Where are all you families of high performing students planning on moving to?

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Anonymous wrote:I’d read about 1960s-1970s white flight in my history classes, and naively assumed we had moved beyond that sort of thing. To those of you who say you are not white, I would be careful about allying yourselves with the whites planning to escape the county. You may be what they are running from.

+100. Tons of naive people on this forum. I'm glad the younger generation are more evolved. Signed, Asian parent staying put. My kids don't need an entire school of "smart" kids to help them do well.

Oh please, Asian communities are among the most cliquish and tight communities. Just look at Potomac/Rockville and Boyds and Clarksburg. Your kids may not need any help at all when it comes to school performance but you probably “prefer” to be surrounded by a lot of smart kids.

Ha, I'm the Asian PP and actually live in Clarksburg. The thing is I don't care about my kid being surrounded by tons of smart kids. As long as the school has programs that will challenge my kids, then I'm cool with that. I figure if the program exists then there must be a cohort of kids who need it. Who cares of it's 60% or 40%.

That’s the nice way of putting it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d read about 1960s-1970s white flight in my history classes, and naively assumed we had moved beyond that sort of thing. To those of you who say you are not white, I would be careful about allying yourselves with the whites planning to escape the county. You may be what they are running from.

+100. Tons of naive people on this forum. I'm glad the younger generation are more evolved. Signed, Asian parent staying put. My kids don't need an entire school of "smart" kids to help them do well.

Oh please, Asian communities are among the most cliquish and tight communities. Just look at Potomac/Rockville and Boyds and Clarksburg. Your kids may not need any help at all when it comes to school performance but you probably “prefer” to be surrounded by a lot of smart kids.

Ha, I'm the Asian PP and actually live in Clarksburg. The thing is I don't care about my kid being surrounded by tons of smart kids. As long as the school has programs that will challenge my kids, then I'm cool with that. I figure if the program exists then there must be a cohort of kids who need it. Who cares of it's 60% or 40%.

Oh, you would care! If only 20 or 10% of kids needed these challenging programs, would the school continue to provide them? And if they didn’t you know you wouldn’t send your kids to that school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d read about 1960s-1970s white flight in my history classes, and naively assumed we had moved beyond that sort of thing. To those of you who say you are not white, I would be careful about allying yourselves with the whites planning to escape the county. You may be what they are running from.

+100. Tons of naive people on this forum. I'm glad the younger generation are more evolved. Signed, Asian parent staying put. My kids don't need an entire school of "smart" kids to help them do well.

Oh please, Asian communities are among the most cliquish and tight communities. Just look at Potomac/Rockville and Boyds and Clarksburg. Your kids may not need any help at all when it comes to school performance but you probably “prefer” to be surrounded by a lot of smart kids.

Ha, I'm the Asian PP and actually live in Clarksburg. The thing is I don't care about my kid being surrounded by tons of smart kids. As long as the school has programs that will challenge my kids, then I'm cool with that. I figure if the program exists then there must be a cohort of kids who need it. Who cares of it's 60% or 40%.

Oh, you would care! If only 20 or 10% of kids needed these challenging programs, would the school continue to provide them? And if they didn’t you know you wouldn’t send your kids to that school.

No I don't. I care about the program being available. If it takes 30 percent of kids who need it to make it available then what do I care if the actual percentage is 30 vs 60. Here's the thing even schools rated on the low end have programs. Seneca Valley has IB for instance. I care about my kid and her ability to succeed academically so she can get into a good college. I don't care about the other kids. I know that sounds harsh but if people just focused more on their child and less on ratings and a school's avg test scores then parents here would save themselves from a lot of stress. Teach your kids to work hard, study, hang out with the right crowd, and stay away from the wrong one. That's it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d read about 1960s-1970s white flight in my history classes, and naively assumed we had moved beyond that sort of thing. To those of you who say you are not white, I would be careful about allying yourselves with the whites planning to escape the county. You may be what they are running from.

+100. Tons of naive people on this forum. I'm glad the younger generation are more evolved. Signed, Asian parent staying put. My kids don't need an entire school of "smart" kids to help them do well.

Oh please, Asian communities are among the most cliquish and tight communities. Just look at Potomac/Rockville and Boyds and Clarksburg. Your kids may not need any help at all when it comes to school performance but you probably “prefer” to be surrounded by a lot of smart kids.

