Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?

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Arlington, Va.
The same house will cost more there but the income taxes will be significantly less and the APs Admin has a ton of common sense, solicits feedback from taxpayers, and a fraction of the BS MCPS has.
Plus their county and state is much healthier than MoCO and Md, which has been driven into the ground the last 15 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Private like the rest of our neighbors.

DC Private school applications were up 20% in volume this year. Yikes.

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Anonymous wrote:You people just love white people

Whatever. I’m black and going Catholic (and the Catholic school has plenty of black kids).

Very true. It’s a good value too.

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is about people freaking out about MCPS conducting a study to see if we could optimize the present boundaries. And already people are thinking about moving. So dumb.

+1 Ridiculous people.

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The problem is if people don't stay in decent numbers. That would cause a reduction in property and income tax collected, which would hurt on a county and state level. Many of the wealthier folks in the county live quite close to VA and/or DC, making a move relatively less disruptive to their lives than other situations where people threaten to pack up and go.

Even if people don't leave, we are already seeing more people of means choosing Va or DC, causing MoCo property values (and therefore tax collections) lag surrounding areas.

I'm having real trouble squaring "we're smart, and our kids are smart" with "panic!!!! we're moving to [somewhere where the grass is greener!"

Smart and rich aren't the same, but I agree with your broader point. I don't think people will leave over this per se. But there has been a general trend where certain things, including schools, have deteriorated and it seems the county is focused almost exclusively on the interest of other parts of the county, viewing certain parts as little more than a piggy bank. As more steps are taken along these lines, including potential boundary changes, the cumulative effect could cause people to leave and we are already seeing fewer people with means come.

Agree. We just hired a ton of people from out of state for our bethesda office. I was surprised but they actually did tours of the ES and MS in all areas and only 1 family of 4 choose Montgomery County, MD. They said, and I quote, the teachers were too young in the ES, the school schedule was missing daily specials and subject and only had vey large nicks of reading and math, and the morale seemed low. When they found out there was it really “ no curriculum, a couple just laughed and went and toured independent schools too.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re heading to Frederick. Seems like the easiest move.

I'm old enough to remember when Frederick was referred to as "Fredneck". You pearl clutchers who are afraid of the poors ought to be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, can’t imagine that Frederick is going to be better than different boundaries in MoCo. Plus given the MD tax situation with no SALT deduction it makes more sense to go to VA. We are considering it for that reason.

I'm assuming that people live in Bethesda/Potomac in part due to to commute and the nice homes. The equivalent areas in Virginia are places like Arlington and McLean. Those areas are seeing multiple bids, in part due to Amazon coming. So people who want to move to those areas are going to pay a lot more for the same house, or they will have to move further out which increases their commute time. The SALT deduction limit would hit you in VA too if you buy a really expensive home. Now, if you work in NoVa, then it makes sense to move there.

I'm sure some people will say that it's worth it for their kids' education, but I'm not buying it. I don't think most people would do it. It's all talk, kind of like how some people said they would move to Canada if Trump was elected. I get it. I was one of those who wanted to move after Trump was elected, but reality is far different from "I wish...".

So, I'm not worried that there will be a mass exodus of wealthy people moving to NoVa or HoCo. I can see some staying put and going private, which goes back to how that benefits the public school kids.

There is no comparison between moving to VA or Canada. One requires a move 10-20 minutes away, where you can keep your same job and probably comparable commute. The other involves entirely uprooting your life, dealing with visa issues, possibly dealing with new national licensing requirements, finding a new job, etc. Almost no one will actually move to Canada -- plenty of people will move to VA if the disparity becomes too large. (You could have far higher national taxes without having many people leave; you don't have that luxury on the state level.)

As people moving to Bethesda for the commute/homes, that's true. But you can get the same in VA. The fact that VA homes now are more expensive is proving the point. Many people who are able to afford more expensive houses are choosing VA. Even if that means some current MD residents will choose not to move, it will overtime lead to homes in MD being less valuable, which reduces property taxes. And less expensive homes are purchased by people with lower incomes, meaning income tax rates will be reduced as well.

eh.. I've moved a few times with kids. One move was within the same city. It's not easy, and it certainly is not great for older kids.

VA homes are more expensive because there are more jobs out there than MoCo, and with Amazon, the housing stock will go down and be more expensive. It's not the schools that's driving the home prices in NoVa.

