December 17 - TJ decision?

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Anonymous wrote:So if I go to an AAP Center I have to compete with those kids for the 1.5%. But if I go to private, I enter pool with the schoo to which I’m zoned?

Won’t all the kids from Justice come from private schools like Congressional?

They said it would be based on the middle school that you attend, not the base middle school to which you're assigned. So that makes me think private school kids aren't included in the 1.5% at all, but instead would get admitted from the residual county-wide pool. The goal is to boost the numbers coming from Glasgow (the MS feeder to Justice), not Congressional.

But of course they'll probably have to spend weeks now drafting FAQs so people understand what they are planning for next year and the years to come. Of course, they don't want to share too much information, because they won't want anyone "gaming" the new process!

Whoever is suing needs to add that to its claim. How can they treat kids going to private school that live next door to a kid attending the public middle school any differently in this process?

because private school students aren't a protected class

But if geographic diversity is their stated goal, their admissions standards should be based on geography of the County. Not doing so indicates the real goal is race — hence, why anyone suing should use it to prove that.

Courts don’t toss out solutions because they aren’t perfect

No, but if they are blatantly based on race they will. What happens when 80% of the kids applying from the public MS are Hispanic but 80% are white from that same MS (who happen to have attended private school)?

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I don’t think the SB will get the mix they hope for. The top 1.5% at the poorer schools May end up being Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the SB will get the mix they hope for. The top 1.5% at the poorer schools May end up being Asian.

So instead of getting Asian kids from McLean, they will get more Asian kids from Alexandria and Springfield.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the SB will get the mix they hope for. The top 1.5% at the poorer schools May end up being Asian.

Which might explain why the groups pushing for the merit lottery were so upset about this, and busy saying it would keep all the problems.

In 20 years of people griping about diversity at TJ, window dressing changes is all anyone has done. This looks like that to. I personally am not one of the complainers, but for those who are it must be frustrating.

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Anonymous wrote:What is FCPS's plan to address additional overcrowding at high schools that will see enrollment increases if TJ switches to a lottery? The overcrowded McLean and Chantilly pyramids currently send the most kids to TJ, and will see an influx of students under a lottery, but FCPS isn't planning for an addition at either school. Conversely, West Potomac and Justice are among the pyramids that send the fewest kids to TJ, and will send more under a lottery, but FCPS is building expensive additions at both schools. FCPS planning is a mess.

2020-21 TJ students by base high school pyramid:

McLean 190
Chantilly 155
Langley 152
Oakton 140
Westfield 92
Woodson 81
Madison 70
Marshall 68
Fairfax 48
South Lakes 47
Lake Braddock 42
Centreville 40
Annandale 39
Robinson 33
Falls Church 25
West Springfield 24
Edison 21
Hayfield 21
Herndon 21
South County 21
West Potomac 19
Justice 11
Lewis 11
Mount Vernon 7

Source: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

Wow. McLean and Chantilly (who I think are currently the most overcrowded HS in FCPS without a plan in place) really needs some help now - Langley might be able to absorb.

strange how the top and bottom list correspond so well to school affluence. it's almost like TJ's detractors hadve a point

Or the rigor of the HS.

Or the education of the parents. Well educated parents care about their kids’ education and move to better school districts. Not everything is about money. Or race. It may be about education!

Which is tied to money and race but nice try!

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Anonymous wrote:What is the universal screener they are speaking about? Are the kids going to get a screening test in school

The universal screener is the iready kids take unless they opt out. I believe they're referring to it for the similarity in a test administered unless you opt out of it. However hye do plan to limit the TJ problem solving and whatever else test/essay to only the kids who qualify based on GPA or whatever other metrics. Essentially instead of requiring the kids in that pool to opt in they will require them to opt out if they don't want to take it.

So they’ll get lots of kids who don’t opt out to avoid a confrontation with their parents but write things in their personal essays about how they don’t really want to go to TJ. All on the taxpayer’s dime to sort through.

You assume more people want to go to TJ than actually do. I can see lots of opt outs happening.

