Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think APS will consider pausing middle and high school start dates in light of new CDC guidelines? It appears the Fairfax is looking into that. Until case rates drop from red to orange.

My gut feel is no. Duran held off until he felt it was safe (teachers vaccinated) so I believe he will move forward, as planned.

I think a lot of families will bail on hybrid though if MS/HS kids are eating indoors.

Duran TRIED to hold off til teachers were vaccinated. Then Northam stepped in. Student safety has little to do with teacher vaccinations. Student safety is about cohorting and weekly surveillance at this level of spread for middle and high. According to CDC. If they can’t do it, they should wait til cases come down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

^^ speaking of bullies

Her qualifications are on her LinkedIn. Sorry if public facts seem like bullying, but I am sick of her shutting down discussion. The way she refused to even entertain sharing how she came to her conclusions was weird. She makes broad, sweeping claims with pretty graphics (because she is a graphic artist) that are designed to make the reader believe the information is backed by solid science. It is not. She is well-intentioned, but a hack. And so many clueless sycophants encourage her to keep producing. She has a history of bullying on other topics in the past - in real life, not saying on social media.

I am not APE, but I don’t care for how she squelches discussion and sows fear.

What does her profession have to do with anything?

Feel free to challenge her points or question the data, but trying to tear her down because of her job is straight-up bullying.

Seems like you’re trying to silence her instead of addressing her points.

No one can challenge her analysis because she refuses to share it, and admit it involves certain assumptions on her part that no one else can review and evaluate. Peer-review is the gold standard of scientific research, so when researchers refuse to allow peer review, their data is considered inherently suspect. The same is true here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think APS will consider pausing middle and high school start dates in light of new CDC guidelines? It appears the Fairfax is looking into that. Until case rates drop from red to orange.

My gut feel is no. Duran held off until he felt it was safe (teachers vaccinated) so I believe he will move forward, as planned.

I think a lot of families will bail on hybrid though if MS/HS kids are eating indoors.

I honestly think Duran was just looking at community transmission rates, but staff vaccinations were a wonderful thing that has happened to change those. He’s been good to us- I think he’s been wise about not setting dates we couldn’t meet, unlike other districts. As a teacher, that has been better for me. I’ve been able to focus on the job in front of me. Now... he made a gamble, but like I said, I think it’s a safe bet. I’m really thinking about how to best do concurrent.

I’m excited to meet some of the kids. Very hopeful for regular fall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

DP- the advocacy isn’t a problem for anyone. The manipulation of data and squelching of dissenting voices is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think APS will consider pausing middle and high school start dates in light of new CDC guidelines? It appears the Fairfax is looking into that. Until case rates drop from red to orange.

My gut feel is no. Duran held off until he felt it was safe (teachers vaccinated) so I believe he will move forward, as planned.

I think a lot of families will bail on hybrid though if MS/HS kids are eating indoors.

Duran TRIED to hold off til teachers were vaccinated. Then Northam stepped in. Student safety has little to do with teacher vaccinations. Student safety is about cohorting and weekly surveillance at this level of spread for middle and high. According to CDC. If they can’t do it, they should wait til cases come down.

True.

Fingers crossed the numbers come down quickly.

Mask up and get vaccinated, people!

And vaccinate those idiots still going to restaurants/bars - maybe have the bouncers vaccinate. After the high-risk/essential people, we should do the irresponsible people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think APS will consider pausing middle and high school start dates in light of new CDC guidelines? It appears the Fairfax is looking into that. Until case rates drop from red to orange.

My gut feel is no. Duran held off until he felt it was safe (teachers vaccinated) so I believe he will move forward, as planned.

I think a lot of families will bail on hybrid though if MS/HS kids are eating indoors.

Duran TRIED to hold off til teachers were vaccinated. Then Northam stepped in. Student safety has little to do with teacher vaccinations. Student safety is about cohorting and weekly surveillance at this level of spread for middle and high. According to CDC. If they can’t do it, they should wait til cases come down.

True.

Fingers crossed the numbers come down quickly.

Mask up and get vaccinated, people!

And vaccinate those idiots still going to restaurants/bars - maybe have the bouncers vaccinate. After the high-risk/essential people, we should do the irresponsible people.

LOL- the twenty-something crowd! Some of them can’t control those hormones!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

^^ speaking of bullies

Her qualifications are on her LinkedIn. Sorry if public facts seem like bullying, but I am sick of her shutting down discussion. The way she refused to even entertain sharing how she came to her conclusions was weird. She makes broad, sweeping claims with pretty graphics (because she is a graphic artist) that are designed to make the reader believe the information is backed by solid science. It is not. She is well-intentioned, but a hack. And so many clueless sycophants encourage her to keep producing. She has a history of bullying on other topics in the past - in real life, not saying on social media.

