didn't shut down the transfers before it got excessive.

They will have a lot of specific evidence that they shared with the school. They don't make that public. It may be gettable via a FOIA to the school.

All these ppl in here, if they really had something it would of “leaked”they don’t n this whole thing is a farce

Nonsense. The VHSL doesn't share details like this publicly. Do a FOIA request if you want to see all the evidence. If it didn't make fcps look bad, they would have already released it.

When they got involved they made FCPS look bad, why stop now. If u have evidence to prove anything other than what FCPS said, let it be known they didn’t. Bottom line is they didn’t stop kids from coming into the school, (they couldn’t) but because it left the other school undermanned it’s made to be that the coach or others on staff had to have “influenced” them to transfer, but again NO real proof just circumstantial that one was caused by the other. But as a coach you leave at end of season and because folks want to go where you are, he’s held liable. Long story short the kids are being penalized for their LOYALTY to him

What deflection and insanity. High school football isn’t about loyalty to the coach. None of this is about loyalty to the coach. That is so screwed up and you Overton minions can’t even see it. You’re all too ignorant to understand how screwed up this is. You’re just obsessed with your false belief that your kid will be in the nfl. You don’t care how unfair this cheating is. You just see a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow that doesn’t exist.

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Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.

The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.

Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this

Not correct for recruiting. Someone posted the actual rule above and it gives specifics. Above is lot correct.

PP who mentioned the letter here. My guess is VHSL doesn't have enough concrete evidence to pin this on one person or a group of people, except administration as a whole, and therefore is only calling out the school. Their biggest criticism seems to be that the school didn't shut down the transfers before it got excessive.

They will have a lot of specific evidence that they shared with the school. They don't make that public. It may be gettable via a FOIA to the school.

All these ppl in here, if they really had something it would of “leaked”they don’t n this whole thing is a farce

Nonsense. The VHSL doesn't share details like this publicly. Do a FOIA request if you want to see all the evidence. If it didn't make fcps look bad, they would have already released it.

When they got involved they made FCPS look bad, why stop now. If u have evidence to prove anything other than what FCPS said, let it be known they didn’t. Bottom line is they didn’t stop kids from coming into the school, (they couldn’t) but because it left the other school undermanned it’s made to be that the coach or others on staff had to have “influenced” them to transfer, but again NO real proof just circumstantial that one was caused by the other. But as a coach you leave at end of season and because folks want to go where you are, he’s held liable. Long story short the kids are being penalized for their LOYALTY to him

All the kids didn’t even go to Hayfield. Are the other schools the players transferred to being investigated or banned also?

Now they won’t talk about this, will they. The kids mom that initiated all this went to South County and played football, why not Edison or Justice? If it fits their narrative it’s conducive to being allowed

The way you keep trying to blame this on one mom who spoke up is sick. Utterly sick. Many people including teachers and administrators spoke up.

You keep dishonestly twisting things to paint this in a way to deflect from the facts

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I'm so confused how so many adults are so invested in this. It's over. Why is this thread still going? Hayfield is out this postseason and next postseason. FCPS looks crazy. Hayfield looks crazy. Yet, the team can still play football during regular season. Scouts can still look at them play. They can still be recruited. No scout cares about a District or State Championship. Everyone with an interest here wins.

Anti-Hayfield - postseasons gone until 2026; FCPS looks bad, Hayfield admin looks bad; rando kid who complained got to play at SoCo

Pro-Hayfield - football team still plays during regular season and can get their stats up to be recruited for college; no one is banned from playing the sport they love; Overton can keep his job (if he even still wants it)

The End. Can this post die already!!!

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Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.

The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.

Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this

Not correct for recruiting. Someone posted the actual rule above and it gives specifics. Above is lot correct.

PP who mentioned the letter here. My guess is VHSL doesn't have enough concrete evidence to pin this on one person or a group of people, except administration as a whole, and therefore is only calling out the school. Their biggest criticism seems to be that the school didn't shut down the transfers before it got excessive.

They will have a lot of specific evidence that they shared with the school. They don't make that public. It may be gettable via a FOIA to the school.

All these ppl in here, if they really had something it would of “leaked”they don’t n this whole thing is a farce

Nonsense. The VHSL doesn't share details like this publicly. Do a FOIA request if you want to see all the evidence. If it didn't make fcps look bad, they would have already released it.

