Stop the FCV (DA) and McLean (ECNL) hate

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are stuck on stupid!

What "top" college is going to DA and not ECNL? You think "top" colleges are scouting one league? Do you not understand your failed logic?

Please respond with the colleges.

Compare the two lists yourself.

Start with the finalists. UNC and FSU not on ecnl list. Continue from there. I guess the stupid ones are able to read lists.

McLean has a unc commit and a Florida State commit. PDA is a regional showcase. It isn’t a national event. Get over yourself and your daughter’s league.

Commitments made before GDA existed. McLean was the premier club in the ECNL before the GDA now they are in the tier 2 league. Their mistake.

Florida State commitment was this year. The point is you can get recruited in either platform.

This guy is a nobody. He doesnt even understand the market. True goof ball.

You’re right I’m a goofball. keep flying that DA flag. You do realize it’s just a league? Ecnl is just a league too. Good players will get recruited wherever they go. The fsu kid came to McLean from Arlington. Superb player. Would’ve been heavily recruited no matter where she was playing. Go away sock puppet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are stuck on stupid!

What "top" college is going to DA and not ECNL? You think "top" colleges are scouting one league? Do you not understand your failed logic?

Please respond with the colleges.

Compare the two lists yourself.

Start with the finalists. UNC and FSU not on ecnl list. Continue from there. I guess the stupid ones are able to read lists.

UNC and FSU also do not appear on the DA showcase list, genius!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are stuck on stupid!

What "top" college is going to DA and not ECNL? You think "top" colleges are scouting one league? Do you not understand your failed logic?

Please respond with the colleges.

Compare the two lists yourself.

Start with the finalists. UNC and FSU not on ecnl list. Continue from there. I guess the stupid ones are able to read lists.

McLean has a unc commit and a Florida State commit. PDA is a regional showcase. It isn’t a national event. Get over yourself and your daughter’s league.

Commitments made before GDA existed. McLean was the premier club in the ECNL before the GDA now they are in the tier 2 league. Their mistake.

Florida State commitment was this year. The point is you can get recruited in either platform.

This guy is a nobody. He doesnt even understand the market. True goof ball.

You’re right I’m a goofball. keep flying that DA flag. You do realize it’s just a league? Ecnl is just a league too. Good players will get recruited wherever they go. The fsu kid came to McLean from Arlington. Superb player. Would’ve been heavily recruited no matter where she was playing. Go away sock puppet.

I'm on your side. I'm calling the DA poster a goof ball.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?”

The answer is that McLean produced several. FCV none, but had some really strong teams too. McLean regularly beat FCV and was the superior ECNL club back when there were only these two elite teams and ECNL was the only game in town. Currently, at the DA/ECNL level for girls ages 05 and older, FCV has the best local teams and players overall and a few of their older age group da teams have a solid chance of winning at da nationals later this month. The rest of FCV teams (non DA) and their boys side is nothing special compared to all the other local clubs. Currently McLean has a few “near the top” ECNL teams that will also compete at nationals later this month. They will not win any. McLean’s non-ECNL teams are also nothing special. So two conclusions:

A) the dilution argument is correct in that McLean’s top teams have been dilluted by Arlington DA, MU DA, and BRYC ECNL and to a lesser degree due to geography, Loudoun ECNL and VDA ECNL. FCV’s DA program at the older kids level is as strong as it ever was due to two reasons: 1) the allure of the DA platform; 2) the fact they merged with Loudoun in 2017 in the shared DA approach, then split off, taking their best players in the process ... hence getting the best FCV and Loudoun players in the process. However, the dilution affect is already impacting FCV dominance at the elite level at the 06 and younger levels and will continue to do so.

B) Most kid’s don’t play DA or ECNL. For those kids, playing at FCV or McLean offers no advantages over other clubs (unless their practice fields are close to home) and in the case of FCV, due to their staff’s obsessive focus on the top girls teams only, their shoddy administration, and their bait and switch tactics on coaches for the non-da teams, is a place to avoid if possible.

Finally, college coaches and recruiting. Yes, the teams with the better records will be watched more and those in DA with better records will be watched the most. However a high performing ECNL team will get watched more than a poor performing DA team on average. Either way with more da and ECNL teams there are more local girls than ever getting some exposure, but each exposure is more dilluted due to the overall increase in teams since a coach / scout can only be in one place at a time.

Go check the coach attendance. It’s great for both. You’re fools if you think one league gets more college exposure than the other. It comes down to teams.

