Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?

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Anonymous wrote:So this whole thread is about people freaking out about MCPS conducting a study to see if we could optimize the present boundaries. And already people are thinking about moving. So dumb.

+1 Ridiculous people.

not the brightest bunch

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Anonymous wrote:We’re heading to Frederick. Seems like the easiest move.

I'm old enough to remember when Frederick was referred to as "Fredneck". You pearl clutchers who are afraid of the poors ought to be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, can’t imagine that Frederick is going to be better than different boundaries in MoCo. Plus given the MD tax situation with no SALT deduction it makes more sense to go to VA. We are considering it for that reason.

I'm assuming that people live in Bethesda/Potomac in part due to to commute and the nice homes. The equivalent areas in Virginia are places like Arlington and McLean. Those areas are seeing multiple bids, in part due to Amazon coming. So people who want to move to those areas are going to pay a lot more for the same house, or they will have to move further out which increases their commute time. The SALT deduction limit would hit you in VA too if you buy a really expensive home. Now, if you work in NoVa, then it makes sense to move there.

I'm sure some people will say that it's worth it for their kids' education, but I'm not buying it. I don't think most people would do it. It's all talk, kind of like how some people said they would move to Canada if Trump was elected. I get it. I was one of those who wanted to move after Trump was elected, but reality is far different from "I wish...".

So, I'm not worried that there will be a mass exodus of wealthy people moving to NoVa or HoCo. I can see some staying put and going private, which goes back to how that benefits the public school kids.

There is no comparison between moving to VA or Canada. One requires a move 10-20 minutes away, where you can keep your same job and probably comparable commute. The other involves entirely uprooting your life, dealing with visa issues, possibly dealing with new national licensing requirements, finding a new job, etc. Almost no one will actually move to Canada -- plenty of people will move to VA if the disparity becomes too large. (You could have far higher national taxes without having many people leave; you don't have that luxury on the state level.)

As people moving to Bethesda for the commute/homes, that's true. But you can get the same in VA. The fact that VA homes now are more expensive is proving the point. Many people who are able to afford more expensive houses are choosing VA. Even if that means some current MD residents will choose not to move, it will overtime lead to homes in MD being less valuable, which reduces property taxes. And less expensive homes are purchased by people with lower incomes, meaning income tax rates will be reduced as well.

There are way too many people with high incomes and not enough housing stock in McLean and Arlington to worry about ALL those rich people from Bethesda and Potomac from moving to NoVa. There won't be enough movement to see housing prices fall that far down. I'm not worried.

Even if that is true and values don't fall that far in absolute terms, the county and state would be losing out on growth it could have reasonably expected before it enacted policies that encouraged people to move elsewhere. It use to be that VA and Md would have roughly equal shares of the areas wealth. If MD becomes the decided second choice it will lag where it would have otherwise been with more evenhanded policies. Inflation will also eat away at even stable values, and corresponding tax receipts, never mind values that are falling, but not too far.

No, Bethesda won't be 2008 Detroit where you can't give homes away, but it may be a lot worse off than it was or could be.

The long term is what I’m worried about. I live in the Whitman district but a part that could well be redistricted. My kids are done with school so I’m not worried about it from that perspective but our home value is based in part on our school district. So i can take my current home value plus the $30k of annual savings from lower taxes, and put that into a house in Arlington or McLean. Plus we don’t need as big a house anymore so if we sell our house for the current value of $1.4m we should be able to get something semi decent.

Where in the Whitman district do you to fear redistricting and where do you think you could be shifted to?

NP. Whitman PP must be scared of being reassigned to BCC. More brown kids there, you know.

Actually I only care about my house value. As I said my kids are done.

I live one block from the boundary so clearly redistricting is a possibility.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re heading to Frederick. Seems like the easiest move.

I'm old enough to remember when Frederick was referred to as "Fredneck". You pearl clutchers who are afraid of the poors ought to be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, can’t imagine that Frederick is going to be better than different boundaries in MoCo. Plus given the MD tax situation with no SALT deduction it makes more sense to go to VA. We are considering it for that reason.

