US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

[Anonymous]

There are e far too many of anti-Asian racist posts throughout this thread to even begin to report them all to Jeff for deletion.

The real racism problem is how racist progressives are, while pretending they are truly opposed to racism.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

You should study and prepare for those major tests like that.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
What is matter with these people??

These tests weren’t originally meant to be taken after the extreme amounts of “prep” that sometimes occurs now. The scores are no longer useful in giving insight into a student’s potential, so colleges are moving away from using them. Scores acquired by extreme prepping practices simply are not that useful in distinguishing one student’s abilities forum another.

The best university in the world MIT disagrees with you after years of research.
Colleges are not moving away. I want to keep it in the name of test optional.

So, MIT has published a study comparing outcomes between students who engaged in extreme prepping practices for the SAT and ACT and those who did not? Do you have a link to that exact study?

You should study and prepare for those major tests such as SAT, MCAT, Bar Exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.
It's expected.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
You just want to walk in without much effort? WTF

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

They recently spent 500 million dollars on the Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development (ABCD) study, which tested over 10,000 American ten-year-olds into adulthood: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-020-0736-6

The average IQ of Asians in the study was 108, Whites 100 and Blacks 83. Immigrant blacks averaged 91.

I’m sure some of the gap is due to a culture that emphasizes academics, but there’s an almost 2 standard deviation gap between Asians and Blacks. Given these IQ scores, the test score gaps we see make perfect sense. This also helps explain why a large fraction of Blacks in top schools are the children of immigrants.

Are Asian students okay with attending an school with an all-Asian student body in a very diverse country ?

I understand that the response is likely to be that one wants to attend university with the best qualified students regardless of race/ethnicity so that if the best qualified are all Asian students, then so be it. But, this raises the issue of what constitutes the "best qualified" ? Is the American educational experience just about book learning and tests ?

Do you have problem with the mostly black NBA or the NFL? What's wrong with you? Expand your moral horizon a bit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

This exactly.

Keep the Black people out of elite colleges and the boardroom at any costs. But they can keep fighting the wars for the USA.

Are you saying that black people aren't smart enough for elite colleges or qualified enough for boardrooms?
Now, that is a racist mindset.

No, they are saying that laws will be made to keep black people out of college and boardrooms but laws to keep rich white kids in the pipeline will be maintained.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

You should study and prepare for those major tests like that.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
What is matter with these people??

These tests weren’t originally meant to be taken after the extreme amounts of “prep” that sometimes occurs now. The scores are no longer useful in giving insight into a student’s potential, so colleges are moving away from using them. Scores acquired by extreme prepping practices simply are not that useful in distinguishing one student’s abilities forum another.

The best university in the world MIT disagrees with you after years of research.
Colleges are not moving away. I want to keep it in the name of test optional.

So, MIT has published a study comparing outcomes between students who engaged in extreme prepping practices for the SAT and ACT and those who did not? Do you have a link to that exact study?

You should study and prepare for those major tests such as SAT, MCAT, Bar Exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.
It's expected.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
You just want to walk in without much effort? WTF

SAT is supposed to measure ability to learn, not what you have already learned.

the BAR exam and engineering tests test what you have already learned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

You should study and prepare for those major tests like that.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
What is matter with these people??

These tests weren’t originally meant to be taken after the extreme amounts of “prep” that sometimes occurs now. The scores are no longer useful in giving insight into a student’s potential, so colleges are moving away from using them. Scores acquired by extreme prepping practices simply are not that useful in distinguishing one student’s abilities forum another.

The best university in the world MIT disagrees with you after years of research.
Colleges are not moving away. I want to keep it in the name of test optional.

So, MIT has published a study comparing outcomes between students who engaged in extreme prepping practices for the SAT and ACT and those who did not? Do you have a link to that exact study?

You should study and prepare for those major tests such as SAT, MCAT, Bar Exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.
It's expected.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
You just want to walk in without much effort? WTF

SAT is supposed to measure ability to learn, not what you have already learned.

the BAR exam and engineering tests test what you have already learned.

MIT research says SAT and GPA together are the best indication of how you'll be successful in college.

I can also say that BAR exam and Engineering tests idicate how succssful you will be in those professions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

They recently spent 500 million dollars on the Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development (ABCD) study, which tested over 10,000 American ten-year-olds into adulthood: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-020-0736-6

The average IQ of Asians in the study was 108, Whites 100 and Blacks 83. Immigrant blacks averaged 91.

I’m sure some of the gap is due to a culture that emphasizes academics, but there’s an almost 2 standard deviation gap between Asians and Blacks. Given these IQ scores, the test score gaps we see make perfect sense. This also helps explain why a large fraction of Blacks in top schools are the children of immigrants.

Are Asian students okay with attending an school with an all-Asian student body in a very diverse country ?

I understand that the response is likely to be that one wants to attend university with the best qualified students regardless of race/ethnicity so that if the best qualified are all Asian students, then so be it. But, this raises the issue of what constitutes the "best qualified" ? Is the American educational experience just about book learning and tests ?

