I'd like to tell Sheryl Sandberg to STFU.

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She is much more interesed in furthering her own political aspirations than Zuckerberg's. That's why she has been building her brand.

I thought her initial TED talk on being a workimg women quite good. Turning it into a book didn't work as well, but it did get her name out.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we need more Sheryl Sandbergs in this world, from all backgrounds. And we all need to look for them and lift them up. What is the point in tearing her down if she's sharing her truth? If it doesn't resonate with you, change the channel or pick up another book.

I don't think we need more Sheryl Sandbergs. Do we want young women to seek out their "daddy/mentor", like she did. Decrepit old Larry Summers, president of Harvard couldn't resist helping this bright young thing, a Harvard student, mentoring her out of the goodness of his heart. If Sheryl clawed her way up without Lar Bear, I would respect her. She's a fraud and she will damage FB before it's over.

What are you talking about? She was a summa cum laude Harvard graduate, a Harvard MBA, and in addition to the time she spent working with Larry Summers at Treasury, she was a senior manager at Google before going to Facebook. For someone to attribute her success to a "daddy/mentor" is sad.

No She met Lar Bear at Harvard, he was her professor and her took her under his wing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think we need more Sheryl Sandbergs in this world, from all backgrounds. And we all need to look for them and lift them up. What is the point in tearing her down if she's sharing her truth? If it doesn't resonate with you, change the channel or pick up another book.

I don't think we need more Sheryl Sandbergs. Do we want young women to seek out their "daddy/mentor", like she did. Decrepit old Larry Summers, president of Harvard couldn't resist helping this bright young thing, a Harvard student, mentoring her out of the goodness of his heart. If Sheryl clawed her way up without Lar Bear, I would respect her. She's a fraud and she will damage FB before it's over.

What are you talking about? She was a summa cum laude Harvard graduate, a Harvard MBA, and in addition to the time she spent working with Larry Summers at Treasury, she was a senior manager at Google before going to Facebook. For someone to attribute her success to a "daddy/mentor" is sad.

No She met Lar Bear at Harvard, he was her professor and her took her under his wing.

You have a crazy grudge against this woman. Do you know her personally?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think we need more Sheryl Sandbergs in this world, from all backgrounds. And we all need to look for them and lift them up. What is the point in tearing her down if she's sharing her truth? If it doesn't resonate with you, change the channel or pick up another book.

I don't think we need more Sheryl Sandbergs. Do we want young women to seek out their "daddy/mentor", like she did. Decrepit old Larry Summers, president of Harvard couldn't resist helping this bright young thing, a Harvard student, mentoring her out of the goodness of his heart. If Sheryl clawed her way up without Lar Bear, I would respect her. She's a fraud and she will damage FB before it's over.

What are you talking about? She was a summa cum laude Harvard graduate, a Harvard MBA, and in addition to the time she spent working with Larry Summers at Treasury, she was a senior manager at Google before going to Facebook. For someone to attribute her success to a "daddy/mentor" is sad.

No She met Lar Bear at Harvard, he was her professor and her took her under his wing.

You have a crazy grudge against this woman. Do you know her personally?

+1 Having a mentor doesn't get you summa cum laude status at Harvard (I'll wait for the crazy grudge poster to argue that Larry Summers paid off each Harvard professor so she would get a 3.9 GPA) nor does it get you a senior position at Google.

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Anonymous wrote:This bothers me a bit. There are only so many hours in a day. Losing a parent as a child changes the course of your life. Btdt. I just don't see how she can be there for her kids as they deal with their grief, while still "leaning in", working, writing books, and dating. That's the part that makes me question her perspective.

I'm with you. Her first book didn't bother me the way this one does - maybe because this time around the book feels like "capitalizing on the tragedy" in almost narcissistic sense... It's been less than 2 years and she really has all that "free time" to first write and now promote this book on every channel and news outlet? If she just wanted to "share" with others in the similar situation why not use her own platform i.e. post on Facebook?
And, the whole dating thing... trying not to judge but well, just hope her kids are doing ok.

+1

+2. I watched the CBS Sunday Morning segment with her. I wanted to like her and thought I might feel differently about her after hearing her talk about her grief and what she went through, but instead it bothered me more than the Lean In stuff for the reasons stated above.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think we need more Sheryl Sandbergs in this world, from all backgrounds. And we all need to look for them and lift them up. What is the point in tearing her down if she's sharing her truth? If it doesn't resonate with you, change the channel or pick up another book.