When they got involved they made FCPS look bad, why stop now. If u have evidence to prove anything other than what FCPS said, let it be known they didn’t. Bottom line is they didn’t stop kids from coming into the school, (they couldn’t) but because it left the other school undermanned it’s made to be that the coach or others on staff had to have “influenced” them to transfer, but again NO real proof just circumstantial that one was caused by the other. But as a coach you leave at end of season and because folks want to go where you are, he’s held liable. Long story short the kids are being penalized for their LOYALTY to him

What deflection and insanity. High school football isn’t about loyalty to the coach. None of this is about loyalty to the coach. That is so screwed up and you Overton minions can’t even see it. You’re all too ignorant to understand how screwed up this is. You’re just obsessed with your false belief that your kid will be in the nfl. You don’t care how unfair this cheating is. You just see a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow that doesn’t exist.

First off I have no dog in the fight my kids are both out of high school and both college educated with degrees, tyvm. Who are YOU to say what HS football is to someone else. To someone else that could be their only way out, you never know. Apparently it is about loyalty to the coach because otherwise this wouldn’t be an issue, now would it. Other people are upset because new people left there old school to go to where the old coach has just been hired as a new one. Can your condescending brain continue to follow. The old kids who thought they were entitled to a spot or position no longer have that comfort because new or better kids are in their
place( sounds like entitlement to me), and your about participation trophies for everyone vs winning, it’s written all over ur thoughts.

Riddle me this Mr we/I are so ignorant. If you leave ur current job as a dept head, and people under you leave with you, was that not their choice or is it your fault that you moved n they chose to follow. Do you say stay at your old position and deal with it because I care so much for where I’m leaving. Ignorance is the words you spew. Ignorance is me saying something along the lines of I bet you like the color RED you

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Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.

The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.

Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this

Not correct for recruiting. Someone posted the actual rule above and it gives specifics. Above is lot correct.

PP who mentioned the letter here. My guess is VHSL doesn't have enough concrete evidence to pin this on one person or a group of people, except administration as a whole, and therefore is only calling out the school. Their biggest criticism seems to be that the school didn't shut down the transfers before it got excessive.

They will have a lot of specific evidence that they shared with the school. They don't make that public. It may be gettable via a FOIA to the school.

All these ppl in here, if they really had something it would of “leaked”they don’t n this whole thing is a farce

Nonsense. The VHSL doesn't share details like this publicly. Do a FOIA request if you want to see all the evidence. If it didn't make fcps look bad, they would have already released it.

When they got involved they made FCPS look bad, why stop now. If u have evidence to prove anything other than what FCPS said, let it be known they didn’t. Bottom line is they didn’t stop kids from coming into the school, (they couldn’t) but because it left the other school undermanned it’s made to be that the coach or others on staff had to have “influenced” them to transfer, but again NO real proof just circumstantial that one was caused by the other. But as a coach you leave at end of season and because folks want to go where you are, he’s held liable. Long story short the kids are being penalized for their LOYALTY to him

All the kids didn’t even go to Hayfield. Are the other schools the players transferred to being investigated or banned also?

Now they won’t talk about this, will they. The kids mom that initiated all this went to South County and played football, why not Edison or Justice? If it fits their narrative it’s conducive to being allowed

The way you keep trying to blame this on one mom who spoke up is sick. Utterly sick. Many people including teachers and administrators spoke up.

You keep dishonestly twisting things to paint this in a way to deflect from the facts

Nahh, the facts will be the facts always, but what you’re saying is my points are valid and if we just jump off the bridge because everyone else jumps it’s all ok. I believe in stand for something or fall for anything. This whole thing from top to bottom stinks. NOBODY wins from Overton to FCPS to VHSL. This is about the kids right, the kids did what they did on the field, so you take that away as a form of punishment. Yes pls make it make sense

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so confused how so many adults are so invested in this. It's over. Why is this thread still going? Hayfield is out this postseason and next postseason. FCPS looks crazy. Hayfield looks crazy. Yet, the team can still play football during regular season. Scouts can still look at them play. They can still be recruited. No scout cares about a District or State Championship. Everyone with an interest here wins.