I am not APE, but I don’t care for how she squelches discussion and sows fear.

What does her profession have to do with anything?

Feel free to challenge her points or question the data, but trying to tear her down because of her job is straight-up bullying.

Seems like you’re trying to silence her instead of addressing her points.

No one can challenge her analysis because she refuses to share it, and admit it involves certain assumptions on her part that no one else can review and evaluate. Peer-review is the gold standard of scientific research, so when researchers refuse to allow peer review, their data is considered inherently suspect. The same is true here.

So don’t look at *her* data. Look at what APS has provided. They have already shared that many classrooms don’t meet the criteria.

And she had and *is* sharing data. Just ask. If she’s not sharing with you, then I’m guessing you were a jerk to her at some point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think APS will consider pausing middle and high school start dates in light of new CDC guidelines? It appears the Fairfax is looking into that. Until case rates drop from red to orange.

My gut feel is no. Duran held off until he felt it was safe (teachers vaccinated) so I believe he will move forward, as planned.

I think a lot of families will bail on hybrid though if MS/HS kids are eating indoors.

Duran TRIED to hold off til teachers were vaccinated. Then Northam stepped in. Student safety has little to do with teacher vaccinations. Student safety is about cohorting and weekly surveillance at this level of spread for middle and high. According to CDC. If they can’t do it, they should wait til cases come down.

True.

Fingers crossed the numbers come down quickly.

Mask up and get vaccinated, people!

And vaccinate those idiots still going to restaurants/bars - maybe have the bouncers vaccinate. After the high-risk/essential people, we should do the irresponsible people.

LOL- the twenty-something crowd! Some of them can’t control those hormones!!!

Door prize - you win a jab & a condom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think APS will consider pausing middle and high school start dates in light of new CDC guidelines? It appears the Fairfax is looking into that. Until case rates drop from red to orange.

My gut feel is no. Duran held off until he felt it was safe (teachers vaccinated) so I believe he will move forward, as planned.

I think a lot of families will bail on hybrid though if MS/HS kids are eating indoors.

I honestly think Duran was just looking at community transmission rates, but staff vaccinations were a wonderful thing that has happened to change those. He’s been good to us- I think he’s been wise about not setting dates we couldn’t meet, unlike other districts. As a teacher, that has been better for me. I’ve been able to focus on the job in front of me. Now... he made a gamble, but like I said, I think it’s a safe bet. I’m really thinking about how to best do concurrent.

I’m excited to meet some of the kids. Very hopeful for regular fall.

Thank you for sticking with it and adapting to so many big changes this year!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you think APS will consider pausing middle and high school start dates in light of new CDC guidelines? It appears the Fairfax is looking into that. Until case rates drop from red to orange.

My gut feel is no. Duran held off until he felt it was safe (teachers vaccinated) so I believe he will move forward, as planned.

I think a lot of families will bail on hybrid though if MS/HS kids are eating indoors.

Duran TRIED to hold off til teachers were vaccinated. Then Northam stepped in. Student safety has little to do with teacher vaccinations. Student safety is about cohorting and weekly surveillance at this level of spread for middle and high. According to CDC. If they can’t do it, they should wait til cases come down.

True.

Fingers crossed the numbers come down quickly.

Mask up and get vaccinated, people!

And vaccinate those idiots still going to restaurants/bars - maybe have the bouncers vaccinate. After the high-risk/essential people, we should do the irresponsible people.

LOL- the twenty-something crowd! Some of them can’t control those hormones!!!

Door prize - you win a jab & a condom.

Thanks for the laugh. All due respect to the twenty-somethings being careful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

^^ speaking of bullies

Her qualifications are on her LinkedIn. Sorry if public facts seem like bullying, but I am sick of her shutting down discussion. The way she refused to even entertain sharing how she came to her conclusions was weird. She makes broad, sweeping claims with pretty graphics (because she is a graphic artist) that are designed to make the reader believe the information is backed by solid science. It is not. She is well-intentioned, but a hack. And so many clueless sycophants encourage her to keep producing. She has a history of bullying on other topics in the past - in real life, not saying on social media.

I am not APE, but I don’t care for how she squelches discussion and sows fear.

What does her profession have to do with anything?