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Anonymous wrote:For next year, SIS, problem solving essay, “experience factors”, 1.5% of “qualified” kids from each MS, remainder evaluated with holistic approach to highest evaluated applicants without regard to region. But it’s utterly unclear how they will rig the class with the experience factors.

What does this even mean "“experience factors”, 1.5% of “qualified” kids from each MS, remainder evaluated with holistic approach to highest evaluated applicants "?????

Dp here. I think they are trying to capture 1.5% of each middle school so schools like hayfield and Poe will send some kids vs none or very few. Now they will have some representation. The remainder of the seats left at TJ will be selected by a holistic approach.

Basically they are taking some seats away from McLean and Chantilly and giving them to kids in lower represented areas.

So taking away seats at TJ from two already overcrowded pyramids when the CIP that Platenberg previewed tonight indicates that FCPS doesn’t plan to do anything to add capacity at either McLean HS or Chantilly HS? Fantastic. Gotta love FCPS.

Isn't McLean seceding? So who cares.

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Wonder how many of the 39 TJ students who live within the Annandale boundaries went to middle school outside the pyramid and moved there after their kid got into TJ. I heard an enormous amount of griping about how few Glasgow, Holmes, and Poe MS kids get into TJ.

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Anonymous wrote:1.5% from each school does not make sense without a minimum and without acknowledging centers get more kids. Are they doing away with middle school centers too?

It’s a minimum 1.5% from each middle school and that minimum means more kids from the middle schools with more 8th graders, which are usually AAP centers. They don’t care if the top 1.5% from Poe might not be in the top 20% at Carson because they have decided broader geographic representation is more important.

I give it by next year for some people to be renting in the unrepresented middle school boundaries or leaving their AAP center for 8th grade at their base middle school if it gives a better shot at TJ.

Why bother? The quality of the student body will decline and it’s not like TJ will have the same reputation for excellence.

And as a results, maybe stress will go down and the suicides will go down and the quality of life of these kids will go way up.

The current TJ product is not without massive issues. Let's look at the glass half full and focus on what will will likely improve.

My kids love “the current TJ product.” I am guessing you don’t have any there that’s why you believe the rumors about it.

I'm an Alumni so I know what the experience is like, unlike you, who only listens to 3rd hand information from your children. They are likely too afraid to tell you the truth. Most of us alumni recognize a change needs to occur. It's current parents who do not. It's not even their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:1.5% from each school does not make sense without a minimum and without acknowledging centers get more kids. Are they doing away with middle school centers too?

It’s a minimum 1.5% from each middle school and that minimum means more kids from the middle schools with more 8th graders, which are usually AAP centers. They don’t care if the top 1.5% from Poe might not be in the top 20% at Carson because they have decided broader geographic representation is more important.

I give it by next year for some people to be renting in the unrepresented middle school boundaries or leaving their AAP center for 8th grade at their base middle school if it gives a better shot at TJ.

Why bother? The quality of the student body will decline and it’s not like TJ will have the same reputation for excellence.

And as a results, maybe stress will go down and the suicides will go down and the quality of life of these kids will go way up.

The current TJ product is not without massive issues. Let's look at the glass half full and focus on what will will likely improve.

My kids love “the current TJ product.” I am guessing you don’t have any there that’s why you believe the rumors about it.

I'm an Alumni so I know what the experience is like, unlike you, who only listens to 3rd hand information from your children. They are likely too afraid to tell you the truth. Most of us alumni recognize a change needs to occur. It's current parents who do not. It's not even their kids.

Fellow alumnus here - what's your source for "most?" And to what graduation year do you go back?

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Anonymous wrote:What is FCPS's plan to address additional overcrowding at high schools that will see enrollment increases if TJ switches to a lottery? The overcrowded McLean and Chantilly pyramids currently send the most kids to TJ, and will see an influx of students under a lottery, but FCPS isn't planning for an addition at either school. Conversely, West Potomac and Justice are among the pyramids that send the fewest kids to TJ, and will send more under a lottery, but FCPS is building expensive additions at both schools. FCPS planning is a mess.