Anti-Hayfield - postseasons gone until 2026; FCPS looks bad, Hayfield admin looks bad; rando kid who complained got to play at SoCo

Pro-Hayfield - football team still plays during regular season and can get their stats up to be recruited for college; no one is banned from playing the sport they love; Overton can keep his job (if he even still wants it)

The End. Can this post die already!!!

It brief’s really well, but names and images are tarnished and if you care about that, then it means something. Why has one person been targeted SO much, is it because he’s good at what he does it it because he’s better than others. But yet it’s like the police, they throw a million charges at you only to try and get one to stick knowing the others are just window dressing and stuff to talk about.
Otherwise, you make a valid point.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so confused how so many adults are so invested in this. It's over. Why is this thread still going? Hayfield is out this postseason and next postseason. FCPS looks crazy. Hayfield looks crazy. Yet, the team can still play football during regular season. Scouts can still look at them play. They can still be recruited. No scout cares about a District or State Championship. Everyone with an interest here wins.

Anti-Hayfield - postseasons gone until 2026; FCPS looks bad, Hayfield admin looks bad; rando kid who complained got to play at SoCo

Pro-Hayfield - football team still plays during regular season and can get their stats up to be recruited for college; no one is banned from playing the sport they love; Overton can keep his job (if he even still wants it)

The End. Can this post die already!!!

You play to win, not just participate, why the two years of it was just about this years incompetence.

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The one Overton poster on here writes just like that creeper "apostle" Karen writes on social
Media. Barely comprehensible.

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Anonymous wrote:So the Coach is still employed by FCPS even though he cheated so wildly that he got his team banned for two years?

Why do you keep saying the coach cheated? The VHSL never said he did any such thing.

The VHSL letter calls out the Hayfield administration and Hayfield as a school as the actors behind the cheating, rather than the coach.

However it's hard to say that someone at Hayfield without connections to Freedom would have been recruiting those players, right? And that's what proselytizing is in this case - overeager recruiting.

Nope, you are conflating multiple issues.

Recruiting Violation: only the coach can be found guilty of this for obvious reasons.

Sportsmanship/"Spirit of VHSL" Violation: coach AND Hayfield admin were guilty of this

Not correct for recruiting. Someone posted the actual rule above and it gives specifics. Above is lot correct.

PP who mentioned the letter here. My guess is VHSL doesn't have enough concrete evidence to pin this on one person or a group of people, except administration as a whole, and therefore is only calling out the school. Their biggest criticism seems to be that the school didn't shut down the transfers before it got excessive.

They will have a lot of specific evidence that they shared with the school. They don't make that public. It may be gettable via a FOIA to the school.

All these ppl in here, if they really had something it would of “leaked”they don’t n this whole thing is a farce

Nonsense. The VHSL doesn't share details like this publicly. Do a FOIA request if you want to see all the evidence. If it didn't make fcps look bad, they would have already released it.

When they got involved they made FCPS look bad, why stop now. If u have evidence to prove anything other than what FCPS said, let it be known they didn’t. Bottom line is they didn’t stop kids from coming into the school, (they couldn’t) but because it left the other school undermanned it’s made to be that the coach or others on staff had to have “influenced” them to transfer, but again NO real proof just circumstantial that one was caused by the other. But as a coach you leave at end of season and because folks want to go where you are, he’s held liable. Long story short the kids are being penalized for their LOYALTY to him

What deflection and insanity. High school football isn’t about loyalty to the coach. None of this is about loyalty to the coach. That is so screwed up and you Overton minions can’t even see it. You’re all too ignorant to understand how screwed up this is. You’re just obsessed with your false belief that your kid will be in the nfl. You don’t care how unfair this cheating is. You just see a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow that doesn’t exist.

First off I have no dog in the fight my kids are both out of high school and both college educated with degrees, tyvm. Who are YOU to say what HS football is to someone else. To someone else that could be their only way out, you never know. Apparently it is about loyalty to the coach because otherwise this wouldn’t be an issue, now would it. Other people are upset because new people left there old school to go to where the old coach has just been hired as a new one. Can your condescending brain continue to follow. The old kids who thought they were entitled to a spot or position no longer have that comfort because new or better kids are in their
place( sounds like entitlement to me), and your about participation trophies for everyone vs winning, it’s written all over ur thoughts.

