Stop the FCV (DA) and McLean (ECNL) hate

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we getting to caught up in DA/ECNL? I agree that either league offers a player to practice with against other elite players on a regular basis, great coaching and exposure to top schools and national team scouts. But are you going to tell me that colleges will not recruit a superstar player who only plays HS? That sounds absurd. What if the player is focused on football, lacrosse, basketball or track but plays for the HS team and stands out? Are you telling me that a coach at Stanfor, UMD or other stop program will not know about that player? I heard that there is a Freshman female player at a DC private school who won Gatorade Player of the Year. Are coaches never going to contact her?

I agree that the marginal player will benefit from participation in the DA/ECNL but coaches will always find the superstar.

If you think a player can only play HS soccer today and be a superstar, you might as well play the powerball. Not only is there little to no development in HS from coaches that know very little about training, the surrounding players are not going to provide a challenge for that player to allow that player to get to a superstar level. It would be like finding a unicorn.

I just gave you an example. If a freshman can lead a league full of ECNL players and when player of the year without playing elite club soccer, then your theory has already been disproven. Next!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we getting to caught up in DA/ECNL? I agree that either league offers a player to practice with against other elite players on a regular basis, great coaching and exposure to top schools and national team scouts. But are you going to tell me that colleges will not recruit a superstar player who only plays HS? That sounds absurd. What if the player is focused on football, lacrosse, basketball or track but plays for the HS team and stands out? Are you telling me that a coach at Stanfor, UMD or other stop program will not know about that player? I heard that there is a Freshman female player at a DC private school who won Gatorade Player of the Year. Are coaches never going to contact her?

I agree that the marginal player will benefit from participation in the DA/ECNL but coaches will always find the superstar.

If you think a player can only play HS soccer today and be a superstar, you might as well play the powerball. Not only is there little to no development in HS from coaches that know very little about training, the surrounding players are not going to provide a challenge for that player to allow that player to get to a superstar level. It would be like finding a unicorn.

I just gave you an example. If a freshman can lead a league full of ECNL players and when player of the year without playing elite club soccer, then your theory has already been disproven. Next!

Or it shows how weak HS soccer is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we getting to caught up in DA/ECNL? I agree that either league offers a player to practice with against other elite players on a regular basis, great coaching and exposure to top schools and national team scouts. But are you going to tell me that colleges will not recruit a superstar player who only plays HS? That sounds absurd. What if the player is focused on football, lacrosse, basketball or track but plays for the HS team and stands out? Are you telling me that a coach at Stanfor, UMD or other stop program will not know about that player? I heard that there is a Freshman female player at a DC private school who won Gatorade Player of the Year. Are coaches never going to contact her?

I agree that the marginal player will benefit from participation in the DA/ECNL but coaches will always find the superstar.

If you think a player can only play HS soccer today and be a superstar, you might as well play the powerball. Not only is there little to no development in HS from coaches that know very little about training, the surrounding players are not going to provide a challenge for that player to allow that player to get to a superstar level. It would be like finding a unicorn.

I just gave you an example. If a freshman can lead a league full of ECNL players and when player of the year without playing elite club soccer, then your theory has already been disproven. Next!

Full of ecnl players? You’re crazy. Go away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we getting to caught up in DA/ECNL? I agree that either league offers a player to practice with against other elite players on a regular basis, great coaching and exposure to top schools and national team scouts. But are you going to tell me that colleges will not recruit a superstar player who only plays HS? That sounds absurd. What if the player is focused on football, lacrosse, basketball or track but plays for the HS team and stands out? Are you telling me that a coach at Stanfor, UMD or other stop program will not know about that player? I heard that there is a Freshman female player at a DC private school who won Gatorade Player of the Year. Are coaches never going to contact her?

I agree that the marginal player will benefit from participation in the DA/ECNL but coaches will always find the superstar.

If you think a player can only play HS soccer today and be a superstar, you might as well play the powerball. Not only is there little to no development in HS from coaches that know very little about training, the surrounding players are not going to provide a challenge for that player to allow that player to get to a superstar level. It would be like finding a unicorn.

That is exactly what we are telling you. Nobody is getting recruited through high school soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we getting to caught up in DA/ECNL? I agree that either league offers a player to practice with against other elite players on a regular basis, great coaching and exposure to top schools and national team scouts. But are you going to tell me that colleges will not recruit a superstar player who only plays HS? That sounds absurd. What if the player is focused on football, lacrosse, basketball or track but plays for the HS team and stands out? Are you telling me that a coach at Stanfor, UMD or other stop program will not know about that player? I heard that there is a Freshman female player at a DC private school who won Gatorade Player of the Year. Are coaches never going to contact her?

I agree that the marginal player will benefit from participation in the DA/ECNL but coaches will always find the superstar.

If you think a player can only play HS soccer today and be a superstar, you might as well play the powerball. Not only is there little to no development in HS from coaches that know very little about training, the surrounding players are not going to provide a challenge for that player to allow that player to get to a superstar level. It would be like finding a unicorn.

That is exactly what we are telling you. Nobody is getting recruited through high school soccer.

You guys have to be complete morons.

All I have to say is that a non-ECNL player who does not play club soccer won DC Gatorade Player of the Year in DC, beating out ECNL players in DC private school leagues including one player heading to Harvard and last years DC player of the Year who is also on the Youth National team.

You idiots are going to tell me that UNC, Duke or Stanford are not going to reach out to such a player? Get real!

Then whar does it say that a freshman at Sidwell can outscore and outplay the 30+ ECNL players

[Anonymous]

do you think people at gatorade really know what is going in in 50 states? come on.