Ha, I'm the Asian PP and actually live in Clarksburg. The thing is I don't care about my kid being surrounded by tons of smart kids. As long as the school has programs that will challenge my kids, then I'm cool with that. I figure if the program exists then there must be a cohort of kids who need it. Who cares of it's 60% or 40%.

Oh, you would care! If only 20 or 10% of kids needed these challenging programs, would the school continue to provide them? And if they didn’t you know you wouldn’t send your kids to that school.

No I don't. I care about the program being available. If it takes 30 percent of kids who need it to make it available then what do I care if the actual percentage is 30 vs 60. Here's the thing even schools rated on the low end have programs. Seneca Valley has IB for instance. I care about my kid and her ability to succeed academically so she can get into a good college. I don't care about the other kids. I know that sounds harsh but if people just focused more on their child and less on ratings and a school's avg test scores then parents here would save themselves from a lot of stress. Teach your kids to work hard, study, hang out with the right crowd, and stay away from the wrong one. That's it.

NP, and I completely agree with the bolded. I think part of the reason parents want their kids in schools in which the vast majority are "high achievers" is that they think it will exempt them from doing these things. That is, they think, "good school, my work is done." SO many parents check out in HS and especially when their kid is at a "good school." Of course, there's plenty of trouble to be had there, too, but I do think a lot of it the uproar is laziness. What, I actually have to parent my high schoolers? Yes. Yes, you do.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d read about 1960s-1970s white flight in my history classes, and naively assumed we had moved beyond that sort of thing. To those of you who say you are not white, I would be careful about allying yourselves with the whites planning to escape the county. You may be what they are running from.

+100. Tons of naive people on this forum. I'm glad the younger generation are more evolved. Signed, Asian parent staying put. My kids don't need an entire school of "smart" kids to help them do well.

Oh please, Asian communities are among the most cliquish and tight communities. Just look at Potomac/Rockville and Boyds and Clarksburg. Your kids may not need any help at all when it comes to school performance but you probably “prefer” to be surrounded by a lot of smart kids.

Ha, I'm the Asian PP and actually live in Clarksburg. The thing is I don't care about my kid being surrounded by tons of smart kids. As long as the school has programs that will challenge my kids, then I'm cool with that. I figure if the program exists then there must be a cohort of kids who need it. Who cares of it's 60% or 40%.

Oh, you would care! If only 20 or 10% of kids needed these challenging programs, would the school continue to provide them? And if they didn’t you know you wouldn’t send your kids to that school.

No I don't. I care about the program being available. If it takes 30 percent of kids who need it to make it available then what do I care if the actual percentage is 30 vs 60. Here's the thing even schools rated on the low end have programs. Seneca Valley has IB for instance. I care about my kid and her ability to succeed academically so she can get into a good college. I don't care about the other kids. I know that sounds harsh but if people just focused more on their child and less on ratings and a school's avg test scores then parents here would save themselves from a lot of stress. Teach your kids to work hard, study, hang out with the right crowd, and stay away from the wrong one. That's it.

But isn’t that the whole point of MCPS diversity initiative. They’re hoping your “great” kid hangs out with one of the “bad” kids and that friendship will in turn generate two “semi-good/less-bad” kids. If you’re advising your kid to avoid the “wrong” kids anyway, they might as well just go to two different schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d read about 1960s-1970s white flight in my history classes, and naively assumed we had moved beyond that sort of thing. To those of you who say you are not white, I would be careful about allying yourselves with the whites planning to escape the county. You may be what they are running from.

+100. Tons of naive people on this forum. I'm glad the younger generation are more evolved. Signed, Asian parent staying put. My kids don't need an entire school of "smart" kids to help them do well.

Oh please, Asian communities are among the most cliquish and tight communities. Just look at Potomac/Rockville and Boyds and Clarksburg. Your kids may not need any help at all when it comes to school performance but you probably “prefer” to be surrounded by a lot of smart kids.

Ha, I'm the Asian PP and actually live in Clarksburg. The thing is I don't care about my kid being surrounded by tons of smart kids. As long as the school has programs that will challenge my kids, then I'm cool with that. I figure if the program exists then there must be a cohort of kids who need it. Who cares of it's 60% or 40%.

Oh, you would care! If only 20 or 10% of kids needed these challenging programs, would the school continue to provide them? And if they didn’t you know you wouldn’t send your kids to that school.

