More than 100 dirt bikes and ATVs ride through DC with impunity

[Anonymous]

This will happen next

https://paloaltoonline.com/news/2018/09/24/thieves-take-more-than-100k-in-electronics-from-apple-store

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will happen next

https://paloaltoonline.com/news/2018/09/24/thieves-take-more-than-100k-in-electronics-from-apple-store

Stores in DC know better than to leave expensive things unsecured.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This will happen next

https://paloaltoonline.com/news/2018/09/24/thieves-take-more-than-100k-in-electronics-from-apple-store

Stores in DC know better than to leave expensive things unsecured.

Have you been to the Apple Store @ Carnegie library? This scenario could easily play out the same way there.

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Anonymous wrote:DC does not have a task force for auto crime. They consider it a property crime that insurance can handle. They pretty much consider as much crime as possible in the district an insurance matter that doesnt warrant investigation. My husband was shopping at Giant this week and a bunch of kids ran out with armfuls of TIDE. The responding officer asked the manager what he wanted him to do. Uh...canvas? Pull footage? Solve the crime? Everything that can be paid off by an insurer gets absolutely zero urgency. Not sure why they would care about this group of dirt bike enthusiasts- they have no paradigm for addressing smaller scale or nuisance crime. And yes, someone will get hurt and then they'll be sad.

The entire point of a police force is to keep people safe. Who cares if they stole the bikes? They were endangering human lives on a busy street. This should be a priority for the police.

This creates a lawless atmosphere - which then makes criminals feel that they have more latitude to commit other crimes.

Yes, of course it does..it also causes stress and horror (at times) to law-abiding residents. And raises insurance premiums. But it is the DC philosophy of someone else's money, like our federal handouts I guess?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what are the police supposed to do to stop them? What do you think they should do? I guess you probably think they should be able to shoot them, huh?


They're only committing traffic violations. Not even a misdemeanor criminal offense. What are police supposed to do in your world? Chase them? Shoot them? Beat them like Rodney King?

They're not hurting anyone. The only people they're endangering are themselves.[b] So let them be. If cops chased them, they'd likely get into a crash with some other motorist. I'd sue the police if some kid they were chasing crashed into me trying to get away.


You're only upset because these are groups of black kids on motorcycles. I'll bet you didn't have a problem with rolling thunder.

Do you even drive? If I'm on the highway and these a**holes are riding along, do you think that's safe? It's bad enough when you're late for work, right? But eventually someone is going to get killed or become so irate that s/he becomes a murderer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:" Think about all of the commuters who invade DC every workday with their cars. "

Good point, and WAZE commuters are the worst. Commuting is dumb. Live near work. If anything, young DC residents should have priority. They live here. Commuters don't. Commuters are like the junk mail USPS delivers. Please get rid of them both. If you are a DC resident, commuters are a scourge. Once again DCUM forces me to reconsider an issue whose side I am on I have always taken for granted. Just do something about the noise - DC should supply free mufflers. By the way, I spent some time this summer off the grid in a remote portion of Vermont and it only took a SINGLE dirt bike or ATV, even miles and miles away, to drive me crazy. Everything is relative. I could hear a pin drop up there.

I definitely need my very own planet.

Don't let the space shuttle hatch hit you on your way out.

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Irrelevant.

Why?

Because you don't start arguing about laws you don't like once you've been accused of breaking it. That is not a valid defense in any jurisdiction.

I haven't been accused of breaking any laws about dirt bikes.

I'm asking why dirt bikes should be illegal in DC.

Have you tried googling it and becoming more informed? Or do you prefer ignorance? Many do. Less work that way.

Still no explanation of why dirt bikes (vs the dangerous operation of motor vehicles) should be illegal in DC.

Motor vehicles have to have a licensed driver and a vehicle registration by law. Vehicles have to pass safety inspections, and have fully functioning set of safety equipment. Dirt bikes have literally none of this, and are not permitted in the public domain.

Why couldn't you inform yourself? They are not legal bc they do not conform to the safety requirements for vehicles on a public street. Period.

From a NYT article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/nyregion/dirt-bikes-bike-life-ride.amp.html

Riding a dirt bike is illegal in most cities, and on most public roads, because the bikes don’t have standard safety equipment like headlights and turn signals. On top of that, neighbors complain that the noisy bikes are a dangerous nuisance

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the police supposed to do to stop them? What do you think they should do? I guess you probably think they should be able to shoot them, huh?