That’s what I just said above. Dumb ass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Before the existence of two national leagues, exactly how many National Champion teams did both clubs produce?”

The answer is that McLean produced several. FCV none, but had some really strong teams too. McLean regularly beat FCV and was the superior ECNL club back when there were only these two elite teams and ECNL was the only game in town. Currently, at the DA/ECNL level for girls ages 05 and older, FCV has the best local teams and players overall and a few of their older age group da teams have a solid chance of winning at da nationals later this month. The rest of FCV teams (non DA) and their boys side is nothing special compared to all the other local clubs. Currently McLean has a few “near the top” ECNL teams that will also compete at nationals later this month. They will not win any. McLean’s non-ECNL teams are also nothing special. So two conclusions:

A) the dilution argument is correct in that McLean’s top teams have been dilluted by Arlington DA, MU DA, and BRYC ECNL and to a lesser degree due to geography, Loudoun ECNL and VDA ECNL. FCV’s DA program at the older kids level is as strong as it ever was due to two reasons: 1) the allure of the DA platform; 2) the fact they merged with Loudoun in 2017 in the shared DA approach, then split off, taking their best players in the process ... hence getting the best FCV and Loudoun players in the process. However, the dilution affect is already impacting FCV dominance at the elite level at the 06 and younger levels and will continue to do so.

B) Most kid’s don’t play DA or ECNL. For those kids, playing at FCV or McLean offers no advantages over other clubs (unless their practice fields are close to home) and in the case of FCV, due to their staff’s obsessive focus on the top girls teams only, their shoddy administration, and their bait and switch tactics on coaches for the non-da teams, is a place to avoid if possible.

Finally, college coaches and recruiting. Yes, the teams with the better records will be watched more and those in DA with better records will be watched the most. However a high performing ECNL team will get watched more than a poor performing DA team on average. Either way with more da and ECNL teams there are more local girls than ever getting some exposure, but each exposure is more dilluted due to the overall increase in teams since a coach / scout can only be in one place at a time.

Thank you to the BRYC coach or delusional parent that clearly spends too much time on this site. Claiming that McLean is losing players to BRYC is ludicrous. BRYC’S recent recruiting attempts and numbers tell it all.

That’s all you took away from this post? Man, your stupid.

[Anonymous]

Are we getting to caught up in DA/ECNL? I agree that either league offers a player to practice with against other elite players on a regular basis, great coaching and exposure to top schools and national team scouts. But are you going to tell me that colleges will not recruit a superstar player who only plays HS? That sounds absurd. What if the player is focused on football, lacrosse, basketball or track but plays for the HS team and stands out? Are you telling me that a coach at Stanfor, UMD or other stop program will not know about that player? I heard that there is a Freshman female player at a DC private school who won Gatorade Player of the Year. Are coaches never going to contact her?

I agree that the marginal player will benefit from participation in the DA/ECNL but coaches will always find the superstar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we getting to caught up in DA/ECNL? I agree that either league offers a player to practice with against other elite players on a regular basis, great coaching and exposure to top schools and national team scouts. But are you going to tell me that colleges will not recruit a superstar player who only plays HS? That sounds absurd. What if the player is focused on football, lacrosse, basketball or track but plays for the HS team and stands out? Are you telling me that a coach at Stanfor, UMD or other stop program will not know about that player? I heard that there is a Freshman female player at a DC private school who won Gatorade Player of the Year. Are coaches never going to contact her?

I agree that the marginal player will benefit from participation in the DA/ECNL but coaches will always find the superstar.

It’s easy to be the “superstar” when you’re playing rec level competition.

That doesn’t make a player special.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we getting to caught up in DA/ECNL? I agree that either league offers a player to practice with against other elite players on a regular basis, great coaching and exposure to top schools and national team scouts. But are you going to tell me that colleges will not recruit a superstar player who only plays HS? That sounds absurd. What if the player is focused on football, lacrosse, basketball or track but plays for the HS team and stands out? Are you telling me that a coach at Stanfor, UMD or other stop program will not know about that player? I heard that there is a Freshman female player at a DC private school who won Gatorade Player of the Year. Are coaches never going to contact her?

I agree that the marginal player will benefit from participation in the DA/ECNL but coaches will always find the superstar.

The conversation is not about boys soccer.