Riddle me this Mr we/I are so ignorant. If you leave ur current job as a dept head, and people under you leave with you, was that not their choice or is it your fault that you moved n they chose to follow. Do you say stay at your old position and deal with it because I care so much for where I’m leaving. Ignorance is the words you spew. Ignorance is me saying something along the lines of I bet you like the color RED you

Cult Karen's kids are both out of high school. Good call.

Why are you lurking around high school boys, Karen?

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Riddle me this Mr we/I are so ignorant. If you leave ur current job as a dept head, and people under you leave with you, was that not their choice or is it your fault that you moved n they chose to follow. Do you say stay at your old position and deal with it because I care so much for where I’m leaving. Ignorance is the words you spew. Ignorance is me saying something along the lines of I bet you like the color RED you

It’s absolutely your fault if they move and you had a non-compete. People get sued all the time over recruiting employees. The ones that do it make darn sure they are squeaky clean.

Similarly, VHSL rule 27-9 says no proselytizing. That means
(1) Being asked to move by a member of the school faculty.
(2) Being asked to move by a booster organization or a member of such an organization.
(3) Being given tuition, free text books, allowance for transportation or consideration not afforded other students, athletic or nonathletic.
(4) Any other evidence that a transfer or enrollment was made because of athletic ability.

There are multiple parents that have flat out confessed to #4 on Facebook or the YouTube interview. Those parents say they moved their kid because their kid refused to play for anyone other than Overton because they’ve been with him since the son was 8 years old. That’s a #4 violation. You don’t need text messages, pictures of shuttle vans or anything else. The parents confessed to a #4 violation.

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Riddle me this Mr we/I are so ignorant. If you leave ur current job as a dept head, and people under you leave with you, was that not their choice or is it your fault that you moved n they chose to follow. Do you say stay at your old position and deal with it because I care so much for where I’m leaving. Ignorance is the words you spew. Ignorance is me saying something along the lines of I bet you like the color RED you

It’s absolutely your fault if they move and you had a non-compete. People get sued all the time over recruiting employees. The ones that do it make darn sure they are squeaky clean.

Similarly, VHSL rule 27-9 says no proselytizing. That means
(1) Being asked to move by a member of the school faculty.
(2) Being asked to move by a booster organization or a member of such an organization.
(3) Being given tuition, free text books, allowance for transportation or consideration not afforded other students, athletic or nonathletic.
(4) Any other evidence that a transfer or enrollment was made because of athletic ability.

There are multiple parents that have flat out confessed to #4 on Facebook or the YouTube interview. Those parents say they moved their kid because their kid refused to play for anyone other than Overton because they’ve been with him since the son was 8 years old. That’s a #4 violation. You don’t need text messages, pictures of shuttle vans or anything else. The parents confessed to a #4 violation.

Exactly this. Can people please stop saying VHSL said Hayfield didn't break any rules?!?!? They explicitly stated that Hayfield explicitly broke the Proselytizing rule. Per this rule, you cannot follow your coach to another school to play football. 14 kids did that. Social Media posts from Hayfield parents and backers have confirmed this for the past 4-6 months. Shoot, the comments in here are stating, 'Why can't these kids follow their coach if they want to?' BECAUSE IT IS AGAINST THIS RULE. No other rules need to be added to the VHSL handbook, it was/is in there!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm so confused how so many adults are so invested in this. It's over. Why is this thread still going? Hayfield is out this postseason and next postseason. FCPS looks crazy. Hayfield looks crazy. Yet, the team can still play football during regular season. Scouts can still look at them play. They can still be recruited. No scout cares about a District or State Championship. Everyone with an interest here wins.

Anti-Hayfield - postseasons gone until 2026; FCPS looks bad, Hayfield admin looks bad; rando kid who complained got to play at SoCo

Pro-Hayfield - football team still plays during regular season and can get their stats up to be recruited for college; no one is banned from playing the sport they love; Overton can keep his job (if he even still wants it)

The End. Can this post die already!!!

You play to win, not just participate, why the two years of it was just about this years incompetence.

I don’t agree that playing the regular season provides the film and the stats for scholarship opportunities. Given Hayfield’s weak schedule (save for Riverdale Baptist) film is not as valuable as it could be given the level of competition. Some athletes would benefit from a playoff run.

I read the list of the top 50 high school recruits in Virginia. No five stars. A short list of four stars. The rest three stars, including Overton’s nephew who is the only Hayfield player listed. I understand there may be other scholarship players at Hayfield at schools like Akron, schools where you better study because even the Arena league is doubtful from those programs.