I agree it is not about the schools alone. It is the general climate in the county and that climate is what has caused job growth to so badly lag VA.

I agree moving, even a short distance is hard, and inertia will keep some people here. But plenty of people move -- as your experience demonstrates -- and MoCo's policies, school and otherwise, are helping tip the balance. But even if relatively few people overcome inertia to move, if people moving to the area/from DC start choosing VA in greater numbers it will have the same ultimate effect, and MoCo won't be able to rely on inertia to help them in the first instance.

You are panicking for no reason at all. If people move, it will be due to commute mostly, and not schools. So whatever MCPS does, it won't produce the type of exodus that will affect home prices. Some people may choose to go private, which is great for relieving overcrowding and funding the public schools.

Some of you are panicking for no reason.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d read about 1960s-1970s white flight in my history classes, and naively assumed we had moved beyond that sort of thing. To those of you who say you are not white, I would be careful about allying yourselves with the whites planning to escape the county. You may be what they are running from.

+100. Tons of naive people on this forum. I'm glad the younger generation are more evolved. Signed, Asian parent staying put. My kids don't need an entire school of "smart" kids to help them do well.

+1 There's also just no such thing as a whole school full of kids who are high achievers. There are certainly schools with MORE high achievers (read: more kids with plenty of advantages) but no school (even a private school) has only high achievers. That's what tells you these folks aren't really talking about high achievers, because even schools full of rich kids have some slackers, losers, addicts, depressives, and kids who just think they are too cool to try.

Who said anything about wanting a school with 100% high achievers? We’re okay with at least 70% of students who are at least meeting all of the on grade level targets. It DOESN’T matter what class(rich middle poor) or color(pink, yellow, black or white).

The problem is since 2010 all MCPS has focused on, increased funding to, increased teachers to has benn eSOl ad. a focus schools in their vain attempt to solve the worlds dispareity in grades, the elusive Achievement Gap.
Unf public schools are a zero sum game so whilst they were catering to the bottom performers to no avail, they annihilated the curriculum, the grading scale, extracurricular, teacher autonomy, etc for the average and above average students. And no, the risky dink magnet programs located in far off locations to bolster SFH real estate there does not make up for that. The high quality MCPS product and graduate is not what it was 20-40 years ago. At all. Parents try to do half of what MCPas used to do itself. It’s like another partition job each mother or father must have to get one’s kid a well rounded education out of the current k-8 mess and then the zero-differential HS morass of 4.0/5.0 kids.

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There is widespread concern about boundary lines all over MoCo. It affects two very important things families care about deeply: children and property values. Why else are there multiple threads here on DCUM about it, community meetings being held everywhere, middle and upper class housing division board leaders going door to door to engage their residents, flyers, postcards sent home, Facebook groups etc. etc. You can try to sizzle out the panic as much as you can here on this board but the reality is friends, neighbors and families are paying close attention to this issue. Some will stay no matter what the outcome but many will make a decision that most favorably benefit their children and assets.

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VA for us and though it will help reduce our commute it is the disaster that MCPS has become that is giving us the kick in the pants to leave

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Anonymous wrote:We’re heading to Frederick. Seems like the easiest move.

I'm old enough to remember when Frederick was referred to as "Fredneck". You pearl clutchers who are afraid of the poors ought to be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, can’t imagine that Frederick is going to be better than different boundaries in MoCo. Plus given the MD tax situation with no SALT deduction it makes more sense to go to VA. We are considering it for that reason.

I'm assuming that people live in Bethesda/Potomac in part due to to commute and the nice homes. The equivalent areas in Virginia are places like Arlington and McLean. Those areas are seeing multiple bids, in part due to Amazon coming. So people who want to move to those areas are going to pay a lot more for the same house, or they will have to move further out which increases their commute time. The SALT deduction limit would hit you in VA too if you buy a really expensive home. Now, if you work in NoVa, then it makes sense to move there.

I'm sure some people will say that it's worth it for their kids' education, but I'm not buying it. I don't think most people would do it. It's all talk, kind of like how some people said they would move to Canada if Trump was elected. I get it. I was one of those who wanted to move after Trump was elected, but reality is far different from "I wish...".

So, I'm not worried that there will be a mass exodus of wealthy people moving to NoVa or HoCo. I can see some staying put and going private, which goes back to how that benefits the public school kids.