No I don't. I care about the program being available. If it takes 30 percent of kids who need it to make it available then what do I care if the actual percentage is 30 vs 60. Here's the thing even schools rated on the low end have programs. Seneca Valley has IB for instance. I care about my kid and her ability to succeed academically so she can get into a good college. I don't care about the other kids. I know that sounds harsh but if people just focused more on their child and less on ratings and a school's avg test scores then parents here would save themselves from a lot of stress. Teach your kids to work hard, study, hang out with the right crowd, and stay away from the wrong one. That's it.

But isn’t that the whole point of MCPS diversity initiative. They’re hoping your “great” kid hangs out with one of the “bad” kids and that friendship will in turn generate two “semi-good/less-bad” kids. If you’re advising your kid to avoid the “wrong” kids anyway, they might as well just go to two different schools.

Well, the wrong crowd is everywhere, even in the rich white schools so even if my kids were in a W, I would tell them the same thing. By the way the whole point of the MCPS boundary initiative is to relook at boundaries and see where they could make changes to make things more balanced from a demographic perspective. Why should there be a school with 60% farms when next to it is a school that is 16%. It is not about spreading out the wrong crowd to different schools. FARM kids are not equal to the wrong crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d read about 1960s-1970s white flight in my history classes, and naively assumed we had moved beyond that sort of thing. To those of you who say you are not white, I would be careful about allying yourselves with the whites planning to escape the county. You may be what they are running from.

+100. Tons of naive people on this forum. I'm glad the younger generation are more evolved. Signed, Asian parent staying put. My kids don't need an entire school of "smart" kids to help them do well.

Oh please, Asian communities are among the most cliquish and tight communities. Just look at Potomac/Rockville and Boyds and Clarksburg. Your kids may not need any help at all when it comes to school performance but you probably “prefer” to be surrounded by a lot of smart kids.

Ha, I'm the Asian PP and actually live in Clarksburg. The thing is I don't care about my kid being surrounded by tons of smart kids. As long as the school has programs that will challenge my kids, then I'm cool with that. I figure if the program exists then there must be a cohort of kids who need it. Who cares of it's 60% or 40%.

Oh, you would care! If only 20 or 10% of kids needed these challenging programs, would the school continue to provide them? And if they didn’t you know you wouldn’t send your kids to that school.

No I don't. I care about the program being available. If it takes 30 percent of kids who need it to make it available then what do I care if the actual percentage is 30 vs 60. Here's the thing even schools rated on the low end have programs. Seneca Valley has IB for instance. I care about my kid and her ability to succeed academically so she can get into a good college. I don't care about the other kids. I know that sounds harsh but if people just focused more on their child and less on ratings and a school's avg test scores then parents here would save themselves from a lot of stress. Teach your kids to work hard, study, hang out with the right crowd, and stay away from the wrong one. That's it.

But isn’t that the whole point of MCPS diversity initiative. They’re hoping your “great” kid hangs out with one of the “bad” kids and that friendship will in turn generate two “semi-good/less-bad” kids. If you’re advising your kid to avoid the “wrong” kids anyway, they might as well just go to two different schools.

DP, but way to equate poor/non-white/less resources with "bad." Ugh.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re heading to Frederick. Seems like the easiest move.

I'm old enough to remember when Frederick was referred to as "Fredneck". You pearl clutchers who are afraid of the poors ought to be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, can’t imagine that Frederick is going to be better than different boundaries in MoCo. Plus given the MD tax situation with no SALT deduction it makes more sense to go to VA. We are considering it for that reason.

I'm assuming that people live in Bethesda/Potomac in part due to to commute and the nice homes. The equivalent areas in Virginia are places like Arlington and McLean. Those areas are seeing multiple bids, in part due to Amazon coming. So people who want to move to those areas are going to pay a lot more for the same house, or they will have to move further out which increases their commute time. The SALT deduction limit would hit you in VA too if you buy a really expensive home. Now, if you work in NoVa, then it makes sense to move there.

I'm sure some people will say that it's worth it for their kids' education, but I'm not buying it. I don't think most people would do it. It's all talk, kind of like how some people said they would move to Canada if Trump was elected. I get it. I was one of those who wanted to move after Trump was elected, but reality is far different from "I wish...".

So, I'm not worried that there will be a mass exodus of wealthy people moving to NoVa or HoCo. I can see some staying put and going private, which goes back to how that benefits the public school kids.

