What does everyone think about SYC

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To the fake parent complaining about “coach berating U-littles”:
I don’t believe you.

I’m not saying that the coach wasn’t loud or demanding of his players, but I don’t think you are representing the situation at all in any fair manner.

I frankly don't care if you believe me or not. I'm putting my view out there and conveying what I witnessed. For the record, none of the other coaches in this age group at the tournament displayed anything like this behavior (VYS, McClean, and Alexandria all fielded teams at this tournament), nor did any team that we played the entire fall season -- too many teams to list.

This isn't sour grapes because my son's team lost, nor do I have anything personal against SYC or their coach -- I don't know anything about that other than the game I just witnessed. But our team played the vaunted "Bethesda" team a few weeks ago and got whooped, and I didn't see or hear anything from the Bethesda U9 coach that was so angry or unsettling.

“I don’t like it therefore it’s not good”

[Anonymous]

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RantingSoccerDad wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:LoOk aT tHaT pOsSeSsiOn oMG!!

https://www.fotmob.com/livescores/3411437?status=finished

I went to the new stadium before lockdown to see them play Chelsea live, I know Tottenham, and believe me, SYC is no Tottenham, other than the fact that neither is in the elite tier of their respective leagues. Move and embarrass you and your club no further.

So make your case that Tottenham isn't in the "elite tier" of the EPL.

The stats to the contrary: Over the last 11 years, the following clubs are the *only* clubs to finish ahead of Spurs even once:

Chelsea: 8 times
Manchester City: 8 times
Arsenal: 7 times, none in the last 4
Manchester United: 7 times, less frequently since Fergie retired
Liverpool: 3 times
Leicester: 2 times
Everton: 1 time

The average league position of these clubs:

Manchester City: 2.27
Manchester United: 3.55
Chelsea: 3.55
Tottenham: 4.27
Arsenal: 4.27
Liverpool: 5.00
Leicester: 8.33 (since promotion)

Same test, past *five* years:

Chelsea: 3 times
Manchester City: 3 times
Manchester United: 2 times
Liverpool: 2 times
Leicester: 2 times
Arsenal: 1 time
Everton: 0 times

Average league position over the past five years:

Manchester City: 2.2
Tottenham: 3.6
Liverpool: 3.8
Manchester United: 4.4
Chelsea: 4.6
Arsenal: 5.2
Leicester: 7.2
Everton: 9.2

So in the early 2010s, Spurs would rank roughly fifth behind Chelsea, Arsenal and the Manchester clubs.

In the late 2010s, only Manchester City has a definitive case for being better. Over the last two years, add Liverpool.

By any measure, they're in the top five in the deepest professional league (maybe second-deepest, depending on how you rate Spain) in the world.

Don't be ridiculous:

There's only one measure of whether a team is elite or not - it's silverware. Specifically premier league titles and european chamionships, with a half point thrown in for an FA cup.

Years since Spurs last won an EPL: infinity (they last won the English first division 60 years ago)
Years since Spurs last won a European Championship: infinity
Years since Spurs last won an FA cup: 30

They haven't won a thing in the last thirty years. They're an also ran - behind every single one of the clubs you mentioned and many others. Losers from start to finish.

Just like SYC then.

U18 boys literally just won State Cup

Yeah but U18s doesn't count. Because of the split birth year, there are essentially two competitions for the same age group: U18 and U19. Most clubs play their first team in U19 and their second team in the U18 competition. So you should only count U15, U16, U17 and U19 state cups. Sorry - nice try but no cigar.

*gets proven wrong*
“Well no that one doesn’t count! Stop the count!!”

Not proven wrong at all. The poster evaluating Tottenham correctly counted premier league and champions league trophies as more valuable than the FA cup, and other trophies as irrelevant. This is because not all trophies are equal. In the state cup - the U18 trophy is an anomaly - it is not (nearly) as competitive as the other age groups for the reason I mentioned. Therefore - just as no-one in English football ever gave a hoot about the milk cup, nor does anyone care about the U18 state cup.

[Anonymous]

please take the epl conversation to another thread. this one is regarding syc.

[Anonymous]

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RantingSoccerDad wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not in any way defending this coach. It sounds like he's horrible. Even so - every club has good coaches and bad coaches. I wouldn't write a whole club off because of the antics of a single coach - unless you know he would be your DS' coach next year. Find out who would be coaching your son's team next year at each of the clubs you are considering and watch that coach's teams play. Make your decision based on that coach - not some other coach.

I hear what you're saying but --- it was so bad that one has to interpret this coach's behavior as being implicitly sanctioned by the SYC club. Which tells me that SYC is not a club I would ever consider for my (several) soccer-playing children. But hey, I guess some parents don't mind, or have weighed that negative against what they see as other positives about the club. I just know that I could never allow my boys to be subjected to that kind of abusive behavior (while winning handily!) ... and I'm probably one of the toughest parents when it comes to not treating my children with kid gloves.

