FCPS Ready to Screw Poorer/GenEd Kids Again

[Anonymous]

I'm an OES parent impacted by this rezoning, the social issues on this thread just boggle my mind, although I can see both sides. I'm curious how the proposed new Oakton/Fairfax Elementary School may impact the OES boundaries and possibly middle school ones too. Maybe this move from Jackson to Thoreau is just a temporary fix until this new elementary school is built.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What excuse did people have in 2011? Gee I wonder what will happen if I move these huge well established single family neighborhoods out of a suffering district?

Most of the arguments were similar, e.g., "it's condescending to think AHS/PMS won't be just as great with lower-income populations." What they didn't have were years of data to show exactly what then happened to Annandale and Poe (major spikes in ESOL/FARMS percentages and much larger than projected declines in enrollment).

[Anonymous]

How would that school impact Jackson and Falls Church? FCPS realizes there is an issue at Annandale and haven't done anything. I doubt they will go back once the decision has been made.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What excuse did people have in 2011? Gee I wonder what will happen if I move these huge well established single family neighborhoods out of a suffering district?

Most of the arguments were similar, e.g., "it's condescending to think AHS/PMS won't be just as great with lower-income populations." What they didn't have were years of data to show exactly what then happened to Annandale and Poe (major spikes in ESOL/FARMS percentages and much larger than projected declines in enrollment).

And a One Fairfax policy which now outlines how to improve Fairfax County going forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What excuse did people have in 2011? Gee I wonder what will happen if I move these huge well established single family neighborhoods out of a suffering district?

Most of the arguments were similar, e.g., "it's condescending to think AHS/PMS won't be just as great with lower-income populations." What they didn't have were years of data to show exactly what then happened to Annandale and Poe (major spikes in ESOL/FARMS percentages and much larger than projected declines in enrollment).

It doesn't seem like Hayfield changed much when South County opened, though.

[Anonymous]

Hayfield has a great school rating of 4 and 30% FARM rate. Jackson and Falls Church already have higher FARMS rate. What is your point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How would that school impact Jackson and Falls Church? FCPS realizes there is an issue at Annandale and haven't done anything. I doubt they will go back once the decision has been made.

It's relevant to Jackson/Falls Church for at least two reasons:

1) Part of the solution to overcrowding at Jackson could be to move students at Poe, which shares a boundary with Jackson. Doing so could relieve overcrowding at Jackson and reduce the poverty rates at Poe, since the neighborhoods that could be considered have higher-than-average FARMS rates for Jackson and lower-than-average FARMS rates for Poe

2) The Annandale/Poe experience illustrates what happens when you make incremental boundary changes at schools like Jackson that already have high ESOL/FARMS rates. It's viewed as a sign of benign neglect by FCPS, and you end up with more poverty at schools with lower than expected enrollments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What excuse did people have in 2011? Gee I wonder what will happen if I move these huge well established single family neighborhoods out of a suffering district?

Most of the arguments were similar, e.g., "it's condescending to think AHS/PMS won't be just as great with lower-income populations." What they didn't have were years of data to show exactly what then happened to Annandale and Poe (major spikes in ESOL/FARMS percentages and much larger than projected declines in enrollment).

It doesn't seem like Hayfield changed much when South County opened, though.

You are wrong. They adjusted the Hayfield/South County boundaries several times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hayfield has a great school rating of 4 and 30% FARM rate. Jackson and Falls Church already have higher FARMS rate. What is your point?

It's only a 4 now b/c they re-jiggered how they do the GS ratings. It was never a 4 prior to this re-jiggering. It was a 5 and sometimes a 6 in the past.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would that school impact Jackson and Falls Church? FCPS realizes there is an issue at Annandale and haven't done anything. I doubt they will go back once the decision has been made.

It's relevant to Jackson/Falls Church for at least two reasons:

1) Part of the solution to overcrowding at Jackson could be to move students at Poe, which shares a boundary with Jackson. Doing so could relieve overcrowding at Jackson and reduce the poverty rates at Poe, since the neighborhoods that could be considered have higher-than-average FARMS rates for Jackson and lower-than-average FARMS rates for Poe

2) The Annandale/Poe experience illustrates what happens when you make incremental boundary changes at schools like Jackson that already have high ESOL/FARMS rates. It's viewed as a sign of benign neglect by FCPS, and you end up with more poverty at schools with lower than expected enrollments.

What does this have to do with an elementary school in north Oakton?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How would that school impact Jackson and Falls Church? FCPS realizes there is an issue at Annandale and haven't done anything. I doubt they will go back once the decision has been made.

It's relevant to Jackson/Falls Church for at least two reasons:

1) Part of the solution to overcrowding at Jackson could be to move students at Poe, which shares a boundary with Jackson. Doing so could relieve overcrowding at Jackson and reduce the poverty rates at Poe, since the neighborhoods that could be considered have higher-than-average FARMS rates for Jackson and lower-than-average FARMS rates for Poe

2) The Annandale/Poe experience illustrates what happens when you make incremental boundary changes at schools like Jackson that already have high ESOL/FARMS rates. It's viewed as a sign of benign neglect by FCPS, and you end up with more poverty at schools with lower than expected enrollments.

What does this have to do with an elementary school in north Oakton?

See 9:41 for the Oakton/Fairfax school reference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hayfield has a great school rating of 4 and 30% FARM rate. Jackson and Falls Church already have higher FARMS rate. What is your point?

My point was that Hayfield's performance wasn't any better before South County opened and the nicer neighborhoods in that area moved there. Why was Hayfield able to maintain its performance?

[Anonymous]

the nicer neighborhoods in that area moved there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the nicer neighborhoods in that area moved there?

Yes, Barrington and Crosspointe moved to South County. From outward appearances, Hayfield's performance remained the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the nicer neighborhoods in that area moved there?

Higher end areas were moved out of Hayfield and into South County. Leaving the crappy parts of Lorton still in Hayfield even though they are much closer to the physical building that is South County HS. The pyramid boundaries look like one of those gerrymandered GOP districts.