2020-21 TJ students by base high school pyramid:

McLean 190
Chantilly 155
Langley 152
Oakton 140
Westfield 92
Woodson 81
Madison 70
Marshall 68
Fairfax 48
South Lakes 47
Lake Braddock 42
Centreville 40
Annandale 39
Robinson 33
Falls Church 25
West Springfield 24
Edison 21
Hayfield 21
Herndon 21
South County 21
West Potomac 19
Justice 11
Lewis 11
Mount Vernon 7

Source: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

Wow. McLean and Chantilly (who I think are currently the most overcrowded HS in FCPS without a plan in place) really needs some help now - Langley might be able to absorb.

strange how the top and bottom list correspond so well to school affluence. it's almost like TJ's detractors hadve a point

Or the rigor of the HS.

Or the education of the parents. Well educated parents care about their kids’ education and move to better school districts. Not everything is about money. Or race. It may be about education!

Which is tied to money and race but nice try!

Everything is always about race for some people. They won’t be happy with the new system either.

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Anonymous wrote:What is FCPS's plan to address additional overcrowding at high schools that will see enrollment increases if TJ switches to a lottery? The overcrowded McLean and Chantilly pyramids currently send the most kids to TJ, and will see an influx of students under a lottery, but FCPS isn't planning for an addition at either school. Conversely, West Potomac and Justice are among the pyramids that send the fewest kids to TJ, and will send more under a lottery, but FCPS is building expensive additions at both schools. FCPS planning is a mess.

2020-21 TJ students by base high school pyramid:

McLean 190
Chantilly 155
Langley 152
Oakton 140
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Source: https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

Wow. McLean and Chantilly (who I think are currently the most overcrowded HS in FCPS without a plan in place) really needs some help now - Langley might be able to absorb.

strange how the top and bottom list correspond so well to school affluence. it's almost like TJ's detractors hadve a point

Or the rigor of the HS.

Or the education of the parents. Well educated parents care about their kids’ education and move to better school districts. Not everything is about money. Or race. It may be about education!

Which is tied to money and race but nice try!

The sheer incompetence is mind boggling. FCPS facilties produced a document dated December 7. 2020. Actual numbers projected for Mclean to Langley boundary process. Only took a year...

10 days later we learn there are 342 TJ students that otherwise would be at Langley + Mclean. If 200 would be at the base schools ? December 7

https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/media/pdf/FINAL_Presentation%20for%20McLean%20Langley%20Dec%207%202020.pdf

Not to minimize the real Pearl Harbor but it is just ironic that Dec 7 is the date of that FCPS report. A turning point for the USA and the ultimate example of FCPS top administration and school board incompetence.

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Two questions if anyone knows the answer.

1. So is this based on the child’s base middle school or where they actually attend?

2. Do kids with an IEP have a “leg up”? Will kids with a 504 have a similar leg up?

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Anonymous wrote:Well, there goes TJ being the best high school in the country. This is the end result of leftist ideology, not an improvement for the masses, but a cutting down of the top performers.

You get what you vote for.

It was #4 in 2019. It fluctuates. It will be someone else in 2021, etc...

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Anonymous wrote:So if I go to an AAP Center I have to compete with those kids for the 1.5%. But if I go to private, I enter pool with the schoo to which I’m zoned?

Won’t all the kids from Justice come from private schools like Congressional?

They said it would be based on the middle school that you attend, not the base middle school to which you're assigned. So that makes me think private school kids aren't included in the 1.5% at all, but instead would get admitted from the residual county-wide pool. The goal is to boost the numbers coming from Glasgow (the MS feeder to Justice), not Congressional.

But of course they'll probably have to spend weeks now drafting FAQs so people understand what they are planning for next year and the years to come. Of course, they don't want to share too much information, because they won't want anyone "gaming" the new process!

Whoever is suing needs to add that to its claim. How can they treat kids going to private school that live next door to a kid attending the public middle school any differently in this process?

because private school students aren't a protected class

They do if they are not narrowly tailored

But if geographic diversity is their stated goal, their admissions standards should be based on geography of the County. Not doing so indicates the real goal is race — hence, why anyone suing should use it to prove that.

Courts don’t toss out solutions because they aren’t perfect