I'm assuming that people live in Bethesda/Potomac in part due to to commute and the nice homes. The equivalent areas in Virginia are places like Arlington and McLean. Those areas are seeing multiple bids, in part due to Amazon coming. So people who want to move to those areas are going to pay a lot more for the same house, or they will have to move further out which increases their commute time. The SALT deduction limit would hit you in VA too if you buy a really expensive home. Now, if you work in NoVa, then it makes sense to move there.

I'm sure some people will say that it's worth it for their kids' education, but I'm not buying it. I don't think most people would do it. It's all talk, kind of like how some people said they would move to Canada if Trump was elected. I get it. I was one of those who wanted to move after Trump was elected, but reality is far different from "I wish...".

So, I'm not worried that there will be a mass exodus of wealthy people moving to NoVa or HoCo. I can see some staying put and going private, which goes back to how that benefits the public school kids.

There is no comparison between moving to VA or Canada. One requires a move 10-20 minutes away, where you can keep your same job and probably comparable commute. The other involves entirely uprooting your life, dealing with visa issues, possibly dealing with new national licensing requirements, finding a new job, etc. Almost no one will actually move to Canada -- plenty of people will move to VA if the disparity becomes too large. (You could have far higher national taxes without having many people leave; you don't have that luxury on the state level.)

As people moving to Bethesda for the commute/homes, that's true. But you can get the same in VA. The fact that VA homes now are more expensive is proving the point. Many people who are able to afford more expensive houses are choosing VA. Even if that means some current MD residents will choose not to move, it will overtime lead to homes in MD being less valuable, which reduces property taxes. And less expensive homes are purchased by people with lower incomes, meaning income tax rates will be reduced as well.

There are way too many people with high incomes and not enough housing stock in McLean and Arlington to worry about ALL those rich people from Bethesda and Potomac from moving to NoVa. There won't be enough movement to see housing prices fall that far down. I'm not worried.

Even if that is true and values don't fall that far in absolute terms, the county and state would be losing out on growth it could have reasonably expected before it enacted policies that encouraged people to move elsewhere. It use to be that VA and Md would have roughly equal shares of the areas wealth. If MD becomes the decided second choice it will lag where it would have otherwise been with more evenhanded policies. Inflation will also eat away at even stable values, and corresponding tax receipts, never mind values that are falling, but not too far.

No, Bethesda won't be 2008 Detroit where you can't give homes away, but it may be a lot worse off than it was or could be.

The long term is what I’m worried about. I live in the Whitman district but a part that could well be redistricted. My kids are done with school so I’m not worried about it from that perspective but our home value is based in part on our school district. So i can take my current home value plus the $30k of annual savings from lower taxes, and put that into a house in Arlington or McLean. Plus we don’t need as big a house anymore so if we sell our house for the current value of $1.4m we should be able to get something semi decent.

Where in the Whitman district do you to fear redistricting and where do you think you could be shifted to?

NP. Whitman PP must be scared of being reassigned to BCC. More brown kids there, you know.

Actually I only care about my house value. As I said my kids are done.

I live one block from the boundary so clearly redistricting is a possibility.

Are you for real worried that your home value will go down if you're redistricted to BCC?? Oh boy. This gives a whole new meaning to first world problems.

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The most expensive zip code in the DMV for single-family homes feeds to B-CC, not Whitman (or Langley).

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Anonymous wrote:The most expensive zip code in the DMV for single-family homes feeds to B-CC, not Whitman (or Langley).

+1 My family could afford a house in Whitman but we chose the BCC area because it’s closer to our downtown jobs and more diverse than Whitman. We’re not going anywhere. OP is a drama llama.

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Anonymous wrote:You people just love white people

I don’t think it’s that at all. Look at some of the top performing schools and they aren’t all white. They have a high percentage of Asian and Indian kids.
Saying you just love rich and high scoring is more accurate.

No school in MCPS has high percentage of Indian kids. Indian concentration is in VA.