There is no comparison between moving to VA or Canada. One requires a move 10-20 minutes away, where you can keep your same job and probably comparable commute. The other involves entirely uprooting your life, dealing with visa issues, possibly dealing with new national licensing requirements, finding a new job, etc. Almost no one will actually move to Canada -- plenty of people will move to VA if the disparity becomes too large. (You could have far higher national taxes without having many people leave; you don't have that luxury on the state level.)

As people moving to Bethesda for the commute/homes, that's true. But you can get the same in VA. The fact that VA homes now are more expensive is proving the point. Many people who are able to afford more expensive houses are choosing VA. Even if that means some current MD residents will choose not to move, it will overtime lead to homes in MD being less valuable, which reduces property taxes. And less expensive homes are purchased by people with lower incomes, meaning income tax rates will be reduced as well.

There are way too many people with high incomes and not enough housing stock in McLean and Arlington to worry about ALL those rich people from Bethesda and Potomac from moving to NoVa. There won't be enough movement to see housing prices fall that far down. I'm not worried.

Even if that is true and values don't fall that far in absolute terms, the county and state would be losing out on growth it could have reasonably expected before it enacted policies that encouraged people to move elsewhere. It use to be that VA and Md would have roughly equal shares of the areas wealth. If MD becomes the decided second choice it will lag where it would have otherwise been with more evenhanded policies. Inflation will also eat away at even stable values, and corresponding tax receipts, never mind values that are falling, but not too far.

No, Bethesda won't be 2008 Detroit where you can't give homes away, but it may be a lot worse off than it was or could be.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re heading to Frederick. Seems like the easiest move.

I'm old enough to remember when Frederick was referred to as "Fredneck". You pearl clutchers who are afraid of the poors ought to be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, can’t imagine that Frederick is going to be better than different boundaries in MoCo. Plus given the MD tax situation with no SALT deduction it makes more sense to go to VA. We are considering it for that reason.

I'm assuming that people live in Bethesda/Potomac in part due to to commute and the nice homes. The equivalent areas in Virginia are places like Arlington and McLean. Those areas are seeing multiple bids, in part due to Amazon coming. So people who want to move to those areas are going to pay a lot more for the same house, or they will have to move further out which increases their commute time. The SALT deduction limit would hit you in VA too if you buy a really expensive home. Now, if you work in NoVa, then it makes sense to move there.

I'm sure some people will say that it's worth it for their kids' education, but I'm not buying it. I don't think most people would do it. It's all talk, kind of like how some people said they would move to Canada if Trump was elected. I get it. I was one of those who wanted to move after Trump was elected, but reality is far different from "I wish...".

So, I'm not worried that there will be a mass exodus of wealthy people moving to NoVa or HoCo. I can see some staying put and going private, which goes back to how that benefits the public school kids.

There is no comparison between moving to VA or Canada. One requires a move 10-20 minutes away, where you can keep your same job and probably comparable commute. The other involves entirely uprooting your life, dealing with visa issues, possibly dealing with new national licensing requirements, finding a new job, etc. Almost no one will actually move to Canada -- plenty of people will move to VA if the disparity becomes too large. (You could have far higher national taxes without having many people leave; you don't have that luxury on the state level.)

As people moving to Bethesda for the commute/homes, that's true. But you can get the same in VA. The fact that VA homes now are more expensive is proving the point. Many people who are able to afford more expensive houses are choosing VA. Even if that means some current MD residents will choose not to move, it will overtime lead to homes in MD being less valuable, which reduces property taxes. And less expensive homes are purchased by people with lower incomes, meaning income tax rates will be reduced as well.

eh.. I've moved a few times with kids. One move was within the same city. It's not easy, and it certainly is not great for older kids.

VA homes are more expensive because there are more jobs out there than MoCo, and with Amazon, the housing stock will go down and be more expensive. It's not the schools that's driving the home prices in NoVa.

I agree it is not about the schools alone. It is the general climate in the county and that climate is what has caused job growth to so badly lag VA.

I agree moving, even a short distance is hard, and inertia will keep some people here. But plenty of people move -- as your experience demonstrates -- and MoCo's policies, school and otherwise, are helping tip the balance. But even if relatively few people overcome inertia to move, if people moving to the area/from DC start choosing VA in greater numbers it will have the same ultimate effect, and MoCo won't be able to rely on inertia to help them in the first instance.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re heading to Frederick. Seems like the easiest move.