[Anonymous]

Shes the DC Gatorade player of the year.
Shes a stud athlete in multiple sports and can easily be recruited top D1

T

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Shes the DC Gatorade player of the year.
Shes a stud athlete in multiple sports and can easily be recruited top D1

T

I am sure basketball is significantly helping the attention because she is top level basketball player.

If the only soccer she plays for the rest of her HS is 3 months of Sidwell, she will not develop into an elite soccer player. She will be an elite athlete that plays soccer. But there will certainly be colleges that will recruit athletes they believe can help them on the soccer field.

The argument is what exactly here? That you can get recruited playing high school soccer only? In rare instances yes. But these exceptional athletes will hit a level at which athleticism is not enough. Soccer specific skills are necessary and those are not being developed in 3 months of HS soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shes the DC Gatorade player of the year.
Shes a stud athlete in multiple sports and can easily be recruited top D1

T

I am sure basketball is significantly helping the attention because she is top level basketball player.

If the only soccer she plays for the rest of her HS is 3 months of Sidwell, she will not develop into an elite soccer player. She will be an elite athlete that plays soccer. But there will certainly be colleges that will recruit athletes they believe can help them on the soccer field.

The argument is what exactly here? That you can get recruited playing high school soccer only? In rare instances yes. But these exceptional athletes will hit a level at which athleticism is not enough. Soccer specific skills are necessary and those are not being developed in 3 months of HS soccer.

The argument is whether elite colleges will recruit her. I argue that they will. If she can score 40+ goals against reasonable competition which ECNL-trained players can't come close to doing then I don't understand how anyone can argue contrary.

[Anonymous]

You guys have to be complete morons.

All I have to say is that a non-ECNL player who does not play club soccer won DC Gatorade Player of the Year in DC, beating out ECNL players in DC private school leagues including one player heading to Harvard and last years DC player of the Year who is also on the Youth National team.

You idiots are going to tell me that UNC, Duke or Stanford are not going to reach out to such a player? Get real!

Then whar does it say that a freshman at Sidwell can outscore and outplay the 30+ ECNL players

Using the Sidwell player as an example is ineffective. She is a great athlete, no question, but that does not mean she is truly a great soccer player (though it may mean that she scored a lot of goals against mostly weak competition). The critical fact that you are missing is that Gatorade only considers players who were nominated by their coach. My daughter’s school has many ECNL players but the coach did not want to deal with the hassle of nominating. There is absolutely no question that the player from WIS who is going to Harvard - mentioned above - is likely the best player in DC by every metric. I have seen her play multiple times. Anyone with any knowledge of the game would recognize her superiority; her skills and vision are in a different level, and my daughter told me she is now on the Italian national team. I assume her coach is not aware of the Gatorade process or chose not to nominate her, or maybe her school plays in a league that is just too small. In any event, I would be completely shocked if UNC, Duke or Stanford was recruiting anyone just because of Gatorade honors.

[Anonymous]

Along with the point made above, Gatorade only knows what is included in an application. They don’t actually watch these kids play, so saying someone “beat out” another player and suggesting it is based on merits as a player is ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Along with the point made above, Gatorade only knows what is included in an application. They don’t actually watch these kids play, so saying someone “beat out” another player and suggesting it is based on merits as a player is ridiculous.

Yeah but meathead know-it-all dad said that she is the best in the area - better than all ECNL girls.

[Anonymous]

Well if there a certainty with DMV soccer AND this board, most don't know half of what they think they know and even less than they think.

[Anonymous]

I am not touting the freshman but only making a point that contradicts the argument here that an HS player or non-ECNL will not get recruited by top schools.

I don't care what metric you use i.e. Gatorade Player of the Year or Washington Post All-Met. The reality is that a freshman at Sildwell (not known for soccer compared to SJC, GC, McDonough) playing in a league that may or may not be competitive, made All-met and won the Gatorade award on the back of scoring 40+ goals and leading her team to the DC title. You are a fool if you believe that top college coaches are not going to take notice. Again, the player who won last year was an ECNL player on the YNT. That player got beat out this year by the freshman.

I know that there are plenty of folks on this board who are paying tens of thousands so DD can play ECNL. Your money is well spent but that does not take away from the fact that a stand-out player who only plays HS will get recruited by top programs.

You can bet that given the network of scouts and affiliates these programs, someone will get ahold of a programs' head coach about this player.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not touting the freshman but only making a point that contradicts the argument here that an HS player or non-ECNL will not get recruited by top schools.

I don't care what metric you use i.e. Gatorade Player of the Year or Washington Post All-Met. The reality is that a freshman at Sildwell (not known for soccer compared to SJC, GC, McDonough) playing in a league that may or may not be competitive, made All-met and won the Gatorade award on the back of scoring 40+ goals and leading her team to the DC title. You are a fool if you believe that top college coaches are not going to take notice. Again, the player who won last year was an ECNL player on the YNT. That player got beat out this year by the freshman.

I know that there are plenty of folks on this board who are paying tens of thousands so DD can play ECNL. Your money is well spent but that does not take away from the fact that a stand-out player who only plays HS will get recruited by top programs.

You can bet that given the network of scouts and affiliates these programs, someone will get ahold of a programs' head coach about this player.

LOL. So a top basketball athlete who also plays soccer is being recruited by D1 schools and this requires some kind of news flash from you?

As PPs have said, this is the exception and not the rule. For the 99%, DA or ECNL are the best way. For the unicorners, yes, they don’t need the platform because they create their own. Again, since it seems to be an ignored point, the number of these is so small you can be assured your kid isn’t one of them.