Colleges that do NOT push individual pronouns

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Anonymous wrote:I work in higher ed. This is not a university-wide thing; this is a thing when there are sub-groups and smaller units.

So it's not like UVA will prompt you globally to share your pronouns. It's more like when you join a living-learning program, an email from the director will go around; or if you sign up for a conference, they will prompt it during registration; or when you join a club, an email will get sent around...

This happens in businesses, corporations, nonprofits, etc., OP. When I'm prompted or ask to do so at my institution, I simply don't. I'm never pushed.

OP here. Thank you. A Virginia Tech mom recently wrote an article about all students bearing pronouns on their pre-printed orientation nametags. I'm just curious about how ubiquitous this practice is.

When prompted, some students choose to share that info, and some do not. If you don't enter that information, the name tag will just state your name. What is hard to grasp about this?

^^Plus, sounds like Virginia Tech mom needs to get a life/hobby. My parents certainly never asked or cared what was going on with freaking nametags at my university. If they ever noticed something unusual about my college experiences, they might have been like, "Oh, I see Teeter is no longer a women's-only dorm" in casual conversation; they didn't feel the need to write a "blog" about MY college experience. FFS.

There are a LOT of things about other people I find bizarre. But you know what? It costs me nothing to treat people with basic respect. It costs me nothing to call someone by the name they introduce themselves to me with. It costs me nothing to use their desired pronouns.

You have to pretty much be going out of your way to be exclusionary and harmful not to simply call someone by their preferred name and with their preferred pronouns.



Well why would they? People weren't being asked to state on their name tag as to whether or not their biological sex matched their mental state. This is a new thing, that many people understandably find quite bizzare.

There are a LOT of things about other people I find bizarre. But you know what? It costs me nothing to treat people with basic respect. It costs me nothing to call someone by the name they introduce themselves to me with. It costs me nothing to use their desired pronouns.

You have to pretty much be going out of your way to be exclusionary and harmful not to simply call someone by their preferred name and with their preferred pronouns.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the single stupidest criterion I’ve heard for picking colleges. Get a real problem.

It's not stupid. I don't want my child indoctrinated into thinking that picking your own pronouns is normal. Again, if a person is truly intersex, I understand that this person will have special circumstances.

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I truly think what is stupid is all the colleges that have made "stating your pronouns" to be the norm.

You don't have to if you don't want to; do you get it?

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Anonymous wrote:Such a good point that colleges are preparing students for the future, not their parents' past or comfort zone.

This OP sounds like a home schooler, (or at least that mentality) and their child is probably COUNTING the seconds until they can escape HIS or HER universe.

Colleges are indoctrinating kids to push their very liberal ideals of what the future should be like.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Such a good point that colleges are preparing students for the future, not their parents' past or comfort zone.

This OP sounds like a home schooler, (or at least that mentality) and their child is probably COUNTING the seconds until they can escape HIS or HER universe.

Colleges are indoctrinating kids to push their very liberal ideals of what the future should be like.

So basic human respect and decency is "liberal ideals?"

I think I am seeing what the problem in our society is.

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Anonymous wrote: I attended a SLAC and graduated in 2016. In the final two years, pronouns really picked up steam and at various classes, conferences, & extracurricular activities it was expected that when you say your name, you ask say your pronoun. In fact because they didn’t want to “other” the genderqueer and trans community members, it was considered offensive if you passed or made any comment to the unimportance of yours or others’ pronouns. The hardest part though was that some in the gender queer community changed their preferred pronouns at different points (not just one and done). Then you were expected to know what exactly they went by at the time when they could from as an example she to they to they/he to they to they/she to they.

I cannot possibly be the only person to think this expectation is insane.

You aren't.

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Anonymous wrote:Eh, OP is a troll trying to stir up trouble.

Most college staff and faculty don't worry about "pronouns" they have more important things to do. They will call you by your first name, last name you list when enrolling. Nobody walks around at a university calling everyone Ms. larla or Mr. larlo.