Um, you're wrong. Have you been to Clarksburg lately?

NP but you're wrong.
Clarksburg HS doesn't have a high percentage of Indian Kids.
The whole Asian percentage is only 19%

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The problem with MOCO is the lack of affordable housing in some of these high performing schools. Let's change the housing policies, and the demographic issue will solve itself.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d read about 1960s-1970s white flight in my history classes, and naively assumed we had moved beyond that sort of thing. To those of you who say you are not white, I would be careful about allying yourselves with the whites planning to escape the county. You may be what they are running from.

+100. Tons of naive people on this forum. I'm glad the younger generation are more evolved. Signed, Asian parent staying put. My kids don't need an entire school of "smart" kids to help them do well.

+1 There's also just no such thing as a whole school full of kids who are high achievers. There are certainly schools with MORE high achievers (read: more kids with plenty of advantages) but no school (even a private school) has only high achievers. That's what tells you these folks aren't really talking about high achievers, because even schools full of rich kids have some slackers, losers, addicts, depressives, and kids who just think they are too cool to try.

Who said anything about wanting a school with 100% high achievers? We’re okay with at least 70% of students who are at least meeting all of the on grade level targets. It DOESN’T matter what class(rich middle poor) or color(pink, yellow, black or white).

The problem is since 2010 all MCPS has focused on, increased funding to, increased teachers to has benn eSOl ad. a focus schools in their vain attempt to solve the worlds dispareity in grades, the elusive Achievement Gap.
Unf public schools are a zero sum game so whilst they were catering to the bottom performers to no avail, they annihilated the curriculum, the grading scale, extracurricular, teacher autonomy, etc for the average and above average students. And no, the risky dink magnet programs located in far off locations to bolster SFH real estate there does not make up for that. The high quality MCPS product and graduate is not what it was 20-40 years ago. At all. Parents try to do half of what MCPas used to do itself. It’s like another partition job each mother or father must have to get one’s kid a well rounded education out of the current k-8 mess and then the zero-differential HS morass of 4.0/5.0 kids.

Oh please. I'm a MCPS graduate from 25 years ago. Honors student who took advanced classes throughout HS and I swear, my freshman daughter, also now at MCPS, is far more advanced academically than when I was a freshman. And no, I don't spend hours at home, schooling her to make up for some type of defficency. Am I an involved parent? Sure I am, but I'm certainly not the sole reason for her academic success up till this point. Her amazing teachers at MCPS get the primary credit for that.

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Anonymous wrote:You people just love white people

I don’t think it’s that at all. Look at some of the top performing schools and they aren’t all white. They have a high percentage of Asian and Indian kids.
Saying you just love rich and high scoring is more accurate.

No school in MCPS has high percentage of Indian kids. Indian concentration is in VA.

Um, you're wrong. Have you been to Clarksburg lately?

NP but you're wrong.
Clarksburg HS doesn't have a high percentage of Indian Kids.
The whole Asian percentage is only 19%

PP didn't mention HS. PP said no school in MoCo has a high percentage of Indians and I can say that is completely wrong. Look at Diamond ES in Gaithersburg and Spark Matsunaga in Germantown. The elementary schools at Clarksburg certainly have a high percentage of Asian students, primarily Indian students. I know as I live there. Wilson Wims is 40%. Clarksburg ES is 36%. Cedar Grove 39%. The reason why Clarksburg HS doesn't have as high of an Asian population as its middle and elementary schools is because it also pulls kids from non-Clarksburg schools and one of the Clarksburg middle schools split articulates to Damascus hs.

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Anonymous wrote:There is widespread concern about boundary lines all over MoCo. It affects two very important things families care about deeply: children and property values. Why else are there multiple threads here on DCUM about it, community meetings being held everywhere, middle and upper class housing division board leaders going door to door to engage their residents, flyers, postcards sent home, Facebook groups etc. etc. You can try to sizzle out the panic as much as you can here on this board but the reality is friends, neighbors and families are paying close attention to this issue. Some will stay no matter what the outcome but many will make a decision that most favorably benefit their children and assets.