This wasn't just pointing out mistakes or even demanding perfection -- all of that I support. My kids' teams have been on the winning side of huge blowouts in other games, and I've seen and appreciated our coach continuing to "coach" the boys from the sidelines, yelling instructions or corrections or challenging the kids to put in more effort. But man, this was something else; the loud, angry, ugly way that every single thing he had to say to his own team was communicated was disturbing. I could easily see it turning young players off from the game.

You are either doing a false narrative, or your own projection. Again you have no idea what their environment is like, at the same time you also have no idea what the relationship is like from the coach to players, players to players, coach to parents, players the parents, etc. but I can do the same exact thing, here we go:

Oh wow my U-littles son just won with SYC but wow the other coach. He doesn’t care about competitive nature of the game. Coaching the system too much, not adapting. I was like “ayyy this isn’t practice papi”. Seriously crossing them off my list.

I have previously complained about other coaches doing ZERO COACHING from the sidelines -- not yelling anything, good or bad, positive or negative, or any instructions to the players. I don't like that end of the spectrum, either. I want to see coaching -- including giving instructions and organization and reminders to the players. I want to see coaches challenging their players to play better (because you can always play better, even when you're winning big) -- I want every game to be a learning opportunity, especially for an 8 year old. But there's a positive, or even a mildly negative way to do that ... and then there's what I saw from the SYC U9 coach, which was entirely different.

I was AR in a game recently in which I wished I had earplugs because the McLean coach was constantly yelling. About 80% negative, 18% joystick coaching, 2% positive.

I could actually see a creative player getting more timid over the course of the game. It was terrible.

(BTW -- I'm ending my part in the hijacking over Spurs. I've made my point and sufficiently refuted the notion that they're somehow not "elite." No need to continue the conversation while someone tries to excuse a misstatement by wildly moving the goalposts. Go Liverpool.)

I was a PP but did not move the goalposts to focus on trophies. Your analysis showed their recent history before this season still placed them outside the top four, which I would consider outside the elite of the EPL. You also began this by citing their place atop the standings nine matches into the season as your evidence they are elite. So let's not get carried away with those who move the goalposts, when you shifted your evidentiary basis from the first nine games of this year to the last eleven years of finishes, which has them remaining outside the top four.

I'm the guy who pointed out that they never won a darn thing in the last three decades. Elite? Nobody will remember this Tottenham team in five years time, let alone thirty, whatever silly metrics this RantingPeepeehead idiot copmes up with. He's trying to claim Tottenham are more "elite" than Liverpool over the last five years. What a joke. This Liverpool team will go down in history as one of the greatest Liverpool teams ever, perhaps even one of the greatest teams the world has ever seen. It will be remembered and discussed wherever football fans meet for a pint for decades to come.

Tottenham? Nobody, apart from Tottenham fans will remember this team even existed in five years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LoOk aT tHaT pOsSeSsiOn oMG!!

https://www.fotmob.com/livescores/3411437?status=finished

I went to the new stadium before lockdown to see them play Chelsea live, I know Tottenham, and believe me, SYC is no Tottenham, other than the fact that neither is in the elite tier of their respective leagues. Move and embarrass you and your club no further.

So make your case that Tottenham isn't in the "elite tier" of the EPL.

The stats to the contrary: Over the last 11 years, the following clubs are the *only* clubs to finish ahead of Spurs even once:

Chelsea: 8 times
Manchester City: 8 times
Arsenal: 7 times, none in the last 4
Manchester United: 7 times, less frequently since Fergie retired
Liverpool: 3 times
Leicester: 2 times
Everton: 1 time

The average league position of these clubs:

Manchester City: 2.27
Manchester United: 3.55
Chelsea: 3.55
Tottenham: 4.27
Arsenal: 4.27
Liverpool: 5.00
Leicester: 8.33 (since promotion)

Same test, past *five* years:

Chelsea: 3 times
Manchester City: 3 times
Manchester United: 2 times
Liverpool: 2 times
Leicester: 2 times
Arsenal: 1 time
Everton: 0 times

Average league position over the past five years:

Manchester City: 2.2
Tottenham: 3.6
Liverpool: 3.8
Manchester United: 4.4
Chelsea: 4.6
Arsenal: 5.2
Leicester: 7.2
Everton: 9.2

So in the early 2010s, Spurs would rank roughly fifth behind Chelsea, Arsenal and the Manchester clubs.

In the late 2010s, only Manchester City has a definitive case for being better. Over the last two years, add Liverpool.