There is no comparison between moving to VA or Canada. One requires a move 10-20 minutes away, where you can keep your same job and probably comparable commute. The other involves entirely uprooting your life, dealing with visa issues, possibly dealing with new national licensing requirements, finding a new job, etc. Almost no one will actually move to Canada -- plenty of people will move to VA if the disparity becomes too large. (You could have far higher national taxes without having many people leave; you don't have that luxury on the state level.)

As people moving to Bethesda for the commute/homes, that's true. But you can get the same in VA. The fact that VA homes now are more expensive is proving the point. Many people who are able to afford more expensive houses are choosing VA. Even if that means some current MD residents will choose not to move, it will overtime lead to homes in MD being less valuable, which reduces property taxes. And less expensive homes are purchased by people with lower incomes, meaning income tax rates will be reduced as well.

There are way too many people with high incomes and not enough housing stock in McLean and Arlington to worry about ALL those rich people from Bethesda and Potomac from moving to NoVa. There won't be enough movement to see housing prices fall that far down. I'm not worried.

Even if that is true and values don't fall that far in absolute terms, the county and state would be losing out on growth it could have reasonably expected before it enacted policies that encouraged people to move elsewhere. It use to be that VA and Md would have roughly equal shares of the areas wealth. If MD becomes the decided second choice it will lag where it would have otherwise been with more evenhanded policies. Inflation will also eat away at even stable values, and corresponding tax receipts, never mind values that are falling, but not too far.

No, Bethesda won't be 2008 Detroit where you can't give homes away, but it may be a lot worse off than it was or could be.

The long term is what I’m worried about. I live in the Whitman district but a part that could well be redistricted. My kids are done with school so I’m not worried about it from that perspective but our home value is based in part on our school district. So i can take my current home value plus the $30k of annual savings from lower taxes, and put that into a house in Arlington or McLean. Plus we don’t need as big a house anymore so if we sell our house for the current value of $1.4m we should be able to get something semi decent.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re heading to Frederick. Seems like the easiest move.

I'm old enough to remember when Frederick was referred to as "Fredneck". You pearl clutchers who are afraid of the poors ought to be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, can’t imagine that Frederick is going to be better than different boundaries in MoCo. Plus given the MD tax situation with no SALT deduction it makes more sense to go to VA. We are considering it for that reason.

I'm assuming that people live in Bethesda/Potomac in part due to to commute and the nice homes. The equivalent areas in Virginia are places like Arlington and McLean. Those areas are seeing multiple bids, in part due to Amazon coming. So people who want to move to those areas are going to pay a lot more for the same house, or they will have to move further out which increases their commute time. The SALT deduction limit would hit you in VA too if you buy a really expensive home. Now, if you work in NoVa, then it makes sense to move there.

I'm sure some people will say that it's worth it for their kids' education, but I'm not buying it. I don't think most people would do it. It's all talk, kind of like how some people said they would move to Canada if Trump was elected. I get it. I was one of those who wanted to move after Trump was elected, but reality is far different from "I wish...".

So, I'm not worried that there will be a mass exodus of wealthy people moving to NoVa or HoCo. I can see some staying put and going private, which goes back to how that benefits the public school kids.

There is no comparison between moving to VA or Canada. One requires a move 10-20 minutes away, where you can keep your same job and probably comparable commute. The other involves entirely uprooting your life, dealing with visa issues, possibly dealing with new national licensing requirements, finding a new job, etc. Almost no one will actually move to Canada -- plenty of people will move to VA if the disparity becomes too large. (You could have far higher national taxes without having many people leave; you don't have that luxury on the state level.)

As people moving to Bethesda for the commute/homes, that's true. But you can get the same in VA. The fact that VA homes now are more expensive is proving the point. Many people who are able to afford more expensive houses are choosing VA. Even if that means some current MD residents will choose not to move, it will overtime lead to homes in MD being less valuable, which reduces property taxes. And less expensive homes are purchased by people with lower incomes, meaning income tax rates will be reduced as well.

There are way too many people with high incomes and not enough housing stock in McLean and Arlington to worry about ALL those rich people from Bethesda and Potomac from moving to NoVa. There won't be enough movement to see housing prices fall that far down. I'm not worried.