Really? What community meetings? I have relatives who live in an expensive neighborhood zoned for a no-poor-kids school; I'll ask them how many people have knocked on their door.

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Anonymous wrote:There is widespread concern about boundary lines all over MoCo. It affects two very important things families care about deeply: children and property values. Why else are there multiple threads here on DCUM about it, community meetings being held everywhere, middle and upper class housing division board leaders going door to door to engage their residents, flyers, postcards sent home, Facebook groups etc. etc. You can try to sizzle out the panic as much as you can here on this board but the reality is friends, neighbors and families are paying close attention to this issue. Some will stay no matter what the outcome but many will make a decision that most favorably benefit their children and assets.

Really? What community meetings? I have relatives who live in an expensive neighborhood zoned for a no-poor-kids school; I'll ask them how many people have knocked on their door.

PP is likely is talking about the the families impacted by the Seneca Valley, Clarksburg and NW boundary study. This is normal behavior around here. Everytime there's a boundary change, everyone fights like hell for the option that benefits them the most. I know there's been a community meeting by Clarksburg families and another one by NW families. They are worried about longer bus rides and overcrowding. Meanwhile, the SVHS PTA and community is fighting to balance the demographics between the 3 schools.

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Anonymous wrote:You people just love white people

I don’t think it’s that at all. Look at some of the top performing schools and they aren’t all white. They have a high percentage of Asian and Indian kids.
Saying you just love rich and high scoring is more accurate.

No school in MCPS has high percentage of Indian kids. Indian concentration is in VA.

Um, you're wrong. Have you been to Clarksburg lately?

Not the PP, but claim was about high performing schools having high concentration of Indians. Clarkesburg is not really high performing.

And what's your basis for your claim that Clarksburg is low performing?

Test scores, that's the only objective data available to us.

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Anonymous wrote:You people just love white people

I don’t think it’s that at all. Look at some of the top performing schools and they aren’t all white. They have a high percentage of Asian and Indian kids.
Saying you just love rich and high scoring is more accurate.

No school in MCPS has high percentage of Indian kids. Indian concentration is in VA.

Um, you're wrong. Have you been to Clarksburg lately?

Not the PP, but claim was about high performing schools having high concentration of Indians. Clarkesburg is not really high performing.

And what's your basis for your claim that Clarksburg is low performing?

Test scores, that's the only objective data available to us.

Also, I never said it's low performing. I only said it's not really a high performing. There are tons of schools in middle.

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Anonymous wrote:There is widespread concern about boundary lines all over MoCo. It affects two very important things families care about deeply: children and property values. Why else are there multiple threads here on DCUM about it, community meetings being held everywhere, middle and upper class housing division board leaders going door to door to engage their residents, flyers, postcards sent home, Facebook groups etc. etc. You can try to sizzle out the panic as much as you can here on this board but the reality is friends, neighbors and families are paying close attention to this issue. Some will stay no matter what the outcome but many will make a decision that most favorably benefit their children and assets.

Really? What community meetings? I have relatives who live in an expensive neighborhood zoned for a no-poor-kids school; I'll ask them how many people have knocked on their door.

PP is likely is talking about the the families impacted by the Seneca Valley, Clarksburg and NW boundary study. This is normal behavior around here. Everytime there's a boundary change, everyone fights like hell for the option that benefits them the most. I know there's been a community meeting by Clarksburg families and another one by NW families. They are worried about longer bus rides and overcrowding. Meanwhile, the SVHS PTA and community is fighting to balance the demographics between the 3 schools.

Oh, yes, the last time there was an option to rezone Gibbs to Neelsville MS, I received an e-mail appeal that boiled down to: If you don't think it's alarming that we will have to send our kids to that horrible school, just think about the effect on your property values!!!!

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Also there are multiple threads on this topic because the same OP keeps starting them. I’m just sorry for the kids who live up county. This is ugly stuff and the kids will hear.