Feel free to challenge her points or question the data, but trying to tear her down because of her job is straight-up bullying.

Seems like you’re trying to silence her instead of addressing her points.

No one can challenge her analysis because she refuses to share it, and admit it involves certain assumptions on her part that no one else can review and evaluate. Peer-review is the gold standard of scientific research, so when researchers refuse to allow peer review, their data is considered inherently suspect. The same is true here.

Oh, FFS, she wasn’t holding out her data as having been peer reviewed or as a scientific gold standard. She crunched some numbers and was revealing to parents that APS needed to do some more work on school ventilation (which they do!) and they need to release some more data (which they do!). She explained why she wasn’t releasing her own work—apparently she shared prior work with members of APE, who used it against her in a very personal attack. She doesn’t owe anybody anything. If you want to “peer review” her work, then ask APS for the same data they gave her and you can put in the same time and effort she did. Until then, I respectfully request that you stop with this attacks. Like her or not, her efforts are leading to safer classrooms, even for hybrid kids who return early next month. Her kids are remaining virtual, so she has done this work for ALL kids, not just hers. No one has said the Smart Restart safety goals are prerequisites to opening. Her work just helps APS identify areas where they can take additional safety steps to protect kids when they return to classrooms soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

^^ speaking of bullies

Her qualifications are on her LinkedIn. Sorry if public facts seem like bullying, but I am sick of her shutting down discussion. The way she refused to even entertain sharing how she came to her conclusions was weird. She makes broad, sweeping claims with pretty graphics (because she is a graphic artist) that are designed to make the reader believe the information is backed by solid science. It is not. She is well-intentioned, but a hack. And so many clueless sycophants encourage her to keep producing. She has a history of bullying on other topics in the past - in real life, not saying on social media.

I am not APE, but I don’t care for how she squelches discussion and sows fear.

What does her profession have to do with anything?

Feel free to challenge her points or question the data, but trying to tear her down because of her job is straight-up bullying.

Seems like you’re trying to silence her instead of addressing her points.

No one can challenge her analysis because she refuses to share it, and admit it involves certain assumptions on her part that no one else can review and evaluate. Peer-review is the gold standard of scientific research, so when researchers refuse to allow peer review, their data is considered inherently suspect. The same is true here.

Oh, FFS, she wasn’t holding out her data as having been peer reviewed or as a scientific gold standard. She crunched some numbers and was revealing to parents that APS needed to do some more work on school ventilation (which they do!) and they need to release some more data (which they do!). She explained why she wasn’t releasing her own work—apparently she shared prior work with members of APE, who used it against her in a very personal attack. She doesn’t owe anybody anything. If you want to “peer review” her work, then ask APS for the same data they gave her and you can put in the same time and effort she did. Until then, I respectfully request that you stop with this attacks. Like her or not, her efforts are leading to safer classrooms, even for hybrid kids who return early next month. Her kids are remaining virtual, so she has done this work for ALL kids, not just hers. No one has said the Smart Restart safety goals are prerequisites to opening. Her work just helps APS identify areas where they can take additional safety steps to protect kids when they return to classrooms soon.

Well. Their advocacy for weekly testing in middle and high school while cases are in the RED is a recommended CDC prerequisite to opening as of Friday. APS should not be opening them without it. I always thought that and now a rational science based CDC agrees. APS needs to look carefully at it.

[Anonymous]

^^ Very well said! ^^

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why does no one question this bully? Her only credentials seem to be that she is loud, long-winded and creates colorful charts. She is a graphic artist and appears to have not been in the workforce for years, except for her invitation-making business.

I agree. I find it very strange that not only is the graphic artist is getting away with this but that so many are going along with it. There are a few in the group who are getting so much bizarre adulation from the others that it just feeds them to keep going, increasing their perceived self-importance and some people’s paralyzing fear about the pandemic. The whole situation is nuts. It’d make a good research project for a psychology class.

She has been advocating for good air quality/ventilation for months. A key factor for the transmission of this virus. I don’t get why this is an actual *problem* for some people.

WTF have you done - aside from bullying people?

If all she was doing was advocacy, great. But she’s not. She is putting herself out there as an expert and, along with her fan club, tries to shame anyone who disagrees. She refuses to tell people her credentials, blocks people who disagree with her and won’t share her data. She is on a power trip cloaked as advocacy.

[Anonymous]

And hers and others falsification and fear mongering is keeping vulnerable children out of school. It’s not making school safer it’s making it unattainable. It’s not noble. And she was not personally attacked. She views being challenged as a personal attack.