Yes.
This post is part of the reason women haven't risen to the top in the workplace. Everyone wants to cut down and poke holes in an aspiring lifting message from one of the most successful women in Corporate America (through her own hard work- not through marriage or working for Dad). This board is one excuse after another about what's holding women back from success or tearing down Sandberg's success. We have enough to overcome from men, so shouldn't women pull together even more? How about just looking at some of the VERY valid points in the book to help yourself like:
- pick and marry a good life partner (if you don't everything can fall apart. true)
- Don't leave before you leave. I've seen too many women mentally check out or start planning for part-time, while they are pregnant or even just thinking about starting a family. You haven't even had the kid yet. Who knows yet if you really want to stop working.
- attach yourself and become indispensable to bosses above you. When you are their go-to person, they will pull you up with them.

Meanwhile, men pull each other up, look out for each other, overlook the negative, give each other breaks and second chances.
Many women, like me, who work in upper management, know we have to work almost twice as hard as men to overcome all the male... and female bullshit.
I wonder how much further we could go, if women truly supported and cheered for each other the way men do.

+1000. It makes me so sad, whether it is a successful well known woman, or just the usual crapping on working moms or stay at home moms, DCUM is all about putting women down. If a successful woman like Sandberg has a message, it is shot down because it doesn't resonate with everyone, perfectly, in every stage of their life, and she can't possibly relate to the average woman, even though, for many years she WAS the average woman who achieved a great deal of success...which is the damn point of her book.

ITA. I was a SAHM when I read her book, and I didn't feel threatened or pissed. Now, I'm working in a small office of women and I'm the one constantly reminding them (gently) that our women clients, vendors, friends aren't the enemies. It makes me sad. I'm not perfect, nor are my friends, and it's okay. We don't have to take everything so personally.

I totally agree. This thread makes me sad. I remember when her husband died and reading things both here and in other places online where people were positively gleeful. It was gross.

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Notice how no men ever start a thread to bash Jeff Immelt when he releases a book. Women shouldn't be so defensive and insecure that they feel the need to take down a successful woman.

This misses the point. Meg Whitman wrote a book, and no one is complaining about her. It's because she wrote a book about what she thinks is the secret to her success without professing to be starting a "movement" and admonishing women for not have made the same decisions she made. If you're going to proactively tell people you know what they need to be doing and profess to be their champion, then you're going to open yourself up to criticism.

If she just wrote a book about her career and included some reflections on which choices she made were helpful to it, no one would be upset.

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Anonymous wrote:As a man, I found the book helpful to realizing some of my own blind spots with respect to female colleagues and also to making sure that I am a "real partner" to my wife and share the household duties 50/50. These aren't revolutionary concepts, and no she isn't exactly breaking new ground. But I thought the book did a good job of highlighting some of the imbalances a lot of well-intentioned men are sometimes oblivious to. It was something that helped me learn and grow.

I honestly didn't find the book preachy or grating like so many of you obviously did. I don't think she ever said anything like "success is easy if you just do 1, 2, and 3. I interpreted her message more as "These are some obstacles that ambitious, driven women are facing in today's workplace. Here are some strategies/devices to deal with them."

Did the book solve all of women's problems? No. Was it a useful contribution? Yes.

It is so easy to criticize and condemn. It's much harder to do something constructive.

Cool story bro

Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Notice how no men ever start a thread to bash Jeff Immelt when he releases a book. Women shouldn't be so defensive and insecure that they feel the need to take down a successful woman.

This misses the point. Meg Whitman wrote a book, and no one is complaining about her. It's because she wrote a book about what she thinks is the secret to her success without professing to be starting a "movement" and admonishing women for not have made the same decisions she made. If you're going to proactively tell people you know what they need to be doing and profess to be their champion, then you're going to open yourself up to criticism.

If she just wrote a book about her career and included some reflections on which choices she made were helpful to it, no one would be upset.

Exactly right. Sheryl offers her recipe for female success for $14.99 per book and the recipe is - be born wealthy, be born white, be born pretty, go to Harvard, attract a powerful older male mentor, lean in when doors get opened for you, etc. It's such bullshit.

[Anonymous]

It's a family recipe, btw.

http://www.azquotes.com/quote/258082

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Anonymous wrote:It's a family recipe, btw.

http://www.azquotes.com/quote/258082

And she did... marry young but also divorced young, her dead husband was her 2nd husband.

But she did marry well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think we need more Sheryl Sandbergs in this world, from all backgrounds. And we all need to look for them and lift them up. What is the point in tearing her down if she's sharing her truth? If it doesn't resonate with you, change the channel or pick up another book.

I don't think we need more Sheryl Sandbergs. Do we want young women to seek out their "daddy/mentor", like she did. Decrepit old Larry Summers, president of Harvard couldn't resist helping this bright young thing, a Harvard student, mentoring her out of the goodness of his heart. If Sheryl clawed her way up without Lar Bear, I would respect her. She's a fraud and she will damage FB before it's over.