They're only committing traffic violations. Not even a misdemeanor criminal offense. What are police supposed to do in your world? Chase them? Shoot them? Beat them like Rodney King?

They're not hurting anyone. The only people they're endangering are themselves.[b] So let them be. If cops chased them, they'd likely get into a crash with some other motorist. I'd sue the police if some kid they were chasing crashed into me trying to get away.


You're only upset because these are groups of black kids on motorcycles. I'll bet you didn't have a problem with rolling thunder.

Do you even drive? If I'm on the highway and these a**holes are riding along, do you think that's safe? It's bad enough when you're late for work, right? But eventually someone is going to get killed or become so irate that s/he becomes a murderer.

Seriously. I have been on the beltway with a group of motorcycle/motorbike/4 wheeler riders. They zipped in between and around cars in the direction of traffic and then turned around and did the same thing against traffic. Cars had to swerve around them and/or slam on their brakes. Bs to “they aren’t hurting anyone.” I feel bad for the drivers who will inadvertently hit these idiots some day.

[Anonymous]

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Motor vehicles have to have a licensed driver and a vehicle registration by law. Vehicles have to pass safety inspections, and have fully functioning set of safety equipment. Dirt bikes have literally none of this, and are not permitted in the public domain.

Why couldn't you inform yourself? They are not legal bc they do not conform to the safety requirements for vehicles on a public street. Period.

From a NYT article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/07/25/nyregion/dirt-bikes-bike-life-ride.amp.html

Riding a dirt bike is illegal in most cities, and on most public roads, because the bikes don’t have standard safety equipment like headlights and turn signals. On top of that, neighbors complain that the noisy bikes are a dangerous nuisance

Require dirt bikes to have a licensed driver, vehicle registration, turn signals, and headlights.

Incidentally, DC does not require safety inspections for motorcycles or mopeds. Maryland does not require safety inspections for mopeds.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the police supposed to do to stop them? What do you think they should do? I guess you probably think they should be able to shoot them, huh?


They're only committing traffic violations. Not even a misdemeanor criminal offense. What are police supposed to do in your world? Chase them? Shoot them? Beat them like Rodney King?

They're not hurting anyone. The only people they're endangering are themselves.[b] So let them be. If cops chased them, they'd likely get into a crash with some other motorist. I'd sue the police if some kid they were chasing crashed into me trying to get away.


You're only upset because these are groups of black kids on motorcycles. I'll bet you didn't have a problem with rolling thunder.

Do you even drive? If I'm on the highway and these a**holes are riding along, do you think that's safe? It's bad enough when you're late for work, right? But eventually someone is going to get killed or become so irate that s/he becomes a murderer.

Seriously. I have been on the beltway with a group of motorcycle/motorbike/4 wheeler riders. They zipped in between and around cars in the direction of traffic and then turned around and did the same thing against traffic. Cars had to swerve around them and/or slam on their brakes. Bs to “they aren’t hurting anyone.” I feel bad for the drivers who will inadvertently hit these idiots some day.

Mainly what terrifies me while I'm driving my car on the Beltway is other car drivers.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the police supposed to do to stop them? What do you think they should do? I guess you probably think they should be able to shoot them, huh?


They're only committing traffic violations. Not even a misdemeanor criminal offense. What are police supposed to do in your world? Chase them? Shoot them? Beat them like Rodney King?

They're not hurting anyone. The only people they're endangering are themselves.[b] So let them be. If cops chased them, they'd likely get into a crash with some other motorist. I'd sue the police if some kid they were chasing crashed into me trying to get away.


You're only upset because these are groups of black kids on motorcycles. I'll bet you didn't have a problem with rolling thunder.

Do you even drive? If I'm on the highway and these a**holes are riding along, do you think that's safe? It's bad enough when you're late for work, right? But eventually someone is going to get killed or become so irate that s/he becomes a murderer.

Seriously. I have been on the beltway with a group of motorcycle/motorbike/4 wheeler riders. They zipped in between and around cars in the direction of traffic and then turned around and did the same thing against traffic. Cars had to swerve around them and/or slam on their brakes. Bs to “they aren’t hurting anyone.” I feel bad for the drivers who will inadvertently hit these idiots some day.

Mainly what terrifies me while I'm driving my car on the Beltway is other car drivers.

Imagine those drivers along with the addition of 20 or so dirt bikes speeding head on towards you on the beltway. Good times.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the police supposed to do to stop them? What do you think they should do? I guess you probably think they should be able to shoot them, huh?