OP here. I really wanted to know what people think. Would some reputable universities in the South (Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, Baylor, SMU, Ole Miss, 'Bama) still assume that most people are binary?

According to my nephew, who just graduated from UNC. UNC is big on having people state their preferred pronouns.

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Anonymous wrote: I attended a SLAC and graduated in 2016. In the final two years, pronouns really picked up steam and at various classes, conferences, & extracurricular activities it was expected that when you say your name, you ask say your pronoun. In fact because they didn’t want to “other” the genderqueer and trans community members, it was considered offensive if you passed or made any comment to the unimportance of yours or others’ pronouns. The hardest part though was that some in the gender queer community changed their preferred pronouns at different points (not just one and done). Then you were expected to know what exactly they went by at the time when they could from as an example she to they to they/he to they to they/she to they.

I cannot possibly be the only person to think this expectation is insane.

You aren't.

It also helps that her story is half made up and half exaggerated hyperbole.

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Anonymous wrote:Just see which colleges teach creationism and you’ll have your list. Is Kentucky Christian still around?

OP. I believe in science. That's why I believe most human beings are either male or female.

MOST being key. Brush up on some new science. I refuse to post the links again but there is legitimate science that shows sex is not as binary as we believed.That's what better tools and technology allow us to discover.

Knowledge is not stagnant. It keeps accumulating. At the turn of the 20th century, people seriously proposed we get rid of the patent office because we thought we had learned everything there was to learn. Clearly wrong.

Do you really think in only a 100 years more we have learned all there is to learn and HOW to learn it?

I went to WAKE FOREST is the 1990s (not a liberal hotbed) and took a sociology class that discussed sexual identity and gender identity was being a spectrum. If Wake was doing this 25 years ago— yeah OP. You’re kind screwed in the keeping your kid away from new ideas depart,ent. Except Liberty or Bob Jones.

Well duh, it was a sociology class. Where do you think all these nutty ideas originate from? And yes, I actually was a sociology major, so I know what I speak of.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the “they” thing passes. I am not going to engage in this overly sensitive pronoun stupidity.

It’s your right to be grandpa on the lawn yelling at people who pass by. Trans people being out isn’t going to pass. Because the world does move backwards. And in other news, gay people aren’t heading back in the closet because they make you uncomfortable. Deal with the 21st century or don’t. Your call.

But why does there have to be a portion of trans people who insist on being called they?

[Anonymous]

My friend who is a New York City banker took his son on
a tour of a top college campus that is in the south and
frequently discussed on this forum.

This campus was the son's number one choice. The guide
for the campus tour was a paid assistant at the Admissions Office.

A major part of the campus tour was this pronoun discussion and GLBT life on campus. (No one on the tour asked questions about the GLBT lifestyle on campus, nor seemed interested in it.) The paid assistant and also decision maker at the Admissions office lives the GLBT lifestyle. The paid assistant also
launched into a pretty extensive discussion about
slavery reparations and possible responsibility of the students for future slavery reparations (college not Georgetown).

Dad was surprised that a member of the GLBT lifestyle
was selected to represent the college and was surprised
that all of this alternative lifestyle stuff was shoved in their
face on a group tour particularly since members of the
GLBT lifestyle make up such a small percentage of the
population.

This college is considered to be a conservative
Southern college, top tier.

Son found the pronoun stuff, GLBT indoctrination as to
the lifestyle presence on campus etc to be extremely
bizarre.

Son took this college off of his list and will most likely be going to Notre Dame now.

I believe colleges and community colleges that do not
push the individual pronouns are the exception nowadays.

You probably need to go to one of the Mormon colleges,
Catholic and/or small Christian colleges. At some
of the Catholic colleges however some of the GLBT agenda
is pretty in your face.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the “they” thing passes. I am not going to engage in this overly sensitive pronoun stupidity.