Do you have problem with the mostly black NBA or the NFL? What's wrong with you? Expand your moral horizon a bit.

I will ignore your childish insult & silly judgmental comment for the benefit of readers & posters who are not afraid to face & discuss real issues.

Professional sports teams have a clear goal--winning. Education is a much more difficult endeavor to encapsulate. What makes a leader ? Is it book learning or is it cultural awareness and understanding or, most likely, is a combination of several experiences ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

This exactly.

Keep the Black people out of elite colleges and the boardroom at any costs. But they can keep fighting the wars for the USA.

Are you saying that black people aren't smart enough for elite colleges or qualified enough for boardrooms?
Now, that is a racist mindset.

No, they are saying that laws will be made to keep black people out of college and boardrooms but laws to keep rich white kids in the pipeline will be maintained.

What part of the law will keep black people out of colleges and boardrooms??
Will they be discriminated??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

You should study and prepare for those major tests like that.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
What is matter with these people??

These tests weren’t originally meant to be taken after the extreme amounts of “prep” that sometimes occurs now. The scores are no longer useful in giving insight into a student’s potential, so colleges are moving away from using them. Scores acquired by extreme prepping practices simply are not that useful in distinguishing one student’s abilities forum another.

The best university in the world MIT disagrees with you after years of research.
Colleges are not moving away. I want to keep it in the name of test optional.

So, MIT has published a study comparing outcomes between students who engaged in extreme prepping practices for the SAT and ACT and those who did not? Do you have a link to that exact study?

You should study and prepare for those major tests such as SAT, MCAT, Bar Exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.
It's expected.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
You just want to walk in without much effort? WTF

So, got it, there is no such MIT study. It is not “careless” to fill your life with worthwhile experiences such as music, sports, theatre, volunteering rather than spending that time in extreme prepping.

Colleges want students with a wide breadth of experiences and backgrounds because they have found that that kind of college community enhances each student’s growth and development as people during their college years. Elite colleges want to graduate students who will be future societal leaders, not only academics. Good leaders need to have many different experiences with many different types of people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

They recently spent 500 million dollars on the Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development (ABCD) study, which tested over 10,000 American ten-year-olds into adulthood: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-020-0736-6

The average IQ of Asians in the study was 108, Whites 100 and Blacks 83. Immigrant blacks averaged 91.

I’m sure some of the gap is due to a culture that emphasizes academics, but there’s an almost 2 standard deviation gap between Asians and Blacks. Given these IQ scores, the test score gaps we see make perfect sense. This also helps explain why a large fraction of Blacks in top schools are the children of immigrants.

Are Asian students okay with attending an school with an all-Asian student body in a very diverse country ?

I understand that the response is likely to be that one wants to attend university with the best qualified students regardless of race/ethnicity so that if the best qualified are all Asian students, then so be it. But, this raises the issue of what constitutes the "best qualified" ? Is the American educational experience just about book learning and tests ?

Aren't Blacks okay with attending an school with almost all Blacks today? Also Whites?

You asking this type of question seems racist oriented. Open your mind.

Because I prefer a diverse educational environment & experience, you think that I have a closed mind ?

No, I would not like attending an all white or all black school as I value and crave diversity.

Others may prefer the comfort of attending an all black, all white, all Asian, all Jewish, all Catholic, all Baptist, etc. school, but I would not as I value the experience and learning derived from involvement in a diverse environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

They recently spent 500 million dollars on the Adolescent Brain Cognitive Development (ABCD) study, which tested over 10,000 American ten-year-olds into adulthood: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41386-020-0736-6

The average IQ of Asians in the study was 108, Whites 100 and Blacks 83. Immigrant blacks averaged 91.

I’m sure some of the gap is due to a culture that emphasizes academics, but there’s an almost 2 standard deviation gap between Asians and Blacks. Given these IQ scores, the test score gaps we see make perfect sense. This also helps explain why a large fraction of Blacks in top schools are the children of immigrants.

Are Asian students okay with attending an school with an all-Asian student body in a very diverse country ?

I understand that the response is likely to be that one wants to attend university with the best qualified students regardless of race/ethnicity so that if the best qualified are all Asian students, then so be it. But, this raises the issue of what constitutes the "best qualified" ? Is the American educational experience just about book learning and tests ?

Aren't Blacks okay with attending an school with almost all Blacks today? Also Whites?

You asking this type of question seems racist oriented. Open your mind.

Because I prefer a diverse educational environment & experience, you think that I have a closed mind ?

No, I would not like attending an all white or all black school as I value and crave diversity.

Others may prefer the comfort of attending an all black, all white, all Asian, all Jewish, all Catholic, all Baptist, etc. school, but I would not as I value the experience and learning derived from involvement in a diverse environment.

Yes everyone is difference and have different preference
So we have 3000+ 4 year colleges to choose from.
This is great thing about the US. Lots of options.
Pick what you like, but I'm not sure why you are so interested in other people's choices.
You think your choice is the only right answer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

This exactly.