They're only committing traffic violations. Not even a misdemeanor criminal offense. What are police supposed to do in your world? Chase them? Shoot them? Beat them like Rodney King?

They're not hurting anyone. The only people they're endangering are themselves.[b] So let them be. If cops chased them, they'd likely get into a crash with some other motorist. I'd sue the police if some kid they were chasing crashed into me trying to get away.


You're only upset because these are groups of black kids on motorcycles. I'll bet you didn't have a problem with rolling thunder.

Do you even drive? If I'm on the highway and these a**holes are riding along, do you think that's safe? It's bad enough when you're late for work, right? But eventually someone is going to get killed or become so irate that s/he becomes a murderer.

Seriously. I have been on the beltway with a group of motorcycle/motorbike/4 wheeler riders. They zipped in between and around cars in the direction of traffic and then turned around and did the same thing against traffic. Cars had to swerve around them and/or slam on their brakes. Bs to “they aren’t hurting anyone.” I feel bad for the drivers who will inadvertently hit these idiots some day.

Mainly what terrifies me while I'm driving my car on the Beltway is other car drivers.

Imagine those drivers along with the addition of 20 or so dirt bikes speeding head on towards you on the beltway. Good times.

No question. But that's a rare event, whereas the scary drivers are there 24/7/365.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the police supposed to do to stop them? What do you think they should do? I guess you probably think they should be able to shoot them, huh?


They're only committing traffic violations. Not even a misdemeanor criminal offense. What are police supposed to do in your world? Chase them? Shoot them? Beat them like Rodney King?

They're not hurting anyone. The only people they're endangering are themselves.[b] So let them be. If cops chased them, they'd likely get into a crash with some other motorist. I'd sue the police if some kid they were chasing crashed into me trying to get away.


You're only upset because these are groups of black kids on motorcycles. I'll bet you didn't have a problem with rolling thunder.

Do you even drive? If I'm on the highway and these a**holes are riding along, do you think that's safe? It's bad enough when you're late for work, right? But eventually someone is going to get killed or become so irate that s/he becomes a murderer.

Seriously. I have been on the beltway with a group of motorcycle/motorbike/4 wheeler riders. They zipped in between and around cars in the direction of traffic and then turned around and did the same thing against traffic. Cars had to swerve around them and/or slam on their brakes. Bs to “they aren’t hurting anyone.” I feel bad for the drivers who will inadvertently hit these idiots some day.

Mainly what terrifies me while I'm driving my car on the Beltway is other car drivers.

Imagine those drivers along with the addition of 20 or so dirt bikes speeding head on towards you on the beltway. Good times.

No question. But that's a rare event, whereas the scary drivers are there 24/7/365.

The beltway doesn't have drivers equivalent to what these bikes are doing 24/7/365. I spend many hours on the beltway. You're exaggerating to prove a point but most of the time it's too jam packed for a car to do anything close to what these bikes are doing.

Cool story though.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are the police supposed to do to stop them? What do you think they should do? I guess you probably think they should be able to shoot them, huh?


They're only committing traffic violations. Not even a misdemeanor criminal offense. What are police supposed to do in your world? Chase them? Shoot them? Beat them like Rodney King?

They're not hurting anyone. The only people they're endangering are themselves.[b] So let them be. If cops chased them, they'd likely get into a crash with some other motorist. I'd sue the police if some kid they were chasing crashed into me trying to get away.


You're only upset because these are groups of black kids on motorcycles. I'll bet you didn't have a problem with rolling thunder.

Do you even drive? If I'm on the highway and these a**holes are riding along, do you think that's safe? It's bad enough when you're late for work, right? But eventually someone is going to get killed or become so irate that s/he becomes a murderer.

Seriously. I have been on the beltway with a group of motorcycle/motorbike/4 wheeler riders. They zipped in between and around cars in the direction of traffic and then turned around and did the same thing against traffic. Cars had to swerve around them and/or slam on their brakes. Bs to “they aren’t hurting anyone.” I feel bad for the drivers who will inadvertently hit these idiots some day.

Thank you!

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You responded to me.

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The beltway doesn't have drivers equivalent to what these bikes are doing 24/7/365. I spend many hours on the beltway. You're exaggerating to prove a point but most of the time it's too jam packed for a car to do anything close to what these bikes are doing.

Cool story though.

Really? They're there all the time? I've driven on the Beltway and 270 many many times, and I've encountered a reckless group of motorcycle drivers once. Well, maybe twice, if you count a group on their way to Rolling Thunder.