College football is a low odds proposition. Statistically a three star has a fifty percent chance of starting or getting material playing time. I question what dream they are selling. I was a scholarship athlete at a P4 school and although athletics unfortunately often took priority because of a need to retain the scholarship there wasn’t a moment where I didn’t put lots of emphasis on academics. In practice this means almost no social life but such is the reality. Are these football first kids at Hayfield being taught this reality?

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Riddle me this Mr we/I are so ignorant. If you leave ur current job as a dept head, and people under you leave with you, was that not their choice or is it your fault that you moved n they chose to follow. Do you say stay at your old position and deal with it because I care so much for where I’m leaving. Ignorance is the words you spew. Ignorance is me saying something along the lines of I bet you like the color RED you

It’s absolutely your fault if they move and you had a non-compete. People get sued all the time over recruiting employees. The ones that do it make darn sure they are squeaky clean.

Similarly, VHSL rule 27-9 says no proselytizing. That means
(1) Being asked to move by a member of the school faculty.
(2) Being asked to move by a booster organization or a member of such an organization.
(3) Being given tuition, free text books, allowance for transportation or consideration not afforded other students, athletic or nonathletic.
(4) Any other evidence that a transfer or enrollment was made because of athletic ability.

There are multiple parents that have flat out confessed to #4 on Facebook or the YouTube interview. Those parents say they moved their kid because their kid refused to play for anyone other than Overton because they’ve been with him since the son was 8 years old. That’s a #4 violation. You don’t need text messages, pictures of shuttle vans or anything else. The parents confessed to a #4 violation.

Is it? Not saying the coach and other adults didn’t do anything wrong, but let’s address what you concluded - there's a #4 violation when a transfer is made “because of athletic ability.” Following someone because of loyalty, does not have anything to do with athletic ability, right? They seem to have nothing to do with each other. You could suck and have weak “athletic ability” and loyally follow someone, correct? If they’re saying Hayfield went down for #4 because they couldn’t fit the violations anywhere else, I’m not convinced that’s a justified reason. Not that it matters at this point.

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Riddle me this Mr we/I are so ignorant. If you leave ur current job as a dept head, and people under you leave with you, was that not their choice or is it your fault that you moved n they chose to follow. Do you say stay at your old position and deal with it because I care so much for where I’m leaving. Ignorance is the words you spew. Ignorance is me saying something along the lines of I bet you like the color RED you

It’s absolutely your fault if they move and you had a non-compete. People get sued all the time over recruiting employees. The ones that do it make darn sure they are squeaky clean.

Similarly, VHSL rule 27-9 says no proselytizing. That means
(1) Being asked to move by a member of the school faculty.
(2) Being asked to move by a booster organization or a member of such an organization.
(3) Being given tuition, free text books, allowance for transportation or consideration not afforded other students, athletic or nonathletic.
(4) Any other evidence that a transfer or enrollment was made because of athletic ability.

There are multiple parents that have flat out confessed to #4 on Facebook or the YouTube interview. Those parents say they moved their kid because their kid refused to play for anyone other than Overton because they’ve been with him since the son was 8 years old. That’s a #4 violation. You don’t need text messages, pictures of shuttle vans or anything else. The parents confessed to a #4 violation.

Is it? Not saying the coach and other adults didn’t do anything wrong, but let’s address what you concluded - there's a #4 violation when a transfer is made “because of athletic ability.” Following someone because of loyalty, does not have anything to do with athletic ability, right? They seem to have nothing to do with each other. You could suck and have weak “athletic ability” and loyally follow someone, correct? If they’re saying Hayfield went down for #4 because they couldn’t fit the violations anywhere else, I’m not convinced that’s a justified reason. Not that it matters at this point.

Not PP. The way I read the rule it wasn't athletic ability. It was if you transferred just to play a sport. And VHSL wasn't really saying Hayfield was at issue because one or a couple kids did it. They specifically called Hayfield not shutting it down before it became 20-something kids doing it. So the way I read it, VHSL was specifically saying all those one-offs people mentioned upthread from decades ago could happen again today and it wouldn't lead to this same ban. It's when the administration allows a more than a few kids to do it that VHSL will jump in and say something.