Even if that is true and values don't fall that far in absolute terms, the county and state would be losing out on growth it could have reasonably expected before it enacted policies that encouraged people to move elsewhere. It use to be that VA and Md would have roughly equal shares of the areas wealth. If MD becomes the decided second choice it will lag where it would have otherwise been with more evenhanded policies. Inflation will also eat away at even stable values, and corresponding tax receipts, never mind values that are falling, but not too far.

No, Bethesda won't be 2008 Detroit where you can't give homes away, but it may be a lot worse off than it was or could be.

The long term is what I’m worried about. I live in the Whitman district but a part that could well be redistricted. My kids are done with school so I’m not worried about it from that perspective but our home value is based in part on our school district. So i can take my current home value plus the $30k of annual savings from lower taxes, and put that into a house in Arlington or McLean. Plus we don’t need as big a house anymore so if we sell our house for the current value of $1.4m we should be able to get something semi decent.

Where in the Whitman district do you to fear redistricting and where do you think you could be shifted to?

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Anonymous wrote:We’re heading to Frederick. Seems like the easiest move.

I'm old enough to remember when Frederick was referred to as "Fredneck". You pearl clutchers who are afraid of the poors ought to be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, can’t imagine that Frederick is going to be better than different boundaries in MoCo. Plus given the MD tax situation with no SALT deduction it makes more sense to go to VA. We are considering it for that reason.

I'm assuming that people live in Bethesda/Potomac in part due to to commute and the nice homes. The equivalent areas in Virginia are places like Arlington and McLean. Those areas are seeing multiple bids, in part due to Amazon coming. So people who want to move to those areas are going to pay a lot more for the same house, or they will have to move further out which increases their commute time. The SALT deduction limit would hit you in VA too if you buy a really expensive home. Now, if you work in NoVa, then it makes sense to move there.

I'm sure some people will say that it's worth it for their kids' education, but I'm not buying it. I don't think most people would do it. It's all talk, kind of like how some people said they would move to Canada if Trump was elected. I get it. I was one of those who wanted to move after Trump was elected, but reality is far different from "I wish...".

So, I'm not worried that there will be a mass exodus of wealthy people moving to NoVa or HoCo. I can see some staying put and going private, which goes back to how that benefits the public school kids.

There is no comparison between moving to VA or Canada. One requires a move 10-20 minutes away, where you can keep your same job and probably comparable commute. The other involves entirely uprooting your life, dealing with visa issues, possibly dealing with new national licensing requirements, finding a new job, etc. Almost no one will actually move to Canada -- plenty of people will move to VA if the disparity becomes too large. (You could have far higher national taxes without having many people leave; you don't have that luxury on the state level.)

As people moving to Bethesda for the commute/homes, that's true. But you can get the same in VA. The fact that VA homes now are more expensive is proving the point. Many people who are able to afford more expensive houses are choosing VA. Even if that means some current MD residents will choose not to move, it will overtime lead to homes in MD being less valuable, which reduces property taxes. And less expensive homes are purchased by people with lower incomes, meaning income tax rates will be reduced as well.

There are way too many people with high incomes and not enough housing stock in McLean and Arlington to worry about ALL those rich people from Bethesda and Potomac from moving to NoVa. There won't be enough movement to see housing prices fall that far down. I'm not worried.

Even if that is true and values don't fall that far in absolute terms, the county and state would be losing out on growth it could have reasonably expected before it enacted policies that encouraged people to move elsewhere. It use to be that VA and Md would have roughly equal shares of the areas wealth. If MD becomes the decided second choice it will lag where it would have otherwise been with more evenhanded policies. Inflation will also eat away at even stable values, and corresponding tax receipts, never mind values that are falling, but not too far.

No, Bethesda won't be 2008 Detroit where you can't give homes away, but it may be a lot worse off than it was or could be.

The long term is what I’m worried about. I live in the Whitman district but a part that could well be redistricted. My kids are done with school so I’m not worried about it from that perspective but our home value is based in part on our school district. So i can take my current home value plus the $30k of annual savings from lower taxes, and put that into a house in Arlington or McLean. Plus we don’t need as big a house anymore so if we sell our house for the current value of $1.4m we should be able to get something semi decent.

Where in the Whitman district do you to fear redistricting and where do you think you could be shifted to?

NP. Whitman PP must be scared of being reassigned to BCC. More brown kids there, you know.