I'm old enough to remember when Frederick was referred to as "Fredneck". You pearl clutchers who are afraid of the poors ought to be careful what you wish for.

Yeah, can’t imagine that Frederick is going to be better than different boundaries in MoCo. Plus given the MD tax situation with no SALT deduction it makes more sense to go to VA. We are considering it for that reason.

I'm assuming that people live in Bethesda/Potomac in part due to to commute and the nice homes. The equivalent areas in Virginia are places like Arlington and McLean. Those areas are seeing multiple bids, in part due to Amazon coming. So people who want to move to those areas are going to pay a lot more for the same house, or they will have to move further out which increases their commute time. The SALT deduction limit would hit you in VA too if you buy a really expensive home. Now, if you work in NoVa, then it makes sense to move there.

I'm sure some people will say that it's worth it for their kids' education, but I'm not buying it. I don't think most people would do it. It's all talk, kind of like how some people said they would move to Canada if Trump was elected. I get it. I was one of those who wanted to move after Trump was elected, but reality is far different from "I wish...".

So, I'm not worried that there will be a mass exodus of wealthy people moving to NoVa or HoCo. I can see some staying put and going private, which goes back to how that benefits the public school kids.

There is no comparison between moving to VA or Canada. One requires a move 10-20 minutes away, where you can keep your same job and probably comparable commute. The other involves entirely uprooting your life, dealing with visa issues, possibly dealing with new national licensing requirements, finding a new job, etc. Almost no one will actually move to Canada -- plenty of people will move to VA if the disparity becomes too large. (You could have far higher national taxes without having many people leave; you don't have that luxury on the state level.)

As people moving to Bethesda for the commute/homes, that's true. But you can get the same in VA. The fact that VA homes now are more expensive is proving the point. Many people who are able to afford more expensive houses are choosing VA. Even if that means some current MD residents will choose not to move, it will overtime lead to homes in MD being less valuable, which reduces property taxes. And less expensive homes are purchased by people with lower incomes, meaning income tax rates will be reduced as well.

There are way too many people with high incomes and not enough housing stock in McLean and Arlington to worry about ALL those rich people from Bethesda and Potomac from moving to NoVa. There won't be enough movement to see housing prices fall that far down. I'm not worried.

Even if that is true and values don't fall that far in absolute terms, the county and state would be losing out on growth it could have reasonably expected before it enacted policies that encouraged people to move elsewhere. It use to be that VA and Md would have roughly equal shares of the areas wealth. If MD becomes the decided second choice it will lag where it would have otherwise been with more evenhanded policies. Inflation will also eat away at even stable values, and corresponding tax receipts, never mind values that are falling, but not too far.

No, Bethesda won't be 2008 Detroit where you can't give homes away, but it may be a lot worse off than it was or could be.

Oh good grief! Where do you people come from? Please have some perspective. Go and have a drink and relax. Seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids with autism that are main streamed into my kids class cause my kid more problems that the Farms kids do.
So unless they dont allow SN kids in Howard and Frederick you are moving for nothing.

Mwhete is your child that there are that many kids with autism in your DC’s classes. Even at Tilden, it’s likely only 6 kids in one class and most aren’t behavioral issues for anyone, but themselves.

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So this whole thread is about people freaking out about MCPS conducting a study to see if we could optimize the present boundaries. And already people are thinking about moving. So dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids with autism that are main streamed into my kids class cause my kid more problems that the Farms kids do.
So unless they dont allow SN kids in Howard and Frederick you are moving for nothing.

My autistic child is in magnet and very happy to be away from children like yours who bring the entire student body down a level.

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Anonymous wrote:You people just love white people

I don’t think it’s that at all. Look at some of the top performing schools and they aren’t all white. They have a high percentage of Asian and Indian kids.
Saying you just love rich and high scoring is more accurate.

No school in MCPS has high percentage of Indian kids. Indian concentration is in VA.

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Anonymous wrote:You people just love white people

I don’t think it’s that at all. Look at some of the top performing schools and they aren’t all white. They have a high percentage of Asian and Indian kids.
Saying you just love rich and high scoring is more accurate.

No school in MCPS has high percentage of Indian kids. Indian concentration is in VA.

Um, you're wrong. Have you been to Clarksburg lately?