Keep the Black people out of elite colleges and the boardroom at any costs. But they can keep fighting the wars for the USA.

Are you saying that black people aren't smart enough for elite colleges or qualified enough for boardrooms?
Now, that is a racist mindset.

No, they are saying that laws will be made to keep black people out of college and boardrooms but laws to keep rich white kids in the pipeline will be maintained.

What part of the law will keep black people out of colleges and boardrooms??
Will they be discriminated??

You want me to educate you on education in poverty, red lining, lack of funding, racism in teacher, over policing of black makes in school?

You want me to educate you… no thanks, educate yourself then come back and have an educated conversation.

It’s like Test prep but it’s not memorizing and drilling it’s learning. Try it sometime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

You should study and prepare for those major tests like that.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
What is matter with these people??

These tests weren’t originally meant to be taken after the extreme amounts of “prep” that sometimes occurs now. The scores are no longer useful in giving insight into a student’s potential, so colleges are moving away from using them. Scores acquired by extreme prepping practices simply are not that useful in distinguishing one student’s abilities forum another.

The best university in the world MIT disagrees with you after years of research.
Colleges are not moving away. I want to keep it in the name of test optional.

So, MIT has published a study comparing outcomes between students who engaged in extreme prepping practices for the SAT and ACT and those who did not? Do you have a link to that exact study?

You should study and prepare for those major tests such as SAT, MCAT, Bar Exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.
It's expected.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
You just want to walk in without much effort? WTF

So, got it, there is no such MIT study. It is not “careless” to fill your life with worthwhile experiences such as music, sports, theatre, volunteering rather than spending that time in extreme prepping.

Colleges want students with a wide breadth of experiences and backgrounds because they have found that that kind of college community enhances each student’s growth and development as people during their college years. Elite colleges want to graduate students who will be future societal leaders, not only academics. Good leaders need to have many different experiences with many different types of people.

Yes I agree.
Asians excel in all those areas - leadership, music, art, etc. etc. at the same time they prepare for tests as well.

Pay attention to the category by Harvard 'quality of activities and leadership positions'

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Look at the Harvard stats. 150 points lower on the SAT. Party of over. Time for merit.

Cheapened the degree.

It’s entirely possible that those 150 points are only due to prepping and that the non-prepped score is actually an equivalent. In other words, when you add in the advantage of prepping, the scores are pointing to the same amount of merit.

You should study and prepare for those major tests like that.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
What is matter with these people??

These tests weren’t originally meant to be taken after the extreme amounts of “prep” that sometimes occurs now. The scores are no longer useful in giving insight into a student’s potential, so colleges are moving away from using them. Scores acquired by extreme prepping practices simply are not that useful in distinguishing one student’s abilities forum another.

The best university in the world MIT disagrees with you after years of research.
Colleges are not moving away. I want to keep it in the name of test optional.

So, MIT has published a study comparing outcomes between students who engaged in extreme prepping practices for the SAT and ACT and those who did not? Do you have a link to that exact study?

You should study and prepare for those major tests such as SAT, MCAT, Bar Exam, Professional Engineer exam, etc.
It's expected.
If you are careless and don't do that, you don't belong in the elite schools.
You just want to walk in without much effort? WTF

SAT is supposed to measure ability to learn, not what you have already learned.

the BAR exam and engineering tests test what you have already learned.

MIT research says SAT and GPA together are the best indication of how you'll be successful in college.

I can also say that BAR exam and Engineering tests idicate how succssful you will be in those professions.

MIT says they would like the option to see SAT. They also say they know a perfect SAT does not mean you will be a successful student at MIT. They also will accept applications without an SAT if you have a compelling reason.

Looks like MIT is smart enough to know it’s 1 data point with some information but not enough to choose a successful student.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is quite eye-opening to read some of these posts- so many people showing how racist they are, even while they claim that they are not. Their convoluted way of thinking seems so normal to them, that they truly have no idea how easily everyone else can see how superior they feel their own race is to all others.

I'm shocked by racism agasint Asians.

But you’re just fine with racism against other groups. We see how you think.

This exactly.

Keep the Black people out of elite colleges and the boardroom at any costs. But they can keep fighting the wars for the USA.

Are you saying that black people aren't smart enough for elite colleges or qualified enough for boardrooms?
Now, that is a racist mindset.

No, they are saying that laws will be made to keep black people out of college and boardrooms but laws to keep rich white kids in the pipeline will be maintained.

What part of the law will keep black people out of colleges and boardrooms??
Will they be discriminated??

You want me to educate you on education in poverty, red lining, lack of funding, racism in teacher, over policing of black makes in school?

You want me to educate you… no thanks, educate yourself then come back and have an educated conversation.

It’s like Test prep but it’s not memorizing and drilling it’s learning. Try it sometime.

I wonder why is that happening to Blacks but not Asians.