By any measure, they're in the top five in the deepest professional league (maybe second-deepest, depending on how you rate Spain) in the world.

Don't be ridiculous:

There's only one measure of whether a team is elite or not - it's silverware. Specifically premier league titles and european chamionships, with a half point thrown in for an FA cup.

Years since Spurs last won an EPL: infinity (they last won the English first division 60 years ago)
Years since Spurs last won a European Championship: infinity
Years since Spurs last won an FA cup: 30

They haven't won a thing in the last thirty years. They're an also ran - behind every single one of the clubs you mentioned and many others. Losers from start to finish.

Just like SYC then.

U18 boys literally just won State Cup

Yeah but U18s doesn't count. Because of the split birth year, there are essentially two competitions for the same age group: U18 and U19. Most clubs play their first team in U19 and their second team in the U18 competition. So you should only count U15, U16, U17 and U19 state cups. Sorry - nice try but no cigar.

*gets proven wrong*
“Well no that one doesn’t count! Stop the count!!”

Not proven wrong at all. The poster evaluating Tottenham correctly counted premier league and champions league trophies as more valuable than the FA cup, and other trophies as irrelevant. This is because not all trophies are equal. In the state cup - the U18 trophy is an anomaly - it is not (nearly) as competitive as the other age groups for the reason I mentioned. Therefore - just as no-one in English football ever gave a hoot about the milk cup, nor does anyone care about the U18 state cup.

lol okay... CCL literally prioritizes U18 age group over U19 age group. Want to talk about ECNL teams doing the same?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LoOk aT tHaT pOsSeSsiOn oMG!!

https://www.fotmob.com/livescores/3411437?status=finished

I went to the new stadium before lockdown to see them play Chelsea live, I know Tottenham, and believe me, SYC is no Tottenham, other than the fact that neither is in the elite tier of their respective leagues. Move and embarrass you and your club no further.

So make your case that Tottenham isn't in the "elite tier" of the EPL.

The stats to the contrary: Over the last 11 years, the following clubs are the *only* clubs to finish ahead of Spurs even once:

Chelsea: 8 times
Manchester City: 8 times
Arsenal: 7 times, none in the last 4
Manchester United: 7 times, less frequently since Fergie retired
Liverpool: 3 times
Leicester: 2 times
Everton: 1 time

The average league position of these clubs:

Manchester City: 2.27
Manchester United: 3.55
Chelsea: 3.55
Tottenham: 4.27
Arsenal: 4.27
Liverpool: 5.00
Leicester: 8.33 (since promotion)

Same test, past *five* years:

Chelsea: 3 times
Manchester City: 3 times
Manchester United: 2 times
Liverpool: 2 times
Leicester: 2 times
Arsenal: 1 time
Everton: 0 times

Average league position over the past five years:

Manchester City: 2.2
Tottenham: 3.6
Liverpool: 3.8
Manchester United: 4.4
Chelsea: 4.6
Arsenal: 5.2
Leicester: 7.2
Everton: 9.2

So in the early 2010s, Spurs would rank roughly fifth behind Chelsea, Arsenal and the Manchester clubs.

In the late 2010s, only Manchester City has a definitive case for being better. Over the last two years, add Liverpool.

By any measure, they're in the top five in the deepest professional league (maybe second-deepest, depending on how you rate Spain) in the world.

Don't be ridiculous:

There's only one measure of whether a team is elite or not - it's silverware. Specifically premier league titles and european chamionships, with a half point thrown in for an FA cup.

Years since Spurs last won an EPL: infinity (they last won the English first division 60 years ago)
Years since Spurs last won a European Championship: infinity
Years since Spurs last won an FA cup: 30

They haven't won a thing in the last thirty years. They're an also ran - behind every single one of the clubs you mentioned and many others. Losers from start to finish.

Just like SYC then.

U18 boys literally just won State Cup

Yeah but U18s doesn't count. Because of the split birth year, there are essentially two competitions for the same age group: U18 and U19. Most clubs play their first team in U19 and their second team in the U18 competition. So you should only count U15, U16, U17 and U19 state cups. Sorry - nice try but no cigar.

*gets proven wrong*
“Well no that one doesn’t count! Stop the count!!”

Not proven wrong at all. The poster evaluating Tottenham correctly counted premier league and champions league trophies as more valuable than the FA cup, and other trophies as irrelevant. This is because not all trophies are equal. In the state cup - the U18 trophy is an anomaly - it is not (nearly) as competitive as the other age groups for the reason I mentioned. Therefore - just as no-one in English football ever gave a hoot about the milk cup, nor does anyone care about the U18 state cup.

lol okay... CCL literally prioritizes U18 age group over U19 age group. Want to talk about ECNL teams doing the same?