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Anonymous wrote:You people just love white people

I don’t think it’s that at all. Look at some of the top performing schools and they aren’t all white. They have a high percentage of Asian and Indian kids.
Saying you just love rich and high scoring is more accurate.

No school in MCPS has high percentage of Indian kids. Indian concentration is in VA.

Um, you're wrong. Have you been to Clarksburg lately?

Not the PP, but claim was about high performing schools having high concentration of Indians. Clarkesburg is not really high performing.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re heading to Frederick. Seems like the easiest move.

I'm old enough to remember when Frederick was referred to as "Fredneck". You pearl clutchers who are afraid of the poors ought to be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, can’t imagine that Frederick is going to be better than different boundaries in MoCo. Plus given the MD tax situation with no SALT deduction it makes more sense to go to VA. We are considering it for that reason.

I'm assuming that people live in Bethesda/Potomac in part due to to commute and the nice homes. The equivalent areas in Virginia are places like Arlington and McLean. Those areas are seeing multiple bids, in part due to Amazon coming. So people who want to move to those areas are going to pay a lot more for the same house, or they will have to move further out which increases their commute time. The SALT deduction limit would hit you in VA too if you buy a really expensive home. Now, if you work in NoVa, then it makes sense to move there.

I'm sure some people will say that it's worth it for their kids' education, but I'm not buying it. I don't think most people would do it. It's all talk, kind of like how some people said they would move to Canada if Trump was elected. I get it. I was one of those who wanted to move after Trump was elected, but reality is far different from "I wish...".

So, I'm not worried that there will be a mass exodus of wealthy people moving to NoVa or HoCo. I can see some staying put and going private, which goes back to how that benefits the public school kids.

There is no comparison between moving to VA or Canada. One requires a move 10-20 minutes away, where you can keep your same job and probably comparable commute. The other involves entirely uprooting your life, dealing with visa issues, possibly dealing with new national licensing requirements, finding a new job, etc. Almost no one will actually move to Canada -- plenty of people will move to VA if the disparity becomes too large. (You could have far higher national taxes without having many people leave; you don't have that luxury on the state level.)

As people moving to Bethesda for the commute/homes, that's true. But you can get the same in VA. The fact that VA homes now are more expensive is proving the point. Many people who are able to afford more expensive houses are choosing VA. Even if that means some current MD residents will choose not to move, it will overtime lead to homes in MD being less valuable, which reduces property taxes. And less expensive homes are purchased by people with lower incomes, meaning income tax rates will be reduced as well.

There are way too many people with high incomes and not enough housing stock in McLean and Arlington to worry about ALL those rich people from Bethesda and Potomac from moving to NoVa. There won't be enough movement to see housing prices fall that far down. I'm not worried.

Even if that is true and values don't fall that far in absolute terms, the county and state would be losing out on growth it could have reasonably expected before it enacted policies that encouraged people to move elsewhere. It use to be that VA and Md would have roughly equal shares of the areas wealth. If MD becomes the decided second choice it will lag where it would have otherwise been with more evenhanded policies. Inflation will also eat away at even stable values, and corresponding tax receipts, never mind values that are falling, but not too far.

No, Bethesda won't be 2008 Detroit where you can't give homes away, but it may be a lot worse off than it was or could be.

The long term is what I’m worried about. I live in the Whitman district but a part that could well be redistricted. My kids are done with school so I’m not worried about it from that perspective but our home value is based in part on our school district. So i can take my current home value plus the $30k of annual savings from lower taxes, and put that into a house in Arlington or McLean. Plus we don’t need as big a house anymore so if we sell our house for the current value of $1.4m we should be able to get something semi decent.

Where in the Whitman district do you to fear redistricting and where do you think you could be shifted to?

Not the PP, but making a guess here. Assigned to WJ/Woodward and WJ/Woodward taking many high FARMs ES from DCC.

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Anonymous wrote:You people just love white people

I don’t think it’s that at all. Look at some of the top performing schools and they aren’t all white. They have a high percentage of Asian and Indian kids.
Saying you just love rich and high scoring is more accurate.

No school in MCPS has high percentage of Indian kids. Indian concentration is in VA.

Um, you're wrong. Have you been to Clarksburg lately?

Not the PP, but claim was about high performing schools having high concentration of Indians. Clarkesburg is not really high performing.

And what's your basis for your claim that Clarksburg is low performing?