What are you talking about? She was a summa cum laude Harvard graduate, a Harvard MBA, and in addition to the time she spent working with Larry Summers at Treasury, she was a senior manager at Google before going to Facebook. For someone to attribute her success to a "daddy/mentor" is sad.

No She met Lar Bear at Harvard, he was her professor and her took her under his wing.

You have a crazy grudge against this woman. Do you know her personally?

+1 Having a mentor doesn't get you summa cum laude status at Harvard (I'll wait for the crazy grudge poster to argue that Larry Summers paid off each Harvard professor so she would get a 3.9 GPA) nor does it get you a senior position at Google.

Of course he didn't help her get good grades. She is clearly capable though there are many people like that who accomplished nowhere close to her success. Summers helped her a lot when she was young - he helped her get internships, surely wrote ref letters for business school then got her a job st treasury. At that point she didn't need any more help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Notice how no men ever start a thread to bash Jeff Immelt when he releases a book. Women shouldn't be so defensive and insecure that they feel the need to take down a successful woman.

This misses the point. Meg Whitman wrote a book, and no one is complaining about her. It's because she wrote a book about what she thinks is the secret to her success without professing to be starting a "movement" and admonishing women for not have made the same decisions she made. If you're going to proactively tell people you know what they need to be doing and profess to be their champion, then you're going to open yourself up to criticism.

If she just wrote a book about her career and included some reflections on which choices she made were helpful to it, no one would be upset.

Exactly right. Sheryl offers her recipe for female success for $14.99 per book and the recipe is - be born wealthy, be born white, be born pretty, go to Harvard, attract a powerful older male mentor, lean in when doors get opened for you, etc. It's such bullshit.

She is not pretty. she looks decent enough but had little to work with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think we need more Sheryl Sandbergs in this world, from all backgrounds. And we all need to look for them and lift them up. What is the point in tearing her down if she's sharing her truth? If it doesn't resonate with you, change the channel or pick up another book.

Yes.
This post is part of the reason women haven't risen to the top in the workplace. Everyone wants to cut down and poke holes in an aspiring lifting message from one of the most successful women in Corporate America (through her own hard work- not through marriage or working for Dad). This board is one excuse after another about what's holding women back from success or tearing down Sandberg's success. We have enough to overcome from men, so shouldn't women pull together even more? How about just looking at some of the VERY valid points in the book to help yourself like:
- pick and marry a good life partner (if you don't everything can fall apart. true)
- Don't leave before you leave. I've seen too many women mentally check out or start planning for part-time, while they are pregnant or even just thinking about starting a family. You haven't even had the kid yet. Who knows yet if you really want to stop working.
- attach yourself and become indispensable to bosses above you. When you are their go-to person, they will pull you up with them.

Meanwhile, men pull each other up, look out for each other, overlook the negative, give each other breaks and second chances.
Many women, like me, who work in upper management, know we have to work almost twice as hard as men to overcome all the male... and female bullshit.
I wonder how much further we could go, if women truly supported and cheered for each other the way men do.

+1000. It makes me so sad, whether it is a successful well known woman, or just the usual crapping on working moms or stay at home moms, DCUM is all about putting women down. If a successful woman like Sandberg has a message, it is shot down because it doesn't resonate with everyone, perfectly, in every stage of their life, and she can't possibly relate to the average woman, even though, for many years she WAS the average woman who achieved a great deal of success...which is the damn point of her book.

ITA. I was a SAHM when I read her book, and I didn't feel threatened or pissed. Now, I'm working in a small office of women and I'm the one constantly reminding them (gently) that our women clients, vendors, friends aren't the enemies. It makes me sad. I'm not perfect, nor are my friends, and it's okay. We don't have to take everything so personally.

I totally agree. This thread makes me sad. I remember when her husband died and reading things both here and in other places online where people were positively gleeful. It was gross.

Yes. When men are out there doing Ted talks on success and how to get ahead, do we psychoanalyze how they got ahead, who helped them, what their home life situation is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting. Notice how no men ever start a thread to bash Jeff Immelt when he releases a book. Women shouldn't be so defensive and insecure that they feel the need to take down a successful woman.

This misses the point. Meg Whitman wrote a book, and no one is complaining about her. It's because she wrote a book about what she thinks is the secret to her success without professing to be starting a "movement" and admonishing women for not have made the same decisions she made. If you're going to proactively tell people you know what they need to be doing and profess to be their champion, then you're going to open yourself up to criticism.

If she just wrote a book about her career and included some reflections on which choices she made were helpful to it, no one would be upset.

Exactly right. Sheryl offers her recipe for female success for $14.99 per book and the recipe is - be born wealthy, be born white, be born pretty, go to Harvard, attract a powerful older male mentor, lean in when doors get opened for you, etc. It's such bullshit.

She is not pretty. she looks decent enough but had little to work with.