Nonsense. SYC prioritizes the U18 cup - presumably because they think they stand a chance of winning it, because no-one else enters a team.

Let's compare the two competitions:

1. Only 12 teams entered as compared to 20 which entered the U19 competition.

2. Let's examine the top three U18 CCL clubs (which you claim prioritize the U18 competition) per the league table:
- FC Richmond Magic entered their team in the U19 competition and ignored the U18 competition.
- Skyline entered their team in the U19 competition and ignored the U18 competition.-
- Beach FC entered their team in the U19 competition and ignored the U18 competition.

Note that all three of these clubs are ahead of SYC in the league standings.

3. On the ECNL side
- Arlington entered its first team in the U19 competition, winning it. It entered its second team in the U18 competition.
- McLean entered its first team in the U19 competition, and did not enter the U18 competition.
- Loudoun entered its second team in both competitions.

pwned

[Anonymous]

Why didn’t Arlington enter their top team in State Cup for U18? So they could load up U19?

Nobody says pwned anymore dude, 4Chan is for normies. Only go to TD for the winnage otherwise ewe ghey

[Anonymous]

if it tkaes moor then too minits brush up on Untied Status

Or stop with “pwned”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the fake parent complaining about “coach berating U-littles”:
I don’t believe you.

I’m not saying that the coach wasn’t loud or demanding of his players, but I don’t think you are representing the situation at all in any fair manner.

I frankly don't care if you believe me or not. I'm putting my view out there and conveying what I witnessed. For the record, none of the other coaches in this age group at the tournament displayed anything like this behavior (VYS, McClean, and Alexandria all fielded teams at this tournament), nor did any team that we played the entire fall season -- too many teams to list.

This isn't sour grapes because my son's team lost, nor do I have anything personal against SYC or their coach -- I don't know anything about that other than the game I just witnessed. But our team played the vaunted "Bethesda" team a few weeks ago and got whooped, and I didn't see or hear anything from the Bethesda U9 coach that was so angry or unsettling.

Everyone has a rough game. My son's team played the VYS Red team at this age earlier this season and lost by several goals. While they were up 3+ goals late, I got to watch their coach lose his mind on the ref and a parent get kicked out over a goal kick and interpretation of the build out line and exactly when their kid could run forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the fake parent complaining about “coach berating U-littles”:
I don’t believe you.

I’m not saying that the coach wasn’t loud or demanding of his players, but I don’t think you are representing the situation at all in any fair manner.

I frankly don't care if you believe me or not. I'm putting my view out there and conveying what I witnessed. For the record, none of the other coaches in this age group at the tournament displayed anything like this behavior (VYS, McClean, and Alexandria all fielded teams at this tournament), nor did any team that we played the entire fall season -- too many teams to list.

This isn't sour grapes because my son's team lost, nor do I have anything personal against SYC or their coach -- I don't know anything about that other than the game I just witnessed. But our team played the vaunted "Bethesda" team a few weeks ago and got whooped, and I didn't see or hear anything from the Bethesda U9 coach that was so angry or unsettling.

Everyone has a rough game. My son's team played the VYS Red team at this age earlier this season and lost by several goals. While they were up 3+ goals late, I got to watch their coach lose his mind on the ref and a parent get kicked out over a goal kick and interpretation of the build out line and exactly when their kid could run forward.

A parent got sent off over a goal kick, that is great

[Anonymous]

Is it true SYC’s TD is a former coach from LMVSC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it true SYC’s TD is a former coach from LMVSC?

Yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why didn’t Arlington enter their top team in State Cup for U18? So they could load up U19?

Nobody says pwned anymore dude, 4Chan is for normies. Only go to TD for the winnage otherwise ewe ghey

U18 and U19 is really just one age group. This is a function of the cutoff date switch from school year to birth year. Most of the U19 kids went to college already, but a fraction of them (Sep - Dec birthdays) remain seniors and thus eligible to play on a 2002 team, but not on a 2003 team.

Consequently all clubs have only one first team for the whole U18/U19 age group which is mostly U18s wth a handful of U19s. It is not possible to enter the same team into both competitions since they would have to be in two places at once. Therefore (almost) every club prioritizes the U19 competition. SYC prioritized U18 presumably because they recognized that it was a much weaker competition and they stood a chance of winning.

pwned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it true SYC’s TD is a former coach from LMVSC?

Yes

Along with some of the other directors and the majority of the Blue team coaches. Seems like they are doing well there just like they were at their prior club. There are a bunch of pages on this topic in the lmvsc thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it true SYC’s TD is a former coach from LMVSC?

Yes

Along with some of the other directors and the majority of the Blue team coaches. Seems like they are doing well there just like they were at their prior club. There are a bunch of pages on this topic in the lmvsc thread.

Yes sir