It’s your right to be grandpa on the lawn yelling at people who pass by. Trans people being out isn’t going to pass. Because the world does move backwards. And in other news, gay people aren’t heading back in the closet because they make you uncomfortable. Deal with the 21st century or don’t. Your call.

And conservatives will not submit to LGBT fascism/delusion. Deal with it

+1.

And, in this regard, 95% of humans are conservative, so this dumb fad will simply dissapear, just as the USSR did.

+100. In the real world, most people think the idea of a person not really being a man or woman, or wanting to be referred to as a "they" is crazy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Such a good point that colleges are preparing students for the future, not their parents' past or comfort zone.

This OP sounds like a home schooler, (or at least that mentality) and their child is probably COUNTING the seconds until they can escape HIS or HER universe.

Colleges are indoctrinating kids to push their very liberal ideals of what the future should be like.

Yes, kindness and respect for others is just horrible. You poor snowflakes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the “they” thing passes. I am not going to engage in this overly sensitive pronoun stupidity.

It’s your right to be grandpa on the lawn yelling at people who pass by. Trans people being out isn’t going to pass. Because the world does move backwards. And in other news, gay people aren’t heading back in the closet because they make you uncomfortable. Deal with the 21st century or don’t. Your call.

But why does there have to be a portion of trans people who insist on being called they?

Why does it bother you? In what capacity is this infringing on your life in such as way that you care? I am being serious, not confrontational. People keep saying things like "I won't indulge their delusion," and "it's a mental illness," but that is not an answer.

Does pronoun usage on rare occasions so atively impact your life and hurt you that you need to spend more than a second thinking if it?

And FWIW< "they" in the trans community is a holdover. It was just an easy replacement."They" is mostly used in the non binary community now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So homophobic is now a synonym for non-liberal. Got it.

No, I think the two have always gone hand in hand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My friend who is a New York City banker took his son on
a tour of a top college campus that is in the south and
frequently discussed on this forum.

This campus was the son's number one choice. The guide
for the campus tour was a paid assistant at the Admissions Office.

A major part of the campus tour was this pronoun discussion and GLBT life on campus. (No one on the tour asked questions about the GLBT lifestyle on campus, nor seemed interested in it.) The paid assistant and also decision maker at the Admissions office lives the GLBT lifestyle. The paid assistant also
launched into a pretty extensive discussion about
slavery reparations and possible responsibility of the students for future slavery reparations (college not Georgetown).

Dad was surprised that a member of the GLBT lifestyle
was selected to represent the college and was surprised
that all of this alternative lifestyle stuff was shoved in their
face on a group tour particularly since members of the
GLBT lifestyle make up such a small percentage of the
population.

This college is considered to be a conservative
Southern college, top tier.

Son found the pronoun stuff, GLBT indoctrination as to
the lifestyle presence on campus etc to be extremely
bizarre.

Son took this college off of his list and will most likely be going to Notre Dame now.

I believe colleges and community colleges that do not
push the individual pronouns are the exception nowadays.

You probably need to go to one of the Mormon colleges,
Catholic and/or small Christian colleges. At some
of the Catholic colleges however some of the GLBT agenda
is pretty in your face.

How is it "in your face"; did anyone try to like, recruit the son to become gay?

How is a member of the LGBTQ community existing and holding a leadership position on campus a problem?

How is it "pushing" to ask ONCE if someone wants to share their pronouns? (I work on a college campus. This is how it goes. You fill out forms and are asked ONCE if you want to share. In person, you might be asked ONCE if you want to share. If you don't want to share, you don't, and that's the end of that.)

How is any of this "indoctrinating" anyone to anything?

I work on a college campus. When requests come around to share pronouns in some way, I simply choose not to. I have never been pushed or forced. Some people choose to put it in their email signatures; I do not. I have yet to be tarred and feathered.

Again, some more: it's like there's a field for you to put in a suffix, if you care to share. That's not INDOCTRINATING anyone to try to force them to put "junior" or "the III" after their name; the field is there if you need/want it, but you don't have to fill it in. Move on with your damn day. Really.