What Soccer super star only plays HS soccer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we getting to caught up in DA/ECNL? I agree that either league offers a player to practice with against other elite players on a regular basis, great coaching and exposure to top schools and national team scouts. But are you going to tell me that colleges will not recruit a superstar player who only plays HS? That sounds absurd. What if the player is focused on football, lacrosse, basketball or track but plays for the HS team and stands out? Are you telling me that a coach at Stanfor, UMD or other stop program will not know about that player? I heard that there is a Freshman female player at a DC private school who won Gatorade Player of the Year. Are coaches never going to contact her?

I agree that the marginal player will benefit from participation in the DA/ECNL but coaches will always find the superstar.

She won play of the year in DC. Cool your jets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are stuck on stupid!

What "top" college is going to DA and not ECNL? You think "top" colleges are scouting one league? Do you not understand your failed logic?

Please respond with the colleges.

Compare the two lists yourself.

Start with the finalists. UNC and FSU not on ecnl list. Continue from there. I guess the stupid ones are able to read lists.

UNC and FSU also do not appear on the DA showcase list, genius!

That list is still in progress - event isn't for another 6 days.

UNC and FSU and Stanford for that matter were all at the Winter GDA showcase in Bradenton. Head coaches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are we getting to caught up in DA/ECNL? I agree that either league offers a player to practice with against other elite players on a regular basis, great coaching and exposure to top schools and national team scouts. But are you going to tell me that colleges will not recruit a superstar player who only plays HS? That sounds absurd. What if the player is focused on football, lacrosse, basketball or track but plays for the HS team and stands out? Are you telling me that a coach at Stanfor, UMD or other stop program will not know about that player? I heard that there is a Freshman female player at a DC private school who won Gatorade Player of the Year. Are coaches never going to contact her?

I agree that the marginal player will benefit from participation in the DA/ECNL but coaches will always find the superstar.

If you think a player can only play HS soccer today and be a superstar, you might as well play the powerball. Not only is there little to no development in HS from coaches that know very little about training, the surrounding players are not going to provide a challenge for that player to allow that player to get to a superstar level. It would be like finding a unicorn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are stuck on stupid!

What "top" college is going to DA and not ECNL? You think "top" colleges are scouting one league? Do you not understand your failed logic?

Please respond with the colleges.

Compare the two lists yourself.

Start with the finalists. UNC and FSU not on ecnl list. Continue from there. I guess the stupid ones are able to read lists.

McLean has a unc commit and a Florida State commit. PDA is a regional showcase. It isn’t a national event. Get over yourself and your daughter’s league.

Commitments made before GDA existed. McLean was the premier club in the ECNL before the GDA now they are in the tier 2 league. Their mistake.

Florida State commitment was this year. The point is you can get recruited in either platform.

This guy is a nobody. He doesnt even understand the market. True goof ball.

You’re right I’m a goofball. keep flying that DA flag. You do realize it’s just a league? Ecnl is just a league too. Good players will get recruited wherever they go. The fsu kid came to McLean from Arlington. Superb player. Would’ve been heavily recruited no matter where she was playing. Go away sock puppet.

Is it really that hard to understand that the GDA is only in season 2? The top-level current seniors and juniors in HS were already well into the recruiting phase and were already involved in HS soccer before the GDA launched. 04 and younger, the GDA is a destination and 03 will be interesting in the year coming up especially now that the 04s and 03s (U16s and U17s) have their own age-group in the DA.

Furthermore, whatever gap the top 03 ECNL team had on the GDA (talking to you BRYC) has shrunk or disappeared. Hell, even McLean 03 have caught BRYC because Nadir runs it like a DA. Development matters. So when you play to win and you're not developing players, other players catch up and pass. ECNL teams that are run like a DA with developmental coaches get the benefit of development.

Finally, I love the tough guy posts demanding that people post their age group and team without doing it themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are stuck on stupid!

What "top" college is going to DA and not ECNL? You think "top" colleges are scouting one league? Do you not understand your failed logic?

Please respond with the colleges.

Compare the two lists yourself.

Start with the finalists. UNC and FSU not on ecnl list. Continue from there. I guess the stupid ones are able to read lists.

McLean has a unc commit and a Florida State commit. PDA is a regional showcase. It isn’t a national event. Get over yourself and your daughter’s league.

Commitments made before GDA existed. McLean was the premier club in the ECNL before the GDA now they are in the tier 2 league. Their mistake.

Florida State commitment was this year. The point is you can get recruited in either platform.

This guy is a nobody. He doesnt even understand the market. True goof ball.

You’re right I’m a goofball. keep flying that DA flag. You do realize it’s just a league? Ecnl is just a league too. Good players will get recruited wherever they go. The fsu kid came to McLean from Arlington. Superb player. Would’ve been heavily recruited no matter where she was playing. Go away sock puppet.

Is it really that hard to understand that the GDA is only in season 2? The top-level current seniors and juniors in HS were already well into the recruiting phase and were already involved in HS soccer before the GDA launched. 04 and younger, the GDA is a destination and 03 will be interesting in the year coming up especially now that the 04s and 03s (U16s and U17s) have their own age-group in the DA.

Furthermore, whatever gap the top 03 ECNL team had on the GDA (talking to you BRYC) has shrunk or disappeared. Hell, even McLean 03 have caught BRYC because Nadir runs it like a DA. Development matters. So when you play to win and you're not developing players, other players catch up and pass. ECNL teams that are run like a DA with developmental coaches get the benefit of development.

Finally, I love the tough guy posts demanding that people post their age group and team without doing it themselves.

What do you mean by “runs it like a DA”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are stuck on stupid!

What "top" college is going to DA and not ECNL? You think "top" colleges are scouting one league? Do you not understand your failed logic?

Please respond with the colleges.

Compare the two lists yourself.

Start with the finalists. UNC and FSU not on ecnl list. Continue from there. I guess the stupid ones are able to read lists.

McLean has a unc commit and a Florida State commit. PDA is a regional showcase. It isn’t a national event. Get over yourself and your daughter’s league.

Commitments made before GDA existed. McLean was the premier club in the ECNL before the GDA now they are in the tier 2 league. Their mistake.

Florida State commitment was this year. The point is you can get recruited in either platform.

This guy is a nobody. He doesnt even understand the market. True goof ball.

You’re right I’m a goofball. keep flying that DA flag. You do realize it’s just a league? Ecnl is just a league too. Good players will get recruited wherever they go. The fsu kid came to McLean from Arlington. Superb player. Would’ve been heavily recruited no matter where she was playing. Go away sock puppet.

Is it really that hard to understand that the GDA is only in season 2? The top-level current seniors and juniors in HS were already well into the recruiting phase and were already involved in HS soccer before the GDA launched. 04 and younger, the GDA is a destination and 03 will be interesting in the year coming up especially now that the 04s and 03s (U16s and U17s) have their own age-group in the DA.

Furthermore, whatever gap the top 03 ECNL team had on the GDA (talking to you BRYC) has shrunk or disappeared. Hell, even McLean 03 have caught BRYC because Nadir runs it like a DA. Development matters. So when you play to win and you're not developing players, other players catch up and pass. ECNL teams that are run like a DA with developmental coaches get the benefit of development.

Finally, I love the tough guy posts demanding that people post their age group and team without doing it themselves.

You're still stuck on stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are stuck on stupid!

What "top" college is going to DA and not ECNL? You think "top" colleges are scouting one league? Do you not understand your failed logic?

Please respond with the colleges.

Compare the two lists yourself.

Start with the finalists. UNC and FSU not on ecnl list. Continue from there. I guess the stupid ones are able to read lists.

McLean has a unc commit and a Florida State commit. PDA is a regional showcase. It isn’t a national event. Get over yourself and your daughter’s league.

Commitments made before GDA existed. McLean was the premier club in the ECNL before the GDA now they are in the tier 2 league. Their mistake.

Florida State commitment was this year. The point is you can get recruited in either platform.

This guy is a nobody. He doesnt even understand the market. True goof ball.

You’re right I’m a goofball. keep flying that DA flag. You do realize it’s just a league? Ecnl is just a league too. Good players will get recruited wherever they go. The fsu kid came to McLean from Arlington. Superb player. Would’ve been heavily recruited no matter where she was playing. Go away sock puppet.

Is it really that hard to understand that the GDA is only in season 2? The top-level current seniors and juniors in HS were already well into the recruiting phase and were already involved in HS soccer before the GDA launched. 04 and younger, the GDA is a destination and 03 will be interesting in the year coming up especially now that the 04s and 03s (U16s and U17s) have their own age-group in the DA.

Furthermore, whatever gap the top 03 ECNL team had on the GDA (talking to you BRYC) has shrunk or disappeared. Hell, even McLean 03 have caught BRYC because Nadir runs it like a DA. Development matters. So when you play to win and you're not developing players, other players catch up and pass. ECNL teams that are run like a DA with developmental coaches get the benefit of development.

Finally, I love the tough guy posts demanding that people post their age group and team without doing it themselves.

What do you mean by “runs it like a DA”

Difference between DA and ECNL is the ability to play or not play High School. McLean encourages players to play high school. There is no